Time Warp HOF Ballot 1975

jdw · 08-11-2007, 11:54 PM

This is the annual Time Warp Baseball League Hall of Fame thread.

Among the players new to this year's ballot are:

(a) The third baseman off the Centennial Team, generally acknowledged as the greatest third baseman in league history.

(b) the shortstop off the All Decade Team for the 1960s.

(c) the greatest defensive shortstop in league history, winner of a record 12 Gold Gloves at the position. The 12 also tied the record for most at any position, jointly held with the legendary second baseman Woody Woodson.

(d) the heart and soul of the great Pirates dynasty Asa Booker, who the BWAA gave a special exemption to appear on the ballot following his tragic death in April 1974.

Have at it.

John

jdw · 08-11-2007, 11:54 PM

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results, 1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results, 1956 Results, 1957 Results, 1958 Results, 1959 Results, 1960 Results (lost in board crash), 1961 Results, 1962 Results, 1963 Results, 1964 Results, 1965 Results, 1966 Results, 1967 Results, 1968 Results, 1969 Results, 1970 Results, 1971 Results, 1972 Results, 1973 Results, 1974 Results

All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1975 (retired after 1969 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

PLEASE NOTE:
Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII

Notes:

OPS+ and ERA+ are listed for all players now. 100 is considered league average. The higher the # the better the player. This lets you see how they did in relation to the players of their generation while also letting you compare their dominance of the league to players from different eras.

All Pros are for the Post War era only (1946-). There are traditionally voted on by a poll of the league's GM's and regular participants (1946-48, 1950-62, 1969-) or by the Sporting News (1949, 1963-68, All Decade & Centenial Teams). The year end teams are named for each league and feature one player for each field position along with 4-5 starting pitchers (depending on the rotation size of the era) and one relief pitcher.

jdw · 08-11-2007, 11:55 PM

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

189 - Woody Woodson
186 - Ray Kress
166 - Dark Horse Allen
163 - Jason Tedford
159 - Whitey Kohse
158 - Oscar Vancini
156 - Charlton Brown
152 - Jed Burke
152 - Patrick Seifried
152 - Arnie Stewart
149 - Genaro Nunez
148 - Whiskey Allen
148 - Ken Chaucer
147 - Lonny Arrendale
146 - Peaches Badeau
145 - Blake Crocitto
145 - Paul Lett
142 - Hershel Lee
141 - Ben Baum
141 - Tee Carver
141 - Ogden Wing
140 - Bud Breckenridge
140 - John Falise
140 - Ray Brown
140 - Scott Podlasek
140 - Dale Lamberty
140 - Bobby Martin
139 - Dewey Mickelsen
139 - Tom Howard
138 - Tyrell Chestnut
138 - Wolter Tjeenk-Willink
138 - John Degal
138 - Rudel Dietrich
137 - Kid Fite
137 - Will Miller
137 - Steven Bussell
137 - Ted McMurray
136 - Harry Cohan
136 - Jared Jarry
135 - John Klehammer
135 - Jimmy Ditty
134 - Carl Kahle
133 - Slap Hertzog
133 - Flaky Arsenault
133 - Roy Hobbs
133 - Dave Arkless
133 - Matt Perly
133 - Mark Silcox
132 - Adolf Greisbach
132 - John Schmieder
132 - Cookie Parrish
131 - Chuck Rauch
131 - Nick Graves
131 - Hans Habermehl
131 - William Perry
130 - Sunny Davie
129 - Tom Turley
129 - George Ward
129 - Ping Hung
129 - Herman Dunkel
129 - Moonlight Graham
128 - Morris Lutske
127 - Campbell Ditty
127 - Troy Kinnear
127 - Mike Fellner
126 - Bull Zegri
125 - Herm Vardaman
125 - Mike Kreitenberg
124 - Levi Walls
123 - Dale Reneau
123 - Alan Liao
122 - Sam Kass
122 - Sal Rossi
121 - Quenton Misisca
120 - Ervin Skjerly
118 - Gus Kahle
114 - Jonny Perly
114 - Jon Minzey
110 - David McAuliffe
110 - Ted Stuart
102 - Harry Finley

jdw · 08-11-2007, 11:56 PM

Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .364
Hits: 4000
HR: 585
RBI: 1906
2B: 665
BB: 1962
R: 2004
SB: 1297

Luther Ormiston, 3B, Last Season: 1956
1309 H, 262 2B, 281 HR, 1039 RBI, 888 R
614 K, 886 BB, 27 SB
.273 AVG, .385 OBP, .524 SLG, .909 OPS
OPS+: 150
BOY Award: 1948, 1952
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1947, 1949, 1950, 1952, 1953, 1954
Pennants: 1948, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955
WS Victories: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, HR 2, RBI 4
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1976

Bud Ayers, 3B, Last Season: 1959
2347 H, 393 2B, 261 HR, 1313 RBI, 1124 R
438 K, 811 BB, 3 SB
.290 AVG, .355 OBP, .443 SLG, .798 OPS
WWII - 1 Yr
OPS+: 121
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
All Pros: NONE
Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958
WS Victories: 1951, 1958
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1979

