VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1952

Matt from TN · 02-09-2005, 08:46 PM

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results,
1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results,
1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results
1951 Results

Two players were elected to the RL HOF by the BBWAA in 1952: Harry Heilmann and Paul Waner.

All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1952 (retired after 1946 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max.

Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .364
Hits: 4000
HR: 557
RBI: 1906
2B: 665
BB: 1962
R: 2004
SB: 1176

Willard Schwarz, C, Last Season: 1937, HOF Standard: 41
2050 H, 359 2B, 340 HR, 1399 RBI, 1106 R, 614 K, 595 BB, 14 SB, .260 AVG, .760 OPS
BOY Award: 1932
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 8
Pennants: 6
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, HR 3, RBI 1, R 1
Career Top 25: HR (4)

Howard "Cookie" Parrish, 1B, Last Season: 1939, HOF Standard: 36
2082 H, 481 2B, 228 HR, 1171 RBI, 1010 R, 423 K, 576 BB, 6 SB, .312 AVG, .860 OPS
BOY Award: 1929, 1933
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, 2B 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: NONE

Jon Minzey, CF, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57
2988 H, 430 2B, 54 HR, 1098 RBI, 1568 R, 600 K, 710 BB, 364 SB, .316 AVG, .801 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 1
Career Top 25: Runs (23), Hits (23)

Troy Kinnear, 3B, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57
2412 H, 602 2B, 332 HR, 1595 RBI, 1423 R, 933 K, 1407 BB, 46 SB, .272 AVG, .858 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 1, HR 1, BB 1
Career Top 25: 2B (6), HR (6), RBI (14), BB (15)

Quenton Misisca, 1B, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44
2629 H, 640 2B, 397 HR, 1787 RBI, 1419 R, 464 K, 759 BB, 26 SB, .286 AVG, .836 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 1, HR 4, RBI 3
Career Top 25: HR (2), RBI (4), 2B (5)

Harry Finley, C, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44
1982 H, 373 2B, 87 HR, 910 RBI, 1139 R, 788 K, 508 BB, 632 SB, .288 AVG, .761 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 10
Pennants: 7
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 2
Career Top 25: SB (14)

Dave "Red Fox" Arkless, CF, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 55
2439 H, 401 2B, 285 HR, 1292 RBI, 1418 R, 453 K, 1036 BB, 140 SB, .297 AVG, .855 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 7
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: Hits 2, Runs 1
Career Top 25: HR (13)

Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 57
2510 H, 541 2B, 68 HR, 888 RBI, 1352 R, 648 K, 514 BB, 657 SB, .318 AVG, .816 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1928
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1, Runs 3
Career Top 25: 2B (14), SB (12)

Adolf "The Human Torch" Greisbach, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 60
2847 H, 384 2B, 53 HR, 898 RBI, 1311 R, 573 K, 1026 BB, 221 SB, .346 AVG, .853 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 4
Career Top 25: AVG (7)

David "Pops" McAuliffe, 3B, Last Season: 1945, HOF Standard: 55
3525 H, 596 2B, 177 HR, 1570 RBI, 1522 R, 797 K, 846 BB, 155 SB, .300 AVG, .769 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1923
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: Hits (3), 2B (7), RBI (15)

NEW

Oscar Vancini, LF, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 63
2959 H, 425 2B, 557 HR, 1906 RBI, 1636 R, 1103 K, 1262 BB, 29 SB, .309 AVG, .925 OPS
BOY Award: 1930, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1945
ROY Award: 1929
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 6, OPS 5, HR 9, RBI 8, Runs 4
Career Top 25: HR (1), RBI (1), R (14)

Steven "Babylon" Bussell, 3B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 68
3098 H, 655 2B, 161 HR, 1428 RBI, 1766 R, 1178 K, 1962 BB, 165 SB, .305 AVG, .864 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 2, OPS 1, Runs 2, BB 7
Career Top 25: Hits (17), 2B (4), RBI (24), BB (1), R (4)

Alan Liao, 3B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 65
3065 H, 527 2B, 144 HR, 1349 RBI, 1616 R, 476 K, 1482 BB, 270 SB, .301 AVG, .805 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 1, Runs 1, BB 1
Career Top 25: Hits (19), 2B (21), Runs (17), BB (11)

