VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1947

Matt from TN · 09-23-2004, 04:18 PM

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results,
1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results,
1946 Results

In 1947, the first players were elected to the RL HOF by the BBWAA since Hornsby in 1942. They were Carl Hubbell, Frankie Frisch, Mickey Cochrane and Lefty Grove.

All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1947 (retired after 1941 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max.

Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .364
Hits: 4000
HR: 555
RBI: 1887
2B: 665
BB: 1936
R: 2004
SB: 924

"Ray of Light" Brown, CF, Last Season: 1926, HOF Standard: 49
2526 H, 339 2B, 130 HR, 1155 RBI, 1314 R, 969 K, 828 BB, 167 SB, .300 AVG, .836 OPS
BOY Award: 2
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 11
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 2, Hits 2, 3B 1, HR 2, Runs 1
Career Top 10: 3B

Jerry "Slap" Hertzog, 2B, Last Season: 1937, HOF Standard: 61
2510 H, 395 2B, 122 HR, 1187 RBI, 1491 R, 899 K, 1509 BB, 41 SB, .314 AVG, .872 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 1, BB 7
Career Top 10: BB

Willard Schwarz, C, Last Season: 1937, HOF Standard: 41
2050 H, 359 2B, 340 HR, 1399 RBI, 1106 R, 614 K, 595 BB, 14 SB, .260 AVG, .760 OPS
BOY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 8
Pennants: 6
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, HR 3, RBI 1, R 1
Career Top 10: HR

Glendon "Bull" Zegri, LF, Last Season: 1938, HOF Standard: 58
2934 H, 657 2B, 212 HR, 1713 RBI, 1503 R, 454 K, 1560 BB, 25 SB, .304 AVG, .844 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: RBI, 2B, BB

Nick Graves, RF, Last Season: 1938, HOF Standard: 52
2356 H, 527 2B, 207 HR, 1408 RBI, 1208 R, 775 K, 784 BB, 110 SB, .312 AVG, .877 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Howard "Cookie" Parrish, 1B, Last Season: 1939, HOF Standard: 36
2082 H, 481 2B, 228 HR, 1171 RBI, 1010 R, 423 K, 576 BB, 6 SB, .312 AVG, .860 OPS
BOY Award: 2
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, 2B 1, RBI 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Dale "The Wizard" Reneau, SS, Last Season: 1939, HOF Standard: 63
2784 H, 340 2B, 91 HR, 1057 RBI, 1467 R, 693 K, 919 BB, 557 SB, .317 AVG, .829 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 6
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 2, Runs 1, SB 2
Career Top 10: NONE

Roy "The Natural" Hobbs, CF, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 71
2992 H, 442 2B, 221 HR, 1660 RBI, 1585 R, 717 K, 1209 BB, 206 SB, .315 AVG, .865 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OPS 1, RBI 2
Career Top 10: RBI

Jon Minzey, CF, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57
2988 H, 430 2B, 54 HR, 1098 RBI, 1568 R, 600 K, 710 BB, 364 SB, .316 AVG, .801 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Troy Kinnear, 3B, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57
2412 H, 602 2B, 332 HR, 1595 RBI, 1423 R, 933 K, 1407 BB, 46 SB, .272 AVG, .858 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 1, HR 1, BB 1
Career Top 10: 2B, HR

NEW

Quenton Misisca, 1B, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44
2629 H, 640 2B, 397 HR, 1787 RBI, 1419 R, 464 K, 759 BB, 26 SB, .286 AVG, .836 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 1, HR 4, RBI 3
Career Top 10: HR, RBI

John Schmeider, LF, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 61
2972 H, 462 2B, 239 HR, 1660 RBI, 1615 R, 990 K, 1564 BB, 149 SB, .306 AVG, .857 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 2, HR 1, RBI 1, BB 2
Career Top 10: RBI, BB

Froggy Borgert, CF, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 24
1746 H, 343 2B, 286 HR, 1190 RBI, 952 R, 931 K, 341 BB, 86 SB, .259 AVG, .762 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE

Brian Roberge, 3B, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 37
2068 H, 290 2B, 161 HR, 1217 RBI, 908 R, 177 K, 446 BB, 15 SB, .299 AVG, .771 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: RBI 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Bill "The Imp" Sheeder, CF, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 47
2102 H, 333 2B, 47 HR, 789 RBI, 1003 R, 474 K, 475 BB, 463 SB, .338 AVG, .845 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 2, 3B 2
Career Top 10: NONE

Rip Rogers, RF, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 31
2131 H, 458 2B, 62 HR, 809 RBI, 1149 R, 166 K, 507 BB, 274 SB, .299 AVG, .775 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Sam Kass, CF, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 63
3062 H, 540 2B, 297 HR, 1847 RBI, 1653 R, 784 K, 816 BB, 184 SB, .293 AVG, .829 OPS
BOY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, 3B 1, HR 1, RBI 2, Runs 1
Career Top 10: HR, RBI

Harry Finley, C, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44
1982 H, 373 2B, 87 HR, 910 RBI, 1139 R, 788 K, 508 BB, 632 SB, .288 AVG, .761 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 10
Pennants: 7
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 2
Career Top 10: NONE

Pitchers

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 400
K: 3231
CG: 601
SHO: 95

"Nasty Ned" Fargo, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 46
322-261, 55.2%, 3.99 ERA, 5502 IP, 1073 BB, 1482 K, 415 CG, 31 SHO, 1.24 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 5, CG 2
Career Top 10: NONE

NEW

Brett Smith, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 42
264-180, 59.5%, 3.62 ERA, 4271 IP, 1264 BB, 1721 K, 378 CG, 33 SHO, 1.33 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Wins 1, IP 2, CG 1, SHO 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Cliff Umbaugh, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 24
200-160, 55.6%, 3.90 ERA, 3323.2 IP, 1144 BB, 1312 K, 259 CG, 19 SHO, 1.39 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 1, Wins 1, CG 1, SHO 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Bourbon Allen, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 55
390-322, 54.8%, 3.58 ERA, 6697 IP, 1469 BB, 2128 K, 525 CG, 52 SHO, 1.25 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 1, Wins 2, IP 2, CG 1, SHO 2
Career Top 10: Wins, CG

Elendil · 09-23-2004, 04:40 PM

"Ray of Light" Brown
Jerry "Slap" Hertzog
Glendon "Bull" Zegri
Dale "The Wizard" Reneau
Roy "The Natural" Hobbs
Jon Minzey
Troy Kinnear
John Schmeider
Sam Kass
Bourbon Allen

Ankhiel · 09-23-2004, 04:47 PM

Jerry "Slap" Hertzog
Glendon "Bull" Zegri
Dale "The Wizard" Reneau
Roy "The Natural" Hobbs
Jon Minzey
John Schmeider
Sam Kass
"Nasty Ned" Fargo
Bourbon Allen

m0ng00se · 09-23-2004, 04:48 PM

Had a hard time narrowing down to a handful this time, so I'll go with these eight.

Hitters
1-Roy "The Natural" Hobbs, CF
2-Sam Kass, CF
3-"Ray of Light" Brown, CF
4-Quenton Misisca, 1B
5-John Schmeider, LF
6-Willard Schwarz, C

Pitchers
1-Bourbon Allen
2-"Nasty Ned" Fargo

EDIT: OOOPs, voted for brown twice... corrected.

lgkeeper · 09-23-2004, 04:48 PM

Brown
Fargo
Allen

How 11 gold gloves and a .300 average (see Ozzie Smith) has gotten overlooked is beyond me. Brown should have been in a while ago.

DamnYankees · 09-23-2004, 04:56 PM

Sam Kass
Bourbon Allen

Vris · 09-23-2004, 05:00 PM

Here we go again....possibly my favorite part about this whole damn game....