Bobby Johnson, 1B, Last Season: 1960
1932 H, 380 2B, 363 HR, 1348 RBI, 989 R
861 K, 527 BB, 12 SB
.286 AVG, .338 OBP, .511 SLG, .849 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 133
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
All Pros: 1948, 1951
Pennants: 1946, 1948, 1955
WS Victories: 1946
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 2, HR 1, RBI 2
Career Top 25: HR (11)
Final Year on Ballot: 1980

Ben Cook, 3B/CF, Last Season: 1961
1722 H, 175 2B, 129 HR, 665 RBI, 1254 R
476 K, 1391 BB, 575 SB
.260 AVG, .389 OBP, .371 SLG, .760 OPS
OPS+: 114
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1955, 1956, 1957
Pennants: 1950, 1953, 1954, 1957, 1959
WS Victories: 1950, 1957, 1959
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Runs 2, SB 7, BB 5
Career Top 25: SB (19), BB (20)
Final Year on Ballot: 1981

Wilford Woodworth, 3B, Last Season: 1965
1663 H, 305 2B, 408 HR, 1278 RBI, 1141 R
1286 K, 1051 BB, 57 SB
.244 AVG, .350 OBP, .483 SLG, .833 OPS
OPS+: 128
BOY Award: 1955
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1954, 1955
Pennants: 1956, 1959
WS Victories: 1956
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: HR 1, SLG 1, TB 1
Career Top 25: HR (6)
Final Year on Ballot: 1985

"Grumpy" Abraham Noel, 1B, Last Season: 1966
2799 H, 331 2B, 253 HR, 1346 RBI, 1248 R
1436 K, 1132 BB, 3 SB
.294 AVG, .371 OBP, .416 SLG, .787 OPS
OPS+: 122
BOY Award: 1959
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
All Pros: 1959, 1960
Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962
WS Victories: 1961, 1962
Batting Titles: 1959
Led League in: BA 1, OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, TB 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

Walter Davis, LF, Last Season: 1966
2208 H, 332 2B, 197 HR, 960 RBI, 1274 R
948 K, 1400 BB, 36 SB
.266 AVG, .374 OBP, .390 SLG, .764 OPS
OPS+: 115
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1957
Pennants: 1957, 1959
WS Victories: 1957, 1959
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 1, BB 1
Career Top 25: BB (21)
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

Roger Joyce, SS, Last Season: 1967
2394 H, 341 2B, 109 HR, 837 RBI, 1128 R
746 K, 685 BB
.312 AVG, .370 OBP, .416 SLG, .785 OPS
OPS+: 122
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1963
Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1966
WS Victories: 1961, 1962
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: R 1, H 3
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1988

Alan Liao Jr., 2B, Last Season: 1968
1929 H, 320 2B, 65 HR, 677 RBI, 896 R
881 K, 733 BB
.321 AVG, .396 OBP, .429 SLG, .826 OPS
OPS+: 134
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1958, 1959, 1960 (SS), 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964
Pennants: 1964, 1965
WS Victories: 1964
Batting Titles: 1958, 1960, 1961
Led League in: BA 3, OBP 1, H 1, 2B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1988

NEW

Wendell Aldwin, RF, Last Season: 1969
1472 H, 221 2B, 304 HR, 1057 RBI, 893 R
1202 K, 626 BB
.249 AVG, .321 OBP, .458 SLG, .779 OPS
OPS+: 124
BOY Award: 1963
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1963
Pennants: 1963
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: HR 2, RBI 1, SLG 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

Lucien "Lulu" Arbour, LF, Last Season: 1969
2018 H, 315 2B, 214 HR, 1015 RBI, 1123 R
911 K, 538 BB, 443 SB
.305 AVG, .357 OBP, .482 SLG, .839 OPS
OPS+: 137
BOY Award: 1965
ROY Award: 1957
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1965
Pennants: 1965, 1967
WS Victories: 1965
Batting Titles: 1965
Led League in: BA 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, 2B 2, 3B 2,, SB 2
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

"Cannonball" Asa Booker, RF, Last Season: 1973
3048 H, 469 2B, 291 HR, 1465 RBI, 1567 R
774 K, 1107 BB, 735 SB
.304 AVG, .353 OBP, .481 SLG, .834 OPS
OPS+: 141
BOY Award: 1962, 1967, 1968
ROY Award: 1957
Gold Gloves: 1958 (CF), 1962, 1963, 1964, 1970
All Pros: 1962, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1960s All Decade Team
Division: 1969, 1970, 1971, 1973
Pennants: 1966, 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1973
WS Victories: 1966,1967,1973
Batting Titles: 1967, 1968
Led League in: BA 2, SLG 1, OPS 2, R 1, H 2, 3B 7, SB 5
Career Top 25: Hits (22), SB (9)
Final Year on Ballot: 1993

"The Mad Bohemian" Christopher Kobeck, 3B, Last Season: 1969
1564 H, 274 2B, 304 HR, 1106 RBI, 849 R
738 K, 660 BB
.242 AVG, .313 OBP, .432 SLG, .745 OPS
OPS+: 110
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1963, 1964
All Pros: 1958
Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962
WS Victories: 1961. 1962
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: HR 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