Bobby Martin, 2B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 59
2623 H, 548 2B, 124 HR, 1151 RBI, 1349 R, 621 K, 1007 BB, 21 SB, .319 AVG, .858 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1931
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: OBP 1, OPS 1, Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1
Career Top 25: 2B (11)

Foglesong "Fuzz" Allen, LF, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 40
2602 H, 258 2B, 125 HR, 1051 RBI, 1422 R, 730 K, 660 BB, 925 SB, .305 AVG, .775 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 3, Runs 1, SB 6
Career Top 25: SB (2)

Carmack Alford, LF, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 35
2755 H, 324 2B, 224 HR, 1459 RBI, 1200 R, 376 K, 870 BB, 23 SB, .288 AVG, .742 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: RBI 1
Career Top 25: RBI (21)

Woodrow Woodworth, 2B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 41
2407 H, 324 2B, 75 HR, 851 RBI, 1169 R, 272 K, 866 BB, 161 SB, .307 AVG, .777 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE

Allen March, LF, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 31
1817 H, 291 2B, 175 HR, 1058 RBI, 1103 R, 157 K, 1027 BB, 165 SB, .282 AVG, .818 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 5
Pennants: 7
WS Victories: 4
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, HR 1
Career Top 25: NONE

Vincent Weatherly, SS, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 33
2179 H, 375 2B, 45 HR, 867 RBI, 939 R, 837 K, 1005 BB, 11 SB, .281 AVG, .726 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 1
Career Top 25: NONE

Pitchers

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 446
K: 3407
CG: 601
SHO: 95

"Nasty Ned" Fargo, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 46
322-261, 55.2%, 3.99 ERA, 5502 IP, 1073 BB, 1482 K, 415 CG, 31 SHO, 1.24 WHIP
POY Award: 1927
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 5, CG 2
Career Top 25: Wins (12), CG (17)

Luke Riley, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 53
272-138, 66.3%, 3.34 ERA, 3746.2 IP, 967 BB, 1611 K, 350 CG, 39 SHO, 1.24 WHIP
POY Award: 1934, 1935
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 6
WS Victories: 5
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 1, Wins 3, IP 1, K's 1, CG 4, SHO 2
Career Top 25: NONE

Terry Schukraft, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 51
332-255, 56.6%, 3.73 ERA, 5516.2 IP, 1764 BB, 2056 K, 428 CG, 39 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 4
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: IP 1, CG 2, SHO 1
Career Top 25: Wins (10), K (21), CG (14)

Art Booth, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 48
284-165, 63.3%, 3.64 ERA, 4262.1 IP, 1402 BB, 1758 K, 339 CG, 30 SHO, 1.34 WHIP
POY Award: 1938, 1942
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 6
WS Victories: 4
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 1, IP 1, CG 1, SHO 2
Career Top 25: Wins (19)

Mark Ponfick, Last Season: 1945, HOF Standard: 55
334-252, 57.0%, 3.82 ERA, 5596 IP, 1184 BB, 2505 K, 463 CG, 41 SHO, 1.22 WHIP
POY Award: 1944
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: WHIP 2, Wins 1
Career Top 25: Wins (9), K's (5), CG (5), SHO (25)

NEW

David Wickersham, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 67
376-265, 58.7%, 3.43 ERA, 6057 IP, 2002 BB, 3098 K, 480 CG, 38 SHO, 1.17 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: 1
Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 2, IP 1, K's 4, CG 1
Career Top 25: Wins (4), K's (3), CG (4)

Alex Winterhalter, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 37
269-199, 57.5%, 3.55 ERA, 4308.2 IP, 1570 BB, 1489 K, 342 CG, 40 SHO, 1.38 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: BB 1
Career Top 25: NONE

Gerald Saxton, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 29
252-248, 50.4%, 4.10 ERA, 4714.2 IP, 1785 BB, 2202 K, 352 CG, 18 SHO, 1.36 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Loss 1, IP 2, BB 1, CG 1
Career Top 25: K's (13)

Abe Dickens, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 25
228-190, 54.6%, 3.78 ERA, 3961 IP, 1710 BB, 1541 K, 310 CG, 25 SHO, 1.42 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: IP 1
Career Top 25: NONE

pat · 02-09-2005, 09:03 PM

Wickersham
Minzey
Kinnear
Fargo
Bowden
Greisbach
McAuliffe
Bussell
Liao
Martin

Vris · 02-09-2005, 09:04 PM

Ugh I think I dread when these things come out....Only 10?!?!?!?