My ten

"Ray of Light" Brown
"Slap" Hertzog
"Cookie" Parrish
"The Wizard" Reneau
"The Natural" Hobbs
Harry Finley (10 gold gloves?)
Bourbon Allen
Quentin Misisca
Willard Schwarz
Sam Kass

wow.....these classes keep getting better and better (and tougher and tougher to vote!)

p.s. What year does "Dodge" Lee eligible?

tward13 · 09-23-2004, 05:12 PM

Schwarz
Zegri
Hobbs
Minzey
Kass
B. Allen
Schmeider

Matt from TN · 09-23-2004, 05:14 PM

Brown
Hertzog
Zegri
Schwarz
Hobbs
Misisca - Look at all those HR, 2B, RBI and SLG leaderboards! I am shocked he never won a BOTY, but he was a force in the AL for years and #2 all-time in HR's
Schmeider
Kass
Finley - 10 GG's, 7 pennants and 5 WS wins. Plus a .288 AVG, 1139 R and a whopping 632 SB for a catcher! Defense and offense. Was a Yankees sparkplug atop their order thru most of their 2nd dynasty.
Smith

While he will eventually get in, this year I'm purposely snubbing Bourbon Allen because he reminds me of Will Haggan. Bourbon's better than Haggan was, but outside of his 1928 POTY season, Allan was never really excellent. He had some very good years from 1926-33, but a whopping 322 losses and the fact that many of his great stats (all-time wins and CG) are due to longevity more than superb quality, makes me hesitant to vote for him right away.

Vris · 09-23-2004, 05:17 PM

John Scmeider was one of the all time great Braves and I have a hard time picking between him and Hobbs. There are also so many great other stories that should be in the hall. I have a good feeling Schmeider will be in soon. He will have a spot next to Bourbon and Roy in the Braves HOF.

rogmax11 · 09-23-2004, 05:23 PM

Allen
Brown
Hertzog
Hobbs
Kass
Kinnear
Minzey
Misisca
Reneau
Zegri

BPS · 09-23-2004, 05:30 PM

Hertzog
Zegri
Hobbs

scprideandms · 09-23-2004, 06:05 PM

Hertzog
Reneau
Hobbs
Schmeider
Kass
and of course multiple votes for Bourbon!!!!!

rogmax11 · 09-23-2004, 06:15 PM

Anybody named "Bourbon" deserves a shot.

haggis007 · 09-23-2004, 07:01 PM

Brown
Hertzog
Zegri
Schwarz
Misisca
Kass
Finley

Allen
Fargo

ifspuds · 09-23-2004, 08:57 PM

Brown
Zegri
Hobbs
Reneau
Misisca (c'mon, that's a LOT of homers in this league)
Schmeider
Kass

metsgeek · 09-23-2004, 10:27 PM

Brown
Hertzog
Zegri
Hobbs
Kass
Reneau
Misisca
Minzey
Sheeder
Graves

No pitchers this year. Maybe I'll vote for Bourbon later, but those 322 losses just kill him for me on his first ballot.

Vris · 09-23-2004, 11:01 PM

How can you vote for Misisca, but not Schwarz? Aren't the essentially of the same mold?

Dagrims · 09-24-2004, 09:13 AM

Brown
Hobbs
Kinnear
Kass
Allen

fhomess · 09-24-2004, 11:05 AM

CF "Ray of Light" Brown
RF Nick Graves
2B Jerry, "Slap" Hertzog
CF Roy "The Natural" Hobbs
CF Sam Kass
3B Troy Kinnear
1B Quentin Misisca
LF John Schmeider
LF Gendon "Bull" Zegri