Dave Lemmings, 3B, Last Season: 1969
2774 H, 346 2B, 416 HR, 1500 RBI, 1736 R
937 K, 1501 BB
.294 AVG, .392 OBP, .479 SLG, .872 OPS
OPS+: 146
BOY Award: 1966
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1955, 1956
All Pros: 1955, 1956, 1957, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1950s All Decade Team, 1960s All Decade Team, Centenial Team
Pennants: 1965, 1967
WS Victories: 1965
Batting Titles: 1955, 1966
Led League in: BA 2, OBP 1, OPS 1, HR 1, RBI 2, R 4
Career Top 25: HR (9), RBI (25), R (8), BB (14)
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

Larry Long, 3B, Last Season: 1968
1335 H, 193 2B, 309 HR, 953 RBI, 824 R
893 K, 397 BB
.264 AVG, .317 OBP, .518 SLG, .834 OPS
OPS+: 134
BOY Award: 1960
ROY Award: 1959
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1961
Pennants: 1962, 1963, 1964
WS Victories: 1963
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, HR 2, RBI 1, 3B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

Sam "Smacker" O'Hara, LF, Last Season: 1969
1722 H, 356 2B, 260 HR, 1040 RBI, 870 R
1052 K, 410 BB
.277 AVG, .324 OBP, .472 SLG, .796 OPS
OPS+: 124
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: NONE
Pennants: 1969
WS Victories: 1969
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: RBI 1, 2B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

"Pretty Boy" Pete Pugliese, RF, Last Season: 1969
1872 H, 316 2B, 245 HR, 1081 RBI, 1073 R
1070 K, 1081 BB
.277 AVG, .371 OBP, .454 SLG, .826 OPS
OPS+: 133
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1959, 1964
Divisions: 1969
Pennants: 1960, 1968
WS Victories: 1960, 1968
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

John Surette, 1B, Last Season: 1968
1766 H, 173 2B, 197 HR, 831 RBI, 818 R
667 K, 457 BB
.292 AVG, .347 OBP, .434 SLG, .781 OPS
OPS+: 134
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1962 (3B)
All Pros: 1961
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 1961
Led League in: BA 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

Dennis Ward, SS, Last Season: 1969
2403 H, 355 2B, 173HR, 1018 RBI, 1185 R
1494 K, 932 BB
.265 AVG, .333 OBP, .379 SLG, .712 OPS
OPS+: 104
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967. 1968
All Pros: 1955
Pennants: 1957, 1959, 1963
WS Victories: 1957, 1959
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

Kenneth Whitt, SS, Last Season: 1969
2873 H, 382 2B, 86 HR, 861 RBI, 1360 R
1279 K, 939 BB
.317 AVG, .383 OBP, .405 SLG, .789 OPS
OPS+: 124
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1956, 1959
All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1964, 1966, 1960s All Decade Team
Pennants: 1960
WS Victories: 1960
Batting Titles: 1956, 1959
Led League in: BA 2, OBP 1, H 4, 3B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

Doug "The Count" Williams, 2B/SS, Last Season: 1969
1776 H, 303 2B, 170 HR, 893 RBI, 837 R
919 K, 547 BB
.275 AVG, .337 OBP, .414 SLG, .751 OPS
OPS+: 114
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1958, 1961, 1962
All Pros: 1962
Pennants: 1957, 1959, 1964, 1965
WS Victories: 1957, 1959, 1964
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

Boris "The Dancing Bear" Zimyanin, 3B, Last Season: 1969
2169 H, 313 2B, 235 HR, 1098 RBI, 1018 R
900 K, 711 BB
.295 AVG, .358 OBP, .440 SLG, .799 OPS
OPS+: 125
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1960
All Pros: NONE
Pennants: 1963
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

jdw · 08-11-2007, 11:57 PM

Pitchers
Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 446
K: 4028
CG: 601
SHO: 95

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

210 - Andrew Murphy
163 - Frank Smith
162 - Tim Lopresto
161 - Raymond Gindler
158 - Allen Albertini
157 - Jethro Lee
157 - Cecil Tan
150 - Randy Liebermann
145 - Punchy Cote
145 - Howard Adams
145 - Bourbon Allen Jr.
144 - Johnny Cakes Sutton
142 - Cotton Simson
138 - Dave McBean
138 - Martin Gwaltney
137 - Mark Krosser
137 - Johnny Swinson
137 - Carpenter Erickson
137 - Joe Helton
136 - Bowie Castellon
135 - Ken Zinn
134 - Otto Kahle
134 - Scott Fenner
133 - Jassen Nelson
131 - Remmy Paul
131 - Luke Riley
131 - Tobe Palmer
129 - David Wiskersham
125 - Adam Sardina
125 - Grady Ingram
124 - Bourbon Allen
124 - Art Booth
121 - Ahrend Nagel
120 - Terry Schukraft
116 - John Nolting
116 - Hal Andrew
115 - Mark Ponfick

jdw · 08-11-2007, 11:58 PM

Corky Stell, Last Season: 1956
163-108, 60.2%, 3.30 ERA
2409 IP, 820 BB, 986 K, 30 CG, 8 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
ERA+: 131
POY Award: 1949, 1952, 1953
ROY Award: NONE
All Pros: 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953
Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955
World Championships: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955
WS Record: 2-2, 5.04 ERA
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 3. WHIP 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1977

