VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1950

Matt from TN · 12-16-2004, 12:33 AM

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results,
1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results,
1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results

No players were elected to the RL HOF in 1950 by either the BBWAA or VC.

All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1950 (retired after 1944 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max.

Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .364
Hits: 4000
HR: 557
RBI: 1906
2B: 665
BB: 1962
R: 2004
SB: 1050

Willard Schwarz, C, Last Season: 1937, HOF Standard: 41
2050 H, 359 2B, 340 HR, 1399 RBI, 1106 R, 614 K, 595 BB, 14 SB, .260 AVG, .760 OPS
BOY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 8
Pennants: 6
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, HR 3, RBI 1, R 1
Career Top 10: HR

Glendon "Bull" Zegri, LF, Last Season: 1938, HOF Standard: 58
2934 H, 657 2B, 212 HR, 1713 RBI, 1503 R, 454 K, 1560 BB, 25 SB, .304 AVG, .844 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: RBI, 2B, BB

Nick Graves, RF, Last Season: 1938, HOF Standard: 52
2356 H, 527 2B, 207 HR, 1408 RBI, 1208 R, 775 K, 784 BB, 110 SB, .312 AVG, .877 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Howard "Cookie" Parrish, 1B, Last Season: 1939, HOF Standard: 36
2082 H, 481 2B, 228 HR, 1171 RBI, 1010 R, 423 K, 576 BB, 6 SB, .312 AVG, .860 OPS
BOY Award: 2
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, 2B 1, RBI 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Jon Minzey, CF, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57
2988 H, 430 2B, 54 HR, 1098 RBI, 1568 R, 600 K, 710 BB, 364 SB, .316 AVG, .801 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Troy Kinnear, 3B, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57
2412 H, 602 2B, 332 HR, 1595 RBI, 1423 R, 933 K, 1407 BB, 46 SB, .272 AVG, .858 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 1, HR 1, BB 1
Career Top 10: 2B, HR

Quenton Misisca, 1B, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44
2629 H, 640 2B, 397 HR, 1787 RBI, 1419 R, 464 K, 759 BB, 26 SB, .286 AVG, .836 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 1, HR 4, RBI 3
Career Top 10: HR, RBI

Harry Finley, C, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44
1982 H, 373 2B, 87 HR, 910 RBI, 1139 R, 788 K, 508 BB, 632 SB, .288 AVG, .761 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 10
Pennants: 7
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 2
Career Top 10: NONE

Dave "Red Fox" Arkless, CF, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 55
2439 H, 401 2B, 285 HR, 1292 RBI, 1418 R, 453 K, 1036 BB, 140 SB, .297 AVG, .855 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 7
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: Hits 2, Runs 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Clarence Davis, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 34
1202 H, 193 2B, 43 HR, 510 RBI, 530 R, 262 K, 227 BB, 118 SB, .337 AVG, .844 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 6
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 1, 3B 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 57
2510 H, 541 2B, 68 HR, 888 RBI, 1352 R, 648 K, 514 BB, 657 SB, .318 AVG, .816 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1928
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1, Runs 3
Career Top 10: NONE

Adolf "The Human Torch" Greisbach, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 60
2847 H, 384 2B, 53 HR, 898 RBI, 1311 R, 573 K, 1026 BB, 221 SB, .346 AVG, .853 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 4
Career Top 10: AVG

Wolter "Boeken" Tjeenk-Willink, LF, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 30
1732 H, 332 2B, 97 HR, 834 RBI, 740 R, 417 K, 435 BB, 33 SB, .340 AVG, .876 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE

NEW

Daniel Lutzke, 1B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 18
1713 H, 371 2B, 321 HR, 1273 RBI, 1136 R, 570 K, 827 BB, 164 SB, .240 AVG, .776 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 1, HR 5, RBI 2
Career Top 10: HR