SP Bourbon Allen

09-23-2004, 04:18 PM	#1
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1947 1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results In 1947, the first players were elected to the RL HOF by the BBWAA since Hornsby in 1942. They were Carl Hubbell, Frankie Frisch, Mickey Cochrane and Lefty Grove. All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1947 (retired after 1941 season). All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected. Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10. HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max. Batters Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): AVG: .364 Hits: 4000 HR: 555 RBI: 1887 2B: 665 BB: 1936 R: 2004 SB: 924 "Ray of Light" Brown, CF, Last Season: 1926, HOF Standard: 49 2526 H, 339 2B, 130 HR, 1155 RBI, 1314 R, 969 K, 828 BB, 167 SB, .300 AVG, .836 OPS BOY Award: 2 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 11 Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 2, Hits 2, 3B 1, HR 2, Runs 1 Career Top 10: 3B Jerry "Slap" Hertzog, 2B, Last Season: 1937, HOF Standard: 61 2510 H, 395 2B, 122 HR, 1187 RBI, 1491 R, 899 K, 1509 BB, 41 SB, .314 AVG, .872 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1 Gold Gloves: 3 Pennants: 4 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OBP 1, BB 7 Career Top 10: BB Willard Schwarz, C, Last Season: 1937, HOF Standard: 41 2050 H, 359 2B, 340 HR, 1399 RBI, 1106 R, 614 K, 595 BB, 14 SB, .260 AVG, .760 OPS BOY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 8 Pennants: 6 WS Victories: 5 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, HR 3, RBI 1, R 1 Career Top 10: HR Glendon "Bull" Zegri, LF, Last Season: 1938, HOF Standard: 58 2934 H, 657 2B, 212 HR, 1713 RBI, 1503 R, 454 K, 1560 BB, 25 SB, .304 AVG, .844 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 4 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: RBI, 2B, BB Nick Graves, RF, Last Season: 1938, HOF Standard: 52 2356 H, 527 2B, 207 HR, 1408 RBI, 1208 R, 775 K, 784 BB, 110 SB, .312 AVG, .877 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1 Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 1 Career Top 10: NONE Howard "Cookie" Parrish, 1B, Last Season: 1939, HOF Standard: 36 2082 H, 481 2B, 228 HR, 1171 RBI, 1010 R, 423 K, 576 BB, 6 SB, .312 AVG, .860 OPS BOY Award: 2 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, 2B 1, RBI 1 Career Top 10: NONE Dale "The Wizard" Reneau, SS, Last Season: 1939, HOF Standard: 63 2784 H, 340 2B, 91 HR, 1057 RBI, 1467 R, 693 K, 919 BB, 557 SB, .317 AVG, .829 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 3 Pennants: 6 WS Victories: 5 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 2, Runs 1, SB 2 Career Top 10: NONE Roy "The Natural" Hobbs, CF, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 71 2992 H, 442 2B, 221 HR, 1660 RBI, 1585 R, 717 K, 1209 BB, 206 SB, .315 AVG, .865 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OPS 1, RBI 2 Career Top 10: RBI Jon Minzey, CF, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57 2988 H, 430 2B, 54 HR, 1098 RBI, 1568 R, 600 K, 710 BB, 364 SB, .316 AVG, .801 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 4 Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 1 Career Top 10: NONE Troy Kinnear, 3B, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57 2412 H, 602 2B, 332 HR, 1595 RBI, 1423 R, 933 K, 1407 BB, 46 SB, .272 AVG, .858 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 1, HR 1, BB 1 Career Top 10: 2B, HR NEW Quenton Misisca, 1B, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44 2629 H, 640 2B, 397 HR, 1787 RBI, 1419 R, 464 K, 759 BB, 26 SB, .286 AVG, .836 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 1, HR 4, RBI 3 Career Top 10: HR, RBI John Schmeider, LF, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 61 2972 H, 462 2B, 239 HR, 1660 RBI, 1615 R, 990 K, 1564 BB, 149 SB, .306 AVG, .857 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 2, HR 1, RBI 1, BB 2 Career Top 10: RBI, BB Froggy Borgert, CF, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 24 1746 H, 343 2B, 286 HR, 1190 RBI, 952 R, 931 K, 341 BB, 86 SB, .259 AVG, .762 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: NONE Brian Roberge, 3B, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 37 2068 H, 290 2B, 161 HR, 1217 RBI, 908 R, 177 K, 446 BB, 15 SB, .299 AVG, .771 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: RBI 1 Career Top 10: NONE Bill "The Imp" Sheeder, CF, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 47 2102 H, 333 2B, 47 HR, 789 RBI, 1003 R, 474 K, 475 BB, 463 SB, .338 AVG, .845 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 2, 3B 2 Career Top 10: NONE Rip Rogers, RF, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 31 2131 H, 458 2B, 62 HR, 809 RBI, 1149 R, 166 K, 507 BB, 274 SB, .299 AVG, .775 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 3 Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 1 Career Top 10: NONE Sam Kass, CF, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 63 3062 H, 540 2B, 297 HR, 1847 RBI, 1653 R, 784 K, 816 BB, 184 SB, .293 AVG, .829 OPS BOY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, 3B 1, HR 1, RBI 2, Runs 1 Career Top 10: HR, RBI Harry Finley, C, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44 1982 H, 373 2B, 87 HR, 910 RBI, 1139 R, 788 K, 508 BB, 632 SB, .288 AVG, .761 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 10 Pennants: 7 WS Victories: 5 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 2 Career Top 10: NONE Pitchers Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): ERA: 2.10 W: 400 K: 3231 CG: 601 SHO: 95 "Nasty Ned" Fargo, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 46 322-261, 55.2%, 3.99 ERA, 5502 IP, 1073 BB, 1482 K, 415 CG, 31 SHO, 1.24 WHIP POY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 5, CG 2 Career Top 10: NONE NEW Brett Smith, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 42 264-180, 59.5%, 3.62 ERA, 4271 IP, 1264 BB, 1721 K, 378 CG, 33 SHO, 1.33 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: Wins 1, IP 2, CG 1, SHO 1 Career Top 10: NONE Cliff Umbaugh, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 24 200-160, 55.6%, 3.90 ERA, 3323.2 IP, 1144 BB, 1312 K, 259 CG, 19 SHO, 1.39 WHIP POY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 1, Wins 1, CG 1, SHO 1 Career Top 10: NONE Bourbon Allen, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 55 390-322, 54.8%, 3.58 ERA, 6697 IP, 1469 BB, 2128 K, 525 CG, 52 SHO, 1.25 WHIP POY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 1, Wins 2, IP 2, CG 1, SHO 2 Career Top 10: Wins, CG __________________ Set in Stone... 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09-23-2004, 04:47 PM	#3
Ankhiel Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 470	Jerry "Slap" Hertzog Glendon "Bull" Zegri Dale "The Wizard" Reneau Roy "The Natural" Hobbs Jon Minzey John Schmeider Sam Kass "Nasty Ned" Fargo Bourbon Allen __________________ GM - TWB Expos Join the fun