Bud Ulrich, Last Season: 1962, HOF Standard: 35
210-125, 62.7%, 3.88 ERA
3274.2 IP, 1411 BB, 2085 K, 73 CG, 16 SHO, 1.34 WHIP
ERA+: 108
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1949
All Pros: 1952, 1955
Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959
World Championships: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959
WS Record: 4-1, 4.77 ERA
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1983

Lex Tjeenk-Willink, Last Season: 1964, HOF Standard: 46
245-170, 59.0%, 3.79 ERA
3877 IP, 1287 BB, 3069 K, 121 CG, 19 SHO, 1.19 WHIP
ERA+: 112
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
All Pros: 1957
Pennants: NONE
World Championships: NONE
WS Record: N/A
No-Hitters: 2
Led League in: Wins 1
Career Top 25: K's (10)
Final Year on Ballot: 1985

Hank Makris, Last Season: 1964
214-173, 55.3%, 3.48 ERA
3634.0 IP, 1092 BB, 1563 K, 166 CG, 32 SHO, 1.28 WHIP
ERA+: 124
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: 1953, 1958, 1961, 1963
WS MVP: 1957, 1959
All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1960
Pennants: 1957, 1959
World Championships: 1957, 1959
WS Record: 4-0, 0.82 ERA
No-Hitters: 2
Led League in: SHO 2,
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

Cal Granger, Last Season: 1968
100-104, 49.0%, 3.53 ERA
1426.3 IP, 421 BB, 609 K, 390 SV
ERA+: N/A
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
WS MVP: NONE
All Pros: 1952, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1962, 1964; 1950s All Decade Team
Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958, 1963
World Championships: 1951, 1958
WS Record: 0-1, 3.49 ERA, 4 SV
Led League in: SV 6, G 1
Career Top 25: SV (1), Appearances (1), Relief Innings (1)
Final Year on Ballot: 1988

NEW

Chris Delp, Last Season: 1969
93-76, 55.0%, 3.29 ERA
991.0 IP, 502 BB, 934 K, 312 SV
ERA+: N/A
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
WS MVP: NONE
All Pros: 1959
Pennants: 1957, 1959, 1965, 1967
World Championships: 1957, 1959, 1965,
WS Record: 0-1, 5.14 ERA, 5 SV
Led League in: SV 2, G 2
Career Top 25: SV (3), Appearances (4), Relief Innings (5)
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

jdw · 08-12-2007, 12:00 AM

Asa Booker
Ben Cook
Cal Granger
Dave Lemmings
Alan Liao Jr.
Luther Ormiston
Corky Stell
Dennis Ward
Kenneth Whitt
Wilford Woodworth

John

knightni · 08-12-2007, 12:16 AM

Bud Ayers
"Cannonball" Asa Booker
Chris Delp
Dave Lemmings
"Grumpy" Abraham Noel
Bud Ulrich
Dennis Ward
Kenneth Whitt
Lex Tjeenk-Willink
Wilford Woodworth

tward13 · 08-12-2007, 12:26 AM

Ormiston
Tjeenk-Willink
Joyce
Liao
Stell
Makris
Booker
Lemmings
Ward
Whitt

BadluckinOOTP · 08-12-2007, 12:44 AM

Cook
Noel
Joyce
Booker
Lemmings
Ward
Whitt

jdw · 08-12-2007, 12:59 AM

From one of the GM's in our league:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman

Once again I would ask that my vote be recorded without my needing to step foot into the funny farm. Thank you. :wink:

Luther Ormiston
Alan Liao Jr.
Hank Makris
Asa Booker
Dave Lemmings
Kenneth Whitt

I do whatever I can to help.

John

kreitena · 08-12-2007, 01:19 AM

Ormiston
Joyce
Liao, Jr.
Booker
Lemmings
Ward
Whitt

chowbeng · 08-12-2007, 01:53 AM

3B Dave Lemmings
RF Asa Booker
SS Kenneth Whitt
OF Lucien Arbour
2B Alan Liao Jr

TWB Brewers · 08-12-2007, 01:59 AM

Luther Ormiston
Bobby Johnson
Wilford Woodworth
Alan Liao Jr.
Roger Joyce
Asa Booker
Dave Lemmings
Kenneth Whitt
Cal Granger

DamnYankees · 08-12-2007, 02:09 AM

Woodworth
Noel
Booker
Lemmings
Ward
Whitt

pat · 08-12-2007, 06:59 PM

Woodworth
Liao Jr.
Joyce
Booker
Lemmings
Whitt
Noel

canadiancreed · 08-12-2007, 08:19 PM

Ayers
Noel
Joyce
Booker
Lemmings
Ward
Whitt
Makris
Stell
Ulrich

Anyone else find their list to be very cluttered at the end?

rudel.dietrich · 08-12-2007, 11:31 PM

Good class this year
But many of the better players had injury filled or short careers

Orminston
Johnson
Woodworth
Liao Jr.
Arbour
Booker
Lemmings
Whitt

Stell
Makris

fhomess · 08-13-2007, 01:35 PM

3B Dave Lemmings
RF Asa Booker
SS Kenneth Whitt
SS Dennis Ward
SP Lex Tjeenk-Willink
SP Corky Stell

Vris · 08-13-2007, 01:53 PM

How can you vote for Delp but not Granger?
And Woodworth is a poor man's Schwartz. If he can't get in, then I don't think Woodworth should.