"Bootleg" Bill Simard, 1B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 31
2307 H, 392 2B, 194 HR, 1229 RBI, 1261 R, 708 K, 855 BB, 146 SB, .285 AVG, .785 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, Runs 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Dud Dietzsch, C, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 42
2403 H, 294 2B, 130 HR, 1048 RBI, 1122 R, 1055 K, 682 BB, 131 SB, .286 AVG, .733 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE

Jamie Kubic, SS, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 39
2063 H, 315 2B, 63 HR, 789 RBI, 1054 R, 213 K, 940 BB, 215 SB, .290 AVG, .753 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 5
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE

Eric Teeuw, SS/3B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 32
1847 H, 372 2B, 37 HR, 801 RBI, 807 R, 564 K, 400 BB, 61 SB, .300 AVG, .761 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE

Hank Faver, 1B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 30
1773 H, 298 2B, 145 HR, 915 RBI, 959 R, 419 K, 854 BB, 16 SB, .307 AVG, .855 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 1
Career Top 10: NONE

F.X. Ditty, 2B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 42
2128 H, 309 2B, 59 HR, 788 RBI, 902 R, 390 K, 696 BB, 33 SB, .329 AVG, .803 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Kid Fite, 2B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 81
3699 H, 472 2B, 243 HR, 1683 RBI, 1962 R, 395 K, 1487 BB, 472 SB, .329 AVG, .878 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: OBP 3, OPS 1, Hits 1, Runs 2
Career Top 10: Hits, RBI, Walks, Runs

George "The General" Ward, RF, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 58
3374 H, 456 2B, 120 HR, 1392 RBI, 1572 R, 798 K, 1171 BB, 21 SB, .327 AVG, .832 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 5
Led League in: OBP 1, OPS 1, Hits 2
Career Top 10: Hits

Pitchers

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 424
K: 3231
CG: 601
SHO: 95

"Nasty Ned" Fargo, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 46
322-261, 55.2%, 3.99 ERA, 5502 IP, 1073 BB, 1482 K, 415 CG, 31 SHO, 1.24 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 5, CG 2
Career Top 10: NONE

Luke Riley, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 53
272-138, 66.3%, 3.34 ERA, 3746.2 IP, 967 BB, 1611 K, 350 CG, 39 SHO, 1.24 WHIP
POY Award: 2
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 6
WS Victories: 5
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 1, Wins 3, IP 1, K's 1, CG 4, SHO 2
Career Top 10: NONE

Terry Schukraft, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 51
332-255, 56.6%, 3.73 ERA, 5516.2 IP, 1764 BB, 2056 K, 428 CG, 39 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 4
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: IP 1, CG 2, SHO 1
Career Top 10: Wins

Ken "Stuffy" Zinn, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 46
283-201, 58.5%, 3.35 ERA, 4621.1 IP, 1011 BB, 1440 K, 374 CG, 35 SHO, 1.26 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 1, SHO 3
Career Top 10: NONE

NEW

Jethro "Dodge" Lee, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 80
400-207, 65.9%, 2.85 ERA, 5709.2 IP, 1421 BB, 3231 K, 523 CG, 58 SHO, 1.14 WHIP
POY Award: 6
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
No-Hitters: 2
Led League in: ERA 7, WHIP 5, Wins 3, IP 3, K's 11, CG 3, SHO 4
Career Top 10: Wins, K's, CG, SHO

Art Booth, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 48
284-165, 63.3%, 3.64 ERA, 4262.1 IP, 1402 BB, 1758 K, 339 CG, 30 SHO, 1.34 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 6
WS Victories: 4
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 1, IP 1, CG 1, SHO 2
Career Top 10: NONE

George Cone, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 23
209-178, 54.0%, 3.62 ERA, 3635.2 IP, 1196 BB, 969 K, 316 CG, 28 SHO, 1.37 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Wins 1, CG 1, SHO 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Bill "Tex" Blakemore, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 25
215-205, 51.2%, 3.82 ERA, 3950.2 IP, 845 BB, 1675 K, 300 CG, 22 SHO, 1.25 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE

Matt from TN · 12-16-2004, 12:36 AM

I would like to point out that the highest HOF Standard score ever reached in TWB was 84 by the great Andrew Murphy. After him comes 78 by Ben "Rabbi" Baum. Woody Woodson was a 69, Whiskey Allen a 72 and Tim Lopresto a 74.