In no order...

Harry Finley
"Cookie" Parrish
Oscar Vancini
Troy Kinnear
"Pops" McAuliffe
Luke Riley
Terry Schukraft
Art Booth
David Wickersham
Mark Ponfick

Hardest vote yet...

canadiancreed · 02-09-2005, 09:13 PM

Damn this is a VERY deep group

David Wickersham
Mark Ponfick
Terry Schukraft <- How this guy didnt get in last time I'll never know
Luke Riley
"Nasty Ned" Fargo
Alan Liao <- One of the best Reds in history. Very overlooked
Steven "Babylon" Bussell
Oscar Vancini
David "Pops" McAuliffe
Jon Minzey

goroyals · 02-09-2005, 09:13 PM

First time I voted in one of these, I have a hard time being "exclusive", as many are so deserving.

Greisbach
McAulifee
Vancini
Schukraft
Ponfick
Wickersham
Riley
Bussell
Minzey
Kinnear

canadiancreed · 02-09-2005, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Hardest vote yet...

Most defaitnely

tward13 · 02-09-2005, 09:18 PM

Misisca
Kinnear
Riley
McAuliffe
Ponfick
Vancini
Bussell
Liao
Martin
Wickersham

Matt from TN · 02-09-2005, 10:39 PM

Check out the career top 25's for Kinnear and Misisca. I think these guys are getting shafted. Heck, Misisca's the #2 HR hitter of all time! They both hit HR and doubles, plus among the best ever for RBI. I realize the Tigers had a great offense but never really did much except for 1 WS, but you can't blame that on these guys. The team NEVER had good pitching.

Matt from TN · 02-09-2005, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vris

Ugh I think I dread when these things come out....Only 10?!?!?!?

If the first few votes are any indication, several players may get in because everyone's made 10 votes so far.

canadiancreed · 02-09-2005, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

If the first few votes are any indication, several players may get in because everyone's made 10 votes so far.

It is a very deep field this year. The two players that you mention are competing against five guys that hit over 3000 hits and five 300 game winners. That's some stiff compettiion right there IMO

Matt from TN · 02-09-2005, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

It is a very deep field this year. The two players that you mention are competing against five guys that hit over 3000 hits and five 300 game winners. That's some stiff compettiion right there IMO

True... I guess it's equally possible to have several guys get 60-70% and just miss out.

I'm really glad to see Bussell getting support. I was afreaid he'd be overlooked.

And while I'm on the subject, I think Dave Arkless is quite underrated too.

canadiancreed · 02-09-2005, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

True... I guess it's equally possible to have several guys get 60-70% and just miss out.

I'm really glad to see Bussell getting support. I was afreaid he'd be overlooked.

And while I'm on the subject, I think Dave Arkless is quite underrated too.

True. I felt there were better in this field but he does make a very strong case

UngratefulDead · 02-09-2005, 10:59 PM

Wickersham
Martin
Liao
Bussel
Vancini
Minzey
Kinnear
Bowden
Arkless
Greisbach (very underrated)

canadiancreed · 02-09-2005, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Greisbach (very underrated)

Hmmm reminds me kinda of a Wade Boggs type player

bigjas · 02-09-2005, 11:31 PM

Bussell
Wickersham
Liao
Vancini
Greisbach
Martin
Bowden
Minzey
Kinnear
Ponfick

metsgeek · 02-10-2005, 12:04 AM

Vancini
McAuliffe
Bussell
Minzey
Arkless
Kinnear
Greisbach
Misisca
Riley
Wickersham

pat, I really have to wonder why you didn't vote for Vancini. Did you just overlook him? He's our Babe Ruth!

canadiancreed · 02-10-2005, 12:17 AM

Quote:

pat, I really have to wonder why you didn't vote for Vancini. Did you just overlook him? He's our Babe Ruth!

Didnt want to give him a swelled head?