Ormiston
Liao, Jr
Booker
Lemmings
Whitt
Stell
Tjeenk-Willink
Makris
Ward

08-11-2007, 11:54 PM	#1
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Time Warp HOF Ballot 1975 This is the annual Time Warp Baseball League Hall of Fame thread. Among the players new to this year's ballot are: (a) The third baseman off the Centennial Team, generally acknowledged as the greatest third baseman in league history. (b) the shortstop off the All Decade Team for the 1960s. (c) the greatest defensive shortstop in league history, winner of a record 12 Gold Gloves at the position. The 12 also tied the record for most at any position, jointly held with the legendary second baseman Woody Woodson. (d) the heart and soul of the great Pirates dynasty Asa Booker, who the BWAA gave a special exemption to appear on the ballot following his tragic death in April 1974. Have at it. John Last edited by jdw; 08-12-2007 at 12:53 AM.

08-11-2007, 11:56 PM	#4
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Batters Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): AVG: .364 Hits: 4000 HR: 585 RBI: 1906 2B: 665 BB: 1962 R: 2004 SB: 1297 Luther Ormiston, 3B, Last Season: 1956 1309 H, 262 2B, 281 HR, 1039 RBI, 888 R 614 K, 886 BB, 27 SB .273 AVG, .385 OBP, .524 SLG, .909 OPS OPS+: 150 BOY Award: 1948, 1952 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1947, 1949, 1950, 1952, 1953, 1954 Pennants: 1948, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955 WS Victories: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, HR 2, RBI 4 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1976 Bud Ayers, 3B, Last Season: 1959 2347 H, 393 2B, 261 HR, 1313 RBI, 1124 R 438 K, 811 BB, 3 SB .290 AVG, .355 OBP, .443 SLG, .798 OPS WWII - 1 Yr OPS+: 121 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 All Pros: NONE Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958 WS Victories: 1951, 1958 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1979 Bobby Johnson, 1B, Last Season: 1960 1932 H, 380 2B, 363 HR, 1348 RBI, 989 R 861 K, 527 BB, 12 SB .286 AVG, .338 OBP, .511 SLG, .849 OPS WWII - 2 Yrs OPS+: 133 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 4 All Pros: 1948, 1951 Pennants: 1946, 1948, 1955 WS Victories: 1946 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 2, HR 1, RBI 2 Career Top 25: HR (11) Final Year on Ballot: 1980 Ben Cook, 3B/CF, Last Season: 1961 1722 H, 175 2B, 129 HR, 665 RBI, 1254 R 476 K, 1391 BB, 575 SB .260 AVG, .389 OBP, .371 SLG, .760 OPS OPS+: 114 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1955, 1956, 1957 Pennants: 1950, 1953, 1954, 1957, 1959 WS Victories: 1950, 1957, 1959 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Runs 2, SB 7, BB 5 Career Top 25: SB (19), BB (20) Final Year on Ballot: 1981 Wilford Woodworth, 3B, Last Season: 1965 1663 H, 305 2B, 408 HR, 1278 RBI, 1141 R 1286 K, 1051 BB, 57 SB .244 AVG, .350 OBP, .483 SLG, .833 OPS OPS+: 128 BOY Award: 1955 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1954, 1955 Pennants: 1956, 1959 WS Victories: 1956 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: HR 1, SLG 1, TB 1 Career Top 25: HR (6) Final Year on Ballot: 1985 "Grumpy" Abraham Noel, 1B, Last Season: 1966 2799 H, 331 2B, 253 HR, 1346 RBI, 1248 R 1436 K, 1132 BB, 3 SB .294 AVG, .371 OBP, .416 SLG, .787 OPS OPS+: 122 BOY Award: 1959 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 All Pros: 1959, 1960 Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962 WS Victories: 1961, 1962 Batting Titles: 1959 Led League in: BA 1, OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, TB 1, RBI 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1986 Walter Davis, LF, Last Season: 1966 2208 H, 332 2B, 197 HR, 960 RBI, 1274 R 948 K, 1400 BB, 36 SB .266 AVG, .374 OBP, .390 SLG, .764 OPS OPS+: 115 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1957 Pennants: 1957, 1959 WS Victories: 1957, 1959 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OBP 1, BB 1 Career Top 25: BB (21) Final Year on Ballot: 1986 Roger Joyce, SS, Last Season: 1967 2394 H, 341 2B, 109 HR, 837 RBI, 1128 R 746 K, 685 BB .312 AVG, .370 OBP, .416 SLG, .785 OPS OPS+: 122 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1963 Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1966 WS Victories: 1961, 1962 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: R 1, H 3 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1988 Alan Liao Jr., 2B, Last Season: 1968 1929 H, 320 2B, 65 HR, 677 RBI, 896 R 881 K, 733 BB .321 AVG, .396 OBP, .429 SLG, .826 OPS OPS+: 134 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1958, 1959, 1960 (SS), 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964 Pennants: 1964, 1965 WS Victories: 1964 Batting Titles: 1958, 1960, 1961 Led League in: BA 3, OBP 1, H 1, 2B 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1988 NEW Wendell Aldwin, RF, Last Season: 1969 1472 H, 221 2B, 304 HR, 1057 RBI, 893 R 1202 K, 626 BB .249 AVG, .321 OBP, .458 SLG, .779 OPS OPS+: 124 BOY Award: 1963 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1963 Pennants: 