This year we have the 2nd highest score ever with Kid Fite's 81 followed by the 3rd highest ever in Jethro Lee's 80!!

metsgeek · 12-16-2004, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

I would like to point out that the highest HOF Standard score ever reached in TWB was 84 by the great Andrew Murphy. After him comes 78 by Ben "Rabbi" Baum. Woody Woodson was a 69, Whiskey Allen a 72 and Tim Lopresto a 74.

This year we have the 2nd highest score ever with Kid Fite's 81 followed by the 3rd highest ever in Jethro Lee's 80!!

I would not be surprised if either of them get 100%

Here are my votes:

Fite
Zegri
Minzey
Kinnear
Arkless
Greisbach
Bowden
Ward
Lee
Riley

Operation Shutdown · 12-16-2004, 11:00 AM

C Willard Schwarz
CF Dave "Red Fox" Arkless
SS Adolf "The Human Torch" Greisbach
SP Terry Schukraft
2B Kid Fite
RF George "The General" Ward
SP Jethro "Dodge" Lee

Carlton · 12-16-2004, 11:08 AM

Fite
Lee
Fargo
Schwarz
Zegri
Parrish
Kinnear (one of the best 3b of all time)

benchwarmer · 12-16-2004, 11:13 AM

I'm on track with metsgeek;
Fite
Zegri
Minzey
Kinnear
Arkless
Greisbach
Bowden
Ward
Lee
Riley

Vris · 12-16-2004, 12:46 PM

"Dodge" Lee
"General" Ward
Kid Fite
Troy Kinnear
Harry Finley
Luke Riley
"Cookie" Parrish -- will vote for him until he falls off the ballot...I just don't care

ehh...that's probably fine...I'd like to vote for Dietzsch, so that every important member of the 1931 Braves makes the HOF, but maybe next year

rogmax11 · 12-16-2004, 12:53 PM

The no-brainers:

Fite
Jethro Lee
Ward
Greisbach
Zegri

The brainers:

Riley
Kinnear
Schukraft
Schwarz
Finley

tward13 · 12-16-2004, 01:05 PM

Misisca
Greisback
Fite
Ward
Fargo
Riley
Schukraft
Lee
Booth

haggis007 · 12-16-2004, 01:43 PM

Fite
Lee
Ward
Riley
Schwarz
Zegri
Kinnear
Misisca
Finley
Greisbach

metsgeek · 12-16-2004, 02:10 PM

I really wanted to vote for my great-uncle F.X., but this year's crop was too darn strong. Hopefully he'll make it to next year, or the VC. He is a prime example of someone who lost out due to the war....just like Wolter Tjeenk-Willink. He joined late (1944), but never came back, despite being only 34.

scprideandms · 12-16-2004, 02:29 PM

Lee
Fite

BPS · 12-16-2004, 02:59 PM

Zegri
Lee
Fite
Minzey
Greisbach
Riley
Kinnear
Bowden
Ward

Matt from TN · 12-16-2004, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsgeek

I really wanted to vote for my great-uncle F.X., but this year's crop was too darn strong. Hopefully he'll make it to next year, or the VC. He is a prime example of someone who lost out due to the war....just like Wolter Tjeenk-Willink. He joined late (1944), but never came back, despite being only 34.