Carlton · 02-10-2005, 12:25 AM

I hope to kill most votes off, because I think this man should go in alone

My ONLY vote goes to

Oscar "The Kid" Vancini

DamnYankees · 02-10-2005, 12:58 AM

Misisca
Griesbach
McAuliffe
Vancini
Bussel
Wickersham

Vancini should get unanimous entry. I have very high standards for the HOF, and in TWB, 3,000 is not necessarily a good enough benchmark.

tward13 · 02-10-2005, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlton

I hope to kill most votes off, because I think this man should go in alone

My ONLY vote goes to

Oscar "The Kid" Vancini

Personally, I feel this is very unfair. The other guys either are or aren't HoFers. Voting to give someone a "special" vote isn't fair to other worthy players. Especially if you fully intend to vote for a few of them next year. (or voted for some of them in the past)

Just my opinion, and John and I have gone round and round this with the VC votes before.

02-09-2005, 08:46 PM	#1
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1952 1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results 1951 Results Two players were elected to the RL HOF by the BBWAA in 1952: Harry Heilmann and Paul Waner. All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1952 (retired after 1946 season). All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected. Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10. HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max. Batters Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): AVG: .364 Hits: 4000 HR: 557 RBI: 1906 2B: 665 BB: 1962 R: 2004 SB: 1176 Willard Schwarz, C, Last Season: 1937, HOF Standard: 41 2050 H, 359 2B, 340 HR, 1399 RBI, 1106 R, 614 K, 595 BB, 14 SB, .260 AVG, .760 OPS BOY Award: 1932 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 8 Pennants: 6 WS Victories: 5 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, HR 3, RBI 1, R 1 Career Top 25: HR (4) Howard "Cookie" Parrish, 1B, Last Season: 1939, HOF Standard: 36 2082 H, 481 2B, 228 HR, 1171 RBI, 1010 R, 423 K, 576 BB, 6 SB, .312 AVG, .860 OPS BOY Award: 1929, 1933 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, 2B 1, RBI 1 Career Top 25: NONE Jon Minzey, CF, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57 2988 H, 430 2B, 54 HR, 1098 RBI, 1568 R, 600 K, 710 BB, 364 SB, .316 AVG, .801 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 4 Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 1 Career Top 25: Runs (23), Hits (23) Troy Kinnear, 3B, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57 2412 H, 602 2B, 332 HR, 1595 RBI, 1423 R, 933 K, 1407 BB, 46 SB, .272 AVG, .858 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 1, HR 1, BB 1 Career Top 25: 2B (6), HR (6), RBI (14), BB (15) Quenton Misisca, 1B, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44 2629 H, 640 2B, 397 HR, 1787 RBI, 1419 R, 464 K, 759 BB, 26 SB, .286 AVG, .836 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 1, HR 4, RBI 3 Career Top 25: HR (2), RBI (4), 2B (5) Harry Finley, C, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44 1982 H, 373 2B, 87 HR, 910 RBI, 1139 R, 788 K, 508 BB, 632 SB, .288 AVG, .761 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 10 Pennants: 7 WS Victories: 5 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 2 Career Top 25: SB (14) Dave "Red Fox" Arkless, CF, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 55 2439 H, 401 2B, 285 HR, 1292 RBI, 1418 R, 453 K, 1036 BB, 140 SB, .297 AVG, .855 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 7 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: Hits 2, Runs 1 Career Top 25: HR (13) Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 57 2510 H, 541 2B, 68 HR, 888 RBI, 1352 R, 648 K, 514 BB, 657 SB, .318 AVG, .816 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1928 Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 2 Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1, Runs 3 Career Top 25: 2B (14), SB (12) Adolf "The Human Torch" Greisbach, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 60 2847 H, 384 2B, 53 HR, 898 RBI, 1311 R, 573 K, 1026 BB, 221 SB, .346 AVG, .853 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: 2 Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 4 Career Top 25: AVG (7) David "Pops" McAuliffe, 3B, Last Season: 1945, HOF Standard: 55 3525 H, 596 2B, 177 HR, 1570 RBI, 1522 R, 797 K, 846 BB, 155 SB, .300 AVG, .769 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1923 Gold Gloves: 3 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: Hits (3), 2B (7), RBI (15) NEW Oscar Vancini, LF, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 63 2959 H, 425 2B, 557 HR, 1906 RBI, 1636 R, 1103 K, 1262 BB, 29 SB, .309 AVG, .925 OPS BOY Award: 1930, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1945 ROY Award: 1929 Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 6, OPS 5, HR 9, RBI 8, Runs 4 Career Top 25: HR (1), RBI (1), R (14) Steven "Babylon" Bussell, 