1963 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: HR 2, RBI 1, SLG 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 Lucien "Lulu" Arbour, LF, Last Season: 1969 2018 H, 315 2B, 214 HR, 1015 RBI, 1123 R 911 K, 538 BB, 443 SB .305 AVG, .357 OBP, .482 SLG, .839 OPS OPS+: 137 BOY Award: 1965 ROY Award: 1957 Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1965 Pennants: 1965, 1967 WS Victories: 1965 Batting Titles: 1965 Led League in: BA 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, 2B 2, 3B 2,, SB 2 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 "Cannonball" Asa Booker, RF, Last Season: 1973 3048 H, 469 2B, 291 HR, 1465 RBI, 1567 R 774 K, 1107 BB, 735 SB .304 AVG, .353 OBP, .481 SLG, .834 OPS OPS+: 141 BOY Award: 1962, 1967, 1968 ROY Award: 1957 Gold Gloves: 1958 (CF), 1962, 1963, 1964, 1970 All Pros: 1962, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1960s All Decade Team Division: 1969, 1970, 1971, 1973 Pennants: 1966, 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1973 WS Victories: 1966,1967,1973 Batting Titles: 1967, 1968 Led League in: BA 2, SLG 1, OPS 2, R 1, H 2, 3B 7, SB 5 Career Top 25: Hits (22), SB (9) Final Year on Ballot: 1993 "The Mad Bohemian" Christopher Kobeck, 3B, Last Season: 1969 1564 H, 274 2B, 304 HR, 1106 RBI, 849 R 738 K, 660 BB .242 AVG, .313 OBP, .432 SLG, .745 OPS OPS+: 110 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1963, 1964 All Pros: 1958 Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962 WS Victories: 1961. 1962 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: HR 1, RBI 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 Dave Lemmings, 3B, Last Season: 1969 2774 H, 346 2B, 416 HR, 1500 RBI, 1736 R 937 K, 1501 BB .294 AVG, .392 OBP, .479 SLG, .872 OPS OPS+: 146 BOY Award: 1966 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1955, 1956 All Pros: 1955, 1956, 1957, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1950s All Decade Team, 1960s All Decade Team, Centenial Team Pennants: 1965, 1967 WS Victories: 1965 Batting Titles: 1955, 1966 Led League in: BA 2, OBP 1, OPS 1, HR 1, RBI 2, R 4 Career Top 25: HR (9), RBI (25), R (8), BB (14) Final Year on Ballot: 1989 Larry Long, 3B, Last Season: 1968 1335 H, 193 2B, 309 HR, 953 RBI, 824 R 893 K, 397 BB .264 AVG, .317 OBP, .518 SLG, .834 OPS OPS+: 134 BOY Award: 1960 ROY Award: 1959 Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1961 Pennants: 1962, 1963, 1964 WS Victories: 1963 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, HR 2, RBI 1, 3B 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 Sam "Smacker" O'Hara, LF, Last Season: 1969 1722 H, 356 2B, 260 HR, 1040 RBI, 870 R 1052 K, 410 BB .277 AVG, .324 OBP, .472 SLG, .796 OPS OPS+: 124 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: NONE Pennants: 1969 WS Victories: 1969 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: RBI 1, 2B 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 "Pretty Boy" Pete Pugliese, RF, Last Season: 1969 1872 H, 316 2B, 245 HR, 1081 RBI, 1073 R 1070 K, 1081 BB .277 AVG, .371 OBP, .454 SLG, .826 OPS OPS+: 133 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1959, 1964 Divisions: 1969 Pennants: 1960, 1968 WS Victories: 1960, 1968 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 John Surette, 1B, Last Season: 1968 1766 H, 173 2B, 197 HR, 831 RBI, 818 R 667 K, 457 BB .292 AVG, .347 OBP, .434 SLG, .781 OPS OPS+: 134 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1962 (3B) All Pros: 1961 Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 1961 Led League in: BA 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 Dennis Ward, SS, Last Season: 1969 2403 H, 355 2B, 173HR, 1018 RBI, 1185 R 1494 K, 932 BB .265 AVG, .333 OBP, .379 SLG, .712 OPS OPS+: 104 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967. 1968 All Pros: 1955 Pennants: 1957, 1959, 1963 WS Victories: 1957, 1959 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 Kenneth Whitt, SS, Last Season: 1969 2873 H, 382 2B, 86 HR, 861 RBI, 1360 R 1279 K, 939 BB .317 AVG, .383 OBP, .405 SLG, .789 OPS OPS+: 124 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1956, 1959 All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1964, 1966, 1960s All Decade Team Pennants: 1960 WS Victories: 1960 Batting Titles: 1956, 1959 Led League in: BA 2, OBP 1, H 4, 3B 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 Doug "The Count" Williams, 2B/SS, Last Season: 1969 1776 H, 303 2B, 170 HR, 893 RBI, 837 R 919 K, 547 BB .275 AVG, .337 OBP, .414 SLG, .751 OPS OPS+: 114 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1958, 1961, 1962 All Pros: 1962 Pennants: 1957, 1959, 1964, 1965 WS Victories: 1957, 1959, 1964 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 Boris "The Dancing Bear" Zimyanin, 3B, Last Season: 1969 2169 H, 313 2B, 235 HR, 1098 RBI, 1018 R 900 K, 711 BB .295 AVG, .358 OBP, .440 SLG, .799 OPS OPS+: 125 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1960 All Pros: NONE Pennants: 1963 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 Last edited by jdw; 08-14-2007 at 02:29 AM.