Hank Faver did too... He was really developing when he went off, never to return.

m0ng00se · 12-16-2004, 03:37 PM

Jethro Lee, SP
Kid Fite, 2B
Adolf Greisbach, SS
George Ward, RF
Willard Schwarz, C
Glendon Zegri, LF
Troy Kinnear, 3B
Quenton Misisca, 1B
Terry Schukraft, SP

haggis007 · 12-16-2004, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scprideandms

Lee
Fite

Man, tough crowd. That's a pretty tight vote given the batch of carryovers.

jdw · 12-16-2004, 07:00 PM

This needs to be corrected:

> Art Booth, Last Season: 1944,
> HOF Standard: 48
> 284-165, 63.3%, 3.64 ERA, 4262.1 IP,
> 1402 BB, 1758 K, 339 CG, 30 SHO, 1.34 WHIP
> POY Award: 1
> ROY Award: NONE
> Pennants: 6
> WS Victories: 4
> No-Hitters: NONE
> Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 1, IP 1, CG 1, SHO 2
> Career Top 10: NONE

He was 19-12 with the 1933 WS winning Yanks before:

Injured on 9/2/1933 with a Ruptured Elbow Ligament, out for 4-5 weeks...

This is one of my pet OOTP (not directed at Matt) peeves.

John

jdw · 12-16-2004, 07:08 PM

Kid Fite
Adolf Greisbach
Dodge Lee
Luke Riley
George Ward

I am tempted to vote for Terry Schukraft, but a certain Philly needs to make the argument for me. I do think he's a vastly better candidate than The Most Overrated Candidate In TWB HOF History - Willard Schwarz.

Art Booth is another close call. Like Schukraft he was an excellent pitcher on a great team. Artie at his best was better, but Schukraft was good for longer. Sort of two sides of the same coin. I think Luke Riley was a bit better than each of them, and the War cost him the ability to go past 300 wins like Terry. He was 36 when he headed off to war and never came back. Considering how far others pitched, and how they were able to age slowly, he's probably missing 50+ wins from his record.

John

PS: did I mention that Schwarz would be an embarassment in the HOF? Don't be fooled~!

bigjas · 12-16-2004, 08:45 PM

2B Kid Fite
RF George Ward
P Jethro Lee
LF Glendon Zegri
CF Jon Minzey
3B Troy Kinnear
CF Dave Arkless
SS Ricardo Bowden
SS Adolf Greisbach
P Luke Riley