3B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 68 3098 H, 655 2B, 161 HR, 1428 RBI, 1766 R, 1178 K, 1962 BB, 165 SB, .305 AVG, .864 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OBP 2, OPS 1, Runs 2, BB 7 Career Top 25: Hits (17), 2B (4), RBI (24), BB (1), R (4) Alan Liao, 3B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 65 3065 H, 527 2B, 144 HR, 1349 RBI, 1616 R, 476 K, 1482 BB, 270 SB, .301 AVG, .805 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 1, Runs 1, BB 1 Career Top 25: Hits (19), 2B (21), Runs (17), BB (11) Bobby Martin, 2B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 59 2623 H, 548 2B, 124 HR, 1151 RBI, 1349 R, 621 K, 1007 BB, 21 SB, .319 AVG, .858 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1931 Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: OBP 1, OPS 1, Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1 Career Top 25: 2B (11) Foglesong "Fuzz" Allen, LF, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 40 2602 H, 258 2B, 125 HR, 1051 RBI, 1422 R, 730 K, 660 BB, 925 SB, .305 AVG, .775 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 3, Runs 1, SB 6 Career Top 25: SB (2) Carmack Alford, LF, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 35 2755 H, 324 2B, 224 HR, 1459 RBI, 1200 R, 376 K, 870 BB, 23 SB, .288 AVG, .742 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: RBI 1 Career Top 25: RBI (21) Woodrow Woodworth, 2B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 41 2407 H, 324 2B, 75 HR, 851 RBI, 1169 R, 272 K, 866 BB, 161 SB, .307 AVG, .777 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Allen March, LF, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 31 1817 H, 291 2B, 175 HR, 1058 RBI, 1103 R, 157 K, 1027 BB, 165 SB, .282 AVG, .818 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 5 Pennants: 7 WS Victories: 4 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, HR 1 Career Top 25: NONE Vincent Weatherly, SS, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 33 2179 H, 375 2B, 45 HR, 867 RBI, 939 R, 837 K, 1005 BB, 11 SB, .281 AVG, .726 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 1 Career Top 25: NONE Pitchers Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): ERA: 2.10 W: 446 K: 3407 CG: 601 SHO: 95 "Nasty Ned" Fargo, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 46 322-261, 55.2%, 3.99 ERA, 5502 IP, 1073 BB, 1482 K, 415 CG, 31 SHO, 1.24 WHIP POY Award: 1927 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 5, CG 2 Career Top 25: Wins (12), CG (17) Luke Riley, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 53 272-138, 66.3%, 3.34 ERA, 3746.2 IP, 967 BB, 1611 K, 350 CG, 39 SHO, 1.24 WHIP POY Award: 1934, 1935 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 6 WS Victories: 5 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 1, Wins 3, IP 1, K's 1, CG 4, SHO 2 Career Top 25: NONE Terry Schukraft, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 51 332-255, 56.6%, 3.73 ERA, 5516.2 IP, 1764 BB, 2056 K, 428 CG, 39 SHO, 1.27 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 4 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: IP 1, CG 2, SHO 1 Career Top 25: Wins (10), K (21), CG (14) Art Booth, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 48 284-165, 63.3%, 3.64 ERA, 4262.1 IP, 1402 BB, 1758 K, 339 CG, 30 SHO, 1.34 WHIP POY Award: 1938, 1942 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 6 WS Victories: 4 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 1, IP 1, CG 1, SHO 2 Career Top 25: Wins (19) Mark Ponfick, Last Season: 1945, HOF Standard: 55 334-252, 57.0%, 3.82 ERA, 5596 IP, 1184 BB, 2505 K, 463 CG, 41 SHO, 1.22 WHIP POY Award: 1944 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 2 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: WHIP 2, Wins 1 Career Top 25: Wins (9), K's (5), CG (5), SHO (25) NEW David Wickersham, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 67 376-265, 58.7%, 3.43 ERA, 6057 IP, 2002 BB, 3098 K, 480 CG, 38 SHO, 1.17 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: 1 Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 2, IP 1, K's 4, CG 1 Career Top 25: Wins (4), K's (3), CG (4) Alex Winterhalter, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 37 269-199, 57.5%, 3.55 ERA, 4308.2 IP, 1570 BB, 1489 K, 342 CG, 40 SHO, 1.38 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: BB 1 Career Top 25: NONE Gerald Saxton, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 29 252-248, 50.4%, 4.10 ERA, 4714.2 IP, 1785 BB, 2202 K, 352 CG, 18 SHO, 1.36 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: Loss 1, IP 2, BB 1, CG 1 Career Top 25: K's (13) Abe Dickens, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 25 228-190, 54.6%, 3.78 ERA, 3961 IP, 1710 BB, 1541 K, 310 CG, 25 SHO, 1.42 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: IP 1 Career Top 25: NONE __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise Last edited by Matt from TN; 02-09-2005 at 08:47 PM.