09-23-2004, 04:48 PM	#4
m0ng00se Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oregon USA Posts: 383	Had a hard time narrowing down to a handful this time, so I'll go with these eight. Hitters 1-Roy "The Natural" Hobbs, CF 2-Sam Kass, CF 3-"Ray of Light" Brown, CF 4-Quenton Misisca, 1B 5-John Schmeider, LF 6-Willard Schwarz, C Pitchers 1-Bourbon Allen 2-"Nasty Ned" Fargo EDIT: OOOPs, voted for brown twice... corrected. __________________ Michael AKA m0ng00se - Former TWB Detroit Tigers GM (1946-1964) Pennants: 1948, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1962, 1963, 1964 -- Titles: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1963

09-23-2004, 05:14 PM	#9
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Brown Hertzog Zegri Schwarz Hobbs Misisca - Look at all those HR, 2B, RBI and SLG leaderboards! I am shocked he never won a BOTY, but he was a force in the AL for years and #2 all-time in HR's Schmeider Kass Finley - 10 GG's, 7 pennants and 5 WS wins. Plus a .288 AVG, 1139 R and a whopping 632 SB for a catcher! Defense and offense. Was a Yankees sparkplug atop their order thru most of their 2nd dynasty. Smith While he will eventually get in, this year I'm purposely snubbing Bourbon Allen because he reminds me of Will Haggan. Bourbon's better than Haggan was, but outside of his 1928 POTY season, Allan was never really excellent. He had some very good years from 1926-33, but a whopping 322 losses and the fact that many of his great stats (all-time wins and CG) are due to longevity more than superb quality, makes me hesitant to vote for him right away. __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