08-12-2007, 12:16 AM	#8
knightni Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	Bud Ayers "Cannonball" Asa Booker Chris Delp Dave Lemmings "Grumpy" Abraham Noel Bud Ulrich Dennis Ward Kenneth Whitt Lex Tjeenk-Willink Wilford Woodworth __________________ DPBL 2013, 2019 WS Champs Cincinnati Reds Time Warp 1971 WS Champs Oakland A's

08-12-2007, 12:26 AM	#9
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Ormiston Tjeenk-Willink Joyce Liao Stell Makris Booker Lemmings Ward Whitt Last edited by tward13; 08-12-2007 at 01:35 AM.

08-12-2007, 12:44 AM	#10
BadluckinOOTP All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: OKC Posts: 1,534	Cook Noel Joyce Booker Lemmings Ward Whitt __________________

08-11-2007, 11:55 PM	#3
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference: 189 - Woody Woodson 186 - Ray Kress 166 - Dark Horse Allen 163 - Jason Tedford 159 - Whitey Kohse 158 - Oscar Vancini 156 - Charlton Brown 152 - Jed Burke 152 - Patrick Seifried 152 - Arnie Stewart 149 - Genaro Nunez 148 - Whiskey Allen 148 - Ken Chaucer 147 - Lonny Arrendale 146 - Peaches Badeau 145 - Blake Crocitto 145 - Paul Lett 142 - Hershel Lee 141 - Ben Baum 141 - Tee Carver 141 - Ogden Wing 140 - Bud Breckenridge 140 - John Falise 140 - Ray Brown 140 - Scott Podlasek 140 - Dale Lamberty 140 - Bobby Martin 139 - Dewey Mickelsen 139 - Tom Howard 138 - Tyrell Chestnut 138 - Wolter Tjeenk-Willink 138 - John Degal 138 - Rudel Dietrich 137 - Kid Fite 137 - Will Miller 137 - Steven Bussell 137 - Ted McMurray 136 - Harry Cohan 136 - Jared Jarry 135 - John Klehammer 135 - Jimmy Ditty 134 - Carl Kahle 133 - Slap Hertzog 133 - Flaky Arsenault 133 - Roy Hobbs 133 - Dave Arkless 133 - Matt Perly 133 - Mark Silcox 132 - Adolf Greisbach 132 - John Schmieder 132 - Cookie Parrish 131 - Chuck Rauch 131 - Nick Graves 131 - Hans Habermehl 131 - William Perry 130 - Sunny Davie 129 - Tom Turley 129 - George Ward 129 - Ping Hung 129 - Herman Dunkel 129 - Moonlight Graham 128 - Morris Lutske 127 - Campbell Ditty 127 - Troy Kinnear 127 - Mike Fellner 126 - Bull Zegri 125 - Herm Vardaman 125 - Mike Kreitenberg 124 - Levi Walls 123 - Dale Reneau 123 - Alan Liao 122 - Sam Kass 122 - Sal Rossi 121 - Quenton Misisca 120 - Ervin Skjerly 118 - Gus Kahle 114 - Jonny Perly 114 - Jon Minzey 110 - David McAuliffe 110 - Ted Stuart 102 - Harry Finley

08-11-2007, 11:57 PM	#5
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Pitchers Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): ERA: 2.10 W: 446 K: 4028 CG: 601 SHO: 95 Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference: 210 - Andrew Murphy 163 - Frank Smith 162 - Tim Lopresto 161 - Raymond Gindler 158 - Allen Albertini 157 - Jethro Lee 157 - Cecil Tan 150 - Randy Liebermann 145 - Punchy Cote 145 - Howard Adams 145 - Bourbon Allen Jr. 144 - Johnny Cakes Sutton 142 - Cotton Simson 138 - Dave McBean 138 - Martin Gwaltney 137 - Mark Krosser 137 - Johnny Swinson 137 - Carpenter Erickson 137 - Joe Helton 136 - Bowie Castellon 135 - Ken Zinn 134 - Otto Kahle 134 - Scott Fenner 133 - Jassen Nelson 131 - Remmy Paul 131 - Luke Riley 131 - Tobe Palmer 129 - David Wiskersham 125 - Adam Sardina 125 - Grady Ingram 124 - Bourbon Allen 124 - Art Booth 121 - Ahrend Nagel 120 - Terry Schukraft 116 - John Nolting 116 - Hal Andrew 115 - Mark Ponfick