02-09-2005, 09:04 PM	#3
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	Ugh I think I dread when these things come out....Only 10?!?!?!? In no order... Harry Finley "Cookie" Parrish Oscar Vancini Troy Kinnear "Pops" McAuliffe Luke Riley Terry Schukraft Art Booth David Wickersham Mark Ponfick Hardest vote yet... __________________ None Blog it.

02-09-2005, 09:13 PM	#4
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Damn this is a VERY deep group David Wickersham Mark Ponfick Terry Schukraft <- How this guy didnt get in last time I'll never know Luke Riley "Nasty Ned" Fargo Alan Liao <- One of the best Reds in history. Very overlooked Steven "Babylon" Bussell Oscar Vancini David "Pops" McAuliffe Jon Minzey __________________ PT21 PT22

02-09-2005, 10:39 PM	#8
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Check out the career top 25's for Kinnear and Misisca. I think these guys are getting shafted. Heck, Misisca's the #2 HR hitter of all time! They both hit HR and doubles, plus among the best ever for RBI. I realize the Tigers had a great offense but never really did much except for 1 WS, but you can't blame that on these guys. The team NEVER had good pitching. __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

02-09-2005, 10:59 PM	#13
UngratefulDead Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,415	Wickersham Martin Liao Bussel Vancini Minzey Kinnear Bowden Arkless Greisbach (very underrated) Last edited by UngratefulDead; 02-09-2005 at 11:01 PM.

02-09-2005, 09:03 PM	#2
pat Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 2,748	Wickersham Minzey Kinnear Fargo Bowden Greisbach McAuliffe Bussell Liao Martin __________________ Co-Founder & Technical Director at ExaWeb Corporation, an SEO company in the Philippines. Previous Leagues - Time Warp Baseball / International Federation of Baseball / Professional Baseball Replay League / No Pepper Baseball League / MLB Pro Current OOTP 24 Leagues - Sim Sports Gaming - (2016-Present) Washington Nationals (2016-2022) *2017 Champions Oakland Athletics (2023-Present)

02-09-2005, 09:13 PM	#5
goroyals All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 930	First time I voted in one of these, I have a hard time being "exclusive", as many are so deserving. Greisbach McAulifee Vancini Schukraft Ponfick Wickersham Riley Bussell Minzey Kinnear

02-09-2005, 09:18 PM	#7
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Misisca Kinnear Riley McAuliffe Ponfick Vancini Bussell Liao Martin Wickersham

02-09-2005, 11:31 PM	#15
bigjas Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olive Hill, KY Posts: 279	Bussell Wickersham Liao Vancini Greisbach Martin Bowden Minzey Kinnear Ponfick

02-10-2005, 12:04 AM	#16
metsgeek Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norwood, MA Posts: 5,450	Vancini McAuliffe Bussell Minzey Arkless Kinnear Greisbach Misisca Riley Wickersham pat, I really have to wonder why you didn't vote for Vancini. Did you just overlook him? He's our Babe Ruth! __________________ Commissioner - PBRL - Just finished 2009 109 seasons and still running strong!!! Last edited by metsgeek; 02-10-2005 at 12:09 AM.

02-10-2005, 12:25 AM	#18
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	I hope to kill most votes off, because I think this man should go in alone My ONLY vote goes to Oscar "The Kid" Vancini __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

02-10-2005, 12:58 AM	#19
DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	Misisca Griesbach McAuliffe Vancini Bussel Wickersham Vancini should get unanimous entry. I have very high standards for the HOF, and in TWB, 3,000 is not necessarily a good enough benchmark. Last edited by DamnYankees; 02-10-2005 at 01:05 AM.