Dagrims · 12-16-2004, 09:43 PM

Schwarz
Kinnear
Misisca
Greisbach
Fite
Riley
Lee

12-16-2004, 12:33 AM	#1
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1950 1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results No players were elected to the RL HOF in 1950 by either the BBWAA or VC. All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1950 (retired after 1944 season). All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected. Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10. HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max. Batters Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): AVG: .364 Hits: 4000 HR: 557 RBI: 1906 2B: 665 BB: 1962 R: 2004 SB: 1050 Willard Schwarz, C, Last Season: 1937, HOF Standard: 41 2050 H, 359 2B, 340 HR, 1399 RBI, 1106 R, 614 K, 595 BB, 14 SB, .260 AVG, .760 OPS BOY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 8 Pennants: 6 WS Victories: 5 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, HR 3, RBI 1, R 1 Career Top 10: HR Glendon "Bull" Zegri, LF, Last Season: 1938, HOF Standard: 58 2934 H, 657 2B, 212 HR, 1713 RBI, 1503 R, 454 K, 1560 BB, 25 SB, .304 AVG, .844 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 4 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: RBI, 2B, BB Nick Graves, RF, Last Season: 1938, HOF Standard: 52 2356 H, 527 2B, 207 HR, 1408 RBI, 1208 R, 775 K, 784 BB, 110 SB, .312 AVG, .877 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1 Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 1 Career Top 10: NONE Howard "Cookie" Parrish, 1B, Last Season: 1939, HOF Standard: 36 2082 H, 481 2B, 228 HR, 1171 RBI, 1010 R, 423 K, 576 BB, 6 SB, .312 AVG, .860 OPS BOY Award: 2 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, 2B 1, RBI 1 Career Top 10: NONE Jon Minzey, CF, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57 2988 H, 430 2B, 54 HR, 1098 RBI, 1568 R, 600 K, 710 BB, 364 SB, .316 AVG, .801 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 4 Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 1 Career Top 10: NONE Troy Kinnear, 3B, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57 2412 H, 602 2B, 332 HR, 1595 RBI, 1423 R, 933 K, 1407 BB, 46 SB, .272 AVG, .858 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 1, HR 1, BB 1 Career Top 10: 2B, HR Quenton Misisca, 1B, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44 2629 H, 640 2B, 397 HR, 1787 RBI, 1419 R, 464 K, 759 BB, 26 SB, .286 AVG, .836 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 1, HR 4, RBI 3 Career Top 10: HR, RBI Harry Finley, C, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44 1982 H, 373 2B, 87 HR, 910 RBI, 1139 R, 788 K, 508 BB, 632 SB, .288 AVG, .761 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 10 Pennants: 7 WS Victories: 5 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 2 Career Top 10: NONE Dave "Red Fox" Arkless, CF, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 55 2439 H, 401 2B, 285 HR, 1292 RBI, 1418 R, 453 K, 1036 BB, 140 SB, .297 AVG, .855 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 7 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: Hits 2, Runs 1 Career Top 10: NONE Clarence Davis, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 34 1202 H, 193 2B, 43 HR, 510 RBI, 530 R, 262 K, 227 BB, 118 SB, .337 AVG, .844 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 6 WS Victories: 5 Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 1, 3B 1 Career Top 10: NONE Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 57 2510 H, 541 2B, 68 HR, 888 RBI, 1352 R, 648 K, 514 BB, 657 SB, .318 AVG, .816 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1928 Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 2 Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1, Runs 3 Career Top 10: NONE Adolf "The Human Torch" Greisbach, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 60 2847 H, 384 2B, 53 HR, 898 RBI, 1311 R, 573 K, 1026 BB, 221 SB, .346 AVG, .853 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: 2 Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 4 Career Top 10: AVG Wolter "Boeken" Tjeenk-Willink, LF, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 30 1732 H, 332 2B, 97 HR, 834 RBI, 740 R, 417 K, 435 BB, 33 SB, .340 AVG, .876 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: NONE NEW Daniel Lutzke, 1B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 18 1713 H, 371 2B, 321 HR, 1273 RBI, 1136 R, 570 K, 827 BB, 164 SB, .240 AVG, .776 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 1, HR 5, RBI 2 Career Top 10: HR "Bootleg" Bill Simard, 1B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 31 2307 H, 392 2B, 194 HR, 1229 RBI, 1261 R, 708 K, 855 BB, 146 SB, .285 AVG, .785 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, Runs 1 Career Top 10: NONE Dud Dietzsch, C, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 42 2403 H, 294 2B, 130 HR, 1048 RBI, 1122 R, 1055 K, 682 BB, 131 