08-11-2007, 11:58 PM	#6
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Corky Stell, Last Season: 1956 163-108, 60.2%, 3.30 ERA 2409 IP, 820 BB, 986 K, 30 CG, 8 SHO, 1.27 WHIP ERA+: 131 POY Award: 1949, 1952, 1953 ROY Award: NONE All Pros: 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953 Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955 World Championships: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955 WS Record: 2-2, 5.04 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 3. WHIP 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1977 Bud Ulrich, Last Season: 1962, HOF Standard: 35 210-125, 62.7%, 3.88 ERA 3274.2 IP, 1411 BB, 2085 K, 73 CG, 16 SHO, 1.34 WHIP ERA+: 108 POY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1949 All Pros: 1952, 1955 Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959 World Championships: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959 WS Record: 4-1, 4.77 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1983 Lex Tjeenk-Willink, Last Season: 1964, HOF Standard: 46 245-170, 59.0%, 3.79 ERA 3877 IP, 1287 BB, 3069 K, 121 CG, 19 SHO, 1.19 WHIP ERA+: 112 POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE All Pros: 1957 Pennants: NONE World Championships: NONE WS Record: N/A No-Hitters: 2 Led League in: Wins 1 Career Top 25: K's (10) Final Year on Ballot: 1985 Hank Makris, Last Season: 1964 214-173, 55.3%, 3.48 ERA 3634.0 IP, 1092 BB, 1563 K, 166 CG, 32 SHO, 1.28 WHIP ERA+: 124 POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: 1953, 1958, 1961, 1963 WS MVP: 1957, 1959 All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1960 Pennants: 1957, 1959 World Championships: 1957, 1959 WS Record: 4-0, 0.82 ERA No-Hitters: 2 Led League in: SHO 2, Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1986 Cal Granger, Last Season: 1968 100-104, 49.0%, 3.53 ERA 1426.3 IP, 421 BB, 609 K, 390 SV ERA+: N/A POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: NONE All Pros: 1952, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1962, 1964; 1950s All Decade Team Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958, 1963 World Championships: 1951, 1958 WS Record: 0-1, 3.49 ERA, 4 SV Led League in: SV 6, G 1 Career Top 25: SV (1), Appearances (1), Relief Innings (1) Final Year on Ballot: 1988 NEW Chris Delp, Last Season: 1969 93-76, 55.0%, 3.29 ERA 991.0 IP, 502 BB, 934 K, 312 SV ERA+: N/A POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: NONE All Pros: 1959 Pennants: 1957, 1959, 1965, 1967 World Championships: 1957, 1959, 1965, WS Record: 0-1, 5.14 ERA, 5 SV Led League in: SV 2, G 2 Career Top 25: SV (3), Appearances (4), Relief Innings (5) Final Year on Ballot: 1989

08-12-2007, 12:00 AM	#7
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Asa Booker Ben Cook Cal Granger Dave Lemmings Alan Liao Jr. Luther Ormiston Corky Stell Dennis Ward Kenneth Whitt Wilford Woodworth John

08-12-2007, 01:19 AM	#12
kreitena Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 302	Ormiston Joyce Liao, Jr. Booker Lemmings Ward Whitt __________________ PBRL - Chicago Cubs TWB - Los Angeles Dodgers

08-12-2007, 01:53 AM	#13
chowbeng Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 42	3B Dave Lemmings RF Asa Booker SS Kenneth Whitt OF Lucien Arbour 2B Alan Liao Jr

08-12-2007, 01:59 AM	#14
TWB Brewers Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 10	Luther Ormiston Bobby Johnson Wilford Woodworth Alan Liao Jr. Roger Joyce Asa Booker Dave Lemmings Kenneth Whitt Cal Granger

08-12-2007, 02:09 AM	#15
DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	Woodworth Noel Booker Lemmings Ward Whitt

08-12-2007, 06:59 PM	#16
pat Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 2,748	Woodworth Liao Jr. Joyce Booker Lemmings Whitt Noel __________________ Co-Founder & Technical Director at ExaWeb Corporation, an SEO company in the Philippines. Previous Leagues - Time Warp Baseball / International Federation of Baseball / Professional Baseball Replay League / No Pepper Baseball League / MLB Pro Current OOTP 24 Leagues - Sim Sports Gaming - (2016-Present) Washington Nationals (2016-2022) *2017 Champions Oakland Athletics (2023-Present)

08-12-2007, 08:19 PM	#17
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Ayers Noel Joyce Booker Lemmings Ward Whitt Makris Stell Ulrich Anyone else find their list to be very cluttered at the end?

08-12-2007, 11:31 PM	#18
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Good class this year But many of the better players had injury filled or short careers Orminston Johnson Woodworth Liao Jr. Arbour Booker Lemmings Whitt Stell Makris

08-13-2007, 01:35 PM	#19
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,653	3B Dave Lemmings RF Asa Booker SS Kenneth Whitt SS Dennis Ward SP Lex Tjeenk-Willink SP Corky Stell __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

08-13-2007, 01:53 PM	#20
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	How can you vote for Delp but not Granger? And Woodworth is a poor man's Schwartz. If he can't get in, then I don't think Woodworth should. Ormiston Liao, Jr Booker Lemmings Whitt Stell Tjeenk-Willink Makris Ward __________________ None Blog it.