09-23-2004, 06:05 PM	#13
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	Hertzog Reneau Hobbs Schmeider Kass and of course multiple votes for Bourbon!!!!! __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

09-23-2004, 04:40 PM	#2
Elendil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the dynasty forum Posts: 2,318	"Ray of Light" Brown Jerry "Slap" Hertzog Glendon "Bull" Zegri Dale "The Wizard" Reneau Roy "The Natural" Hobbs Jon Minzey Troy Kinnear John Schmeider Sam Kass Bourbon Allen

09-23-2004, 04:48 PM	#5
lgkeeper All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: My front porch lookin' in Posts: 1,137	Brown Fargo Allen How 11 gold gloves and a .300 average (see Ozzie Smith) has gotten overlooked is beyond me. Brown should have been in a while ago.

09-23-2004, 04:56 PM	#6
DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	Sam Kass Bourbon Allen

09-23-2004, 05:00 PM	#7
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	Here we go again....possibly my favorite part about this whole damn game.... My ten "Ray of Light" Brown "Slap" Hertzog "Cookie" Parrish "The Wizard" Reneau "The Natural" Hobbs Harry Finley (10 gold gloves?) Bourbon Allen Quentin Misisca Willard Schwarz Sam Kass wow.....these classes keep getting better and better (and tougher and tougher to vote!) p.s. What year does "Dodge" Lee eligible?

09-23-2004, 05:12 PM	#8
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Schwarz Zegri Hobbs Minzey Kass B. Allen Schmeider

09-23-2004, 05:17 PM	#10
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	John Scmeider was one of the all time great Braves and I have a hard time picking between him and Hobbs. There are also so many great other stories that should be in the hall. I have a good feeling Schmeider will be in soon. He will have a spot next to Bourbon and Roy in the Braves HOF.

09-23-2004, 05:23 PM	#11
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	Allen Brown Hertzog Hobbs Kass Kinnear Minzey Misisca Reneau Zegri

09-23-2004, 05:30 PM	#12
BPS All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 717	Hertzog Zegri Hobbs

09-23-2004, 06:15 PM	#14
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	Anybody named "Bourbon" deserves a shot.

09-23-2004, 07:01 PM	#15
haggis007 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 115	Brown Hertzog Zegri Schwarz Misisca Kass Finley Allen Fargo

09-23-2004, 08:57 PM	#16
ifspuds Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 2,117	Brown Zegri Hobbs Reneau Misisca (c'mon, that's a LOT of homers in this league) Schmeider Kass __________________ Jeff Watson Former dynasty writer and online league player, now mostly retired

09-23-2004, 10:27 PM	#17
metsgeek Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norwood, MA Posts: 5,450	Brown Hertzog Zegri Hobbs Kass Reneau Misisca Minzey Sheeder Graves No pitchers this year. Maybe I'll vote for Bourbon later, but those 322 losses just kill him for me on his first ballot. __________________ Commissioner - PBRL - Just finished 2009 109 seasons and still running strong!!!

09-23-2004, 11:01 PM	#18
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	How can you vote for Misisca, but not Schwarz? Aren't the essentially of the same mold?

09-24-2004, 09:13 AM	#19
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,827	Brown Hobbs Kinnear Kass Allen __________________ "Read books, get brain."

09-24-2004, 11:05 AM	#20
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,678	CF "Ray of Light" Brown RF Nick Graves 2B Jerry, "Slap" Hertzog CF Roy "The Natural" Hobbs CF Sam Kass 3B Troy Kinnear 1B Quentin Misisca LF John Schmeider LF Gendon "Bull" Zegri SP Bourbon Allen __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.