SB, .286 AVG, .733 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: NONE Jamie Kubic, SS, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 39 2063 H, 315 2B, 63 HR, 789 RBI, 1054 R, 213 K, 940 BB, 215 SB, .290 AVG, .753 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 5 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: NONE Eric Teeuw, SS/3B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 32 1847 H, 372 2B, 37 HR, 801 RBI, 807 R, 564 K, 400 BB, 61 SB, .300 AVG, .761 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: NONE Hank Faver, 1B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 30 1773 H, 298 2B, 145 HR, 915 RBI, 959 R, 419 K, 854 BB, 16 SB, .307 AVG, .855 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OBP 1 Career Top 10: NONE F.X. Ditty, 2B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 42 2128 H, 309 2B, 59 HR, 788 RBI, 902 R, 390 K, 696 BB, 33 SB, .329 AVG, .803 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 1 Career Top 10: NONE Kid Fite, 2B, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 81 3699 H, 472 2B, 243 HR, 1683 RBI, 1962 R, 395 K, 1487 BB, 472 SB, .329 AVG, .878 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: 2 Led League in: OBP 3, OPS 1, Hits 1, Runs 2 Career Top 10: Hits, RBI, Walks, Runs George "The General" Ward, RF, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 58 3374 H, 456 2B, 120 HR, 1392 RBI, 1572 R, 798 K, 1171 BB, 21 SB, .327 AVG, .832 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: 5 Led League in: OBP 1, OPS 1, Hits 2 Career Top 10: Hits Pitchers Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): ERA: 2.10 W: 424 K: 3231 CG: 601 SHO: 95 "Nasty Ned" Fargo, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 46 322-261, 55.2%, 3.99 ERA, 5502 IP, 1073 BB, 1482 K, 415 CG, 31 SHO, 1.24 WHIP POY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 5, CG 2 Career Top 10: NONE Luke Riley, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 53 272-138, 66.3%, 3.34 ERA, 3746.2 IP, 967 BB, 1611 K, 350 CG, 39 SHO, 1.24 WHIP POY Award: 2 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 6 WS Victories: 5 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 1, Wins 3, IP 1, K's 1, CG 4, SHO 2 Career Top 10: NONE Terry Schukraft, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 51 332-255, 56.6%, 3.73 ERA, 5516.2 IP, 1764 BB, 2056 K, 428 CG, 39 SHO, 1.27 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 4 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: IP 1, CG 2, SHO 1 Career Top 10: Wins Ken "Stuffy" Zinn, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 46 283-201, 58.5%, 3.35 ERA, 4621.1 IP, 1011 BB, 1440 K, 374 CG, 35 SHO, 1.26 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: NONE No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 1, SHO 3 Career Top 10: NONE NEW Jethro "Dodge" Lee, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 80 400-207, 65.9%, 2.85 ERA, 5709.2 IP, 1421 BB, 3231 K, 523 CG, 58 SHO, 1.14 WHIP POY Award: 6 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 2 No-Hitters: 2 Led League in: ERA 7, WHIP 5, Wins 3, IP 3, K's 11, CG 3, SHO 4 Career Top 10: Wins, K's, CG, SHO Art Booth, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 48 284-165, 63.3%, 3.64 ERA, 4262.1 IP, 1402 BB, 1758 K, 339 CG, 30 SHO, 1.34 WHIP POY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 6 WS Victories: 4 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 1, IP 1, CG 1, SHO 2 Career Top 10: NONE George Cone, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 23 209-178, 54.0%, 3.62 ERA, 3635.2 IP, 1196 BB, 969 K, 316 CG, 28 SHO, 1.37 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: NONE No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: Wins 1, CG 1, SHO 1 Career Top 10: NONE Bill "Tex" Blakemore, Last Season: 1944, HOF Standard: 25 215-205, 51.2%, 3.82 ERA, 3950.2 IP, 845 BB, 1675 K, 300 CG, 22 SHO, 1.25 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: NONE

12-16-2004, 12:36 AM	#2
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	I would like to point out that the highest HOF Standard score ever reached in TWB was 84 by the great Andrew Murphy. After him comes 78 by Ben "Rabbi" Baum. Woody Woodson was a 69, Whiskey Allen a 72 and Tim Lopresto a 74. This year we have the 2nd highest score ever with Kid Fite's 81 followed by the 3rd highest ever in Jethro Lee's 80!! __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

12-16-2004, 11:00 AM	#4
Operation Shutdown All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 912	C Willard Schwarz CF Dave "Red Fox" Arkless SS Adolf "The Human Torch" Greisbach SP Terry Schukraft 2B Kid Fite RF George "The General" Ward SP Jethro "Dodge" Lee __________________ "And Shepherds we shall be, For thee, my Lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee, And teeming with souls shall it ever be. In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti."

12-16-2004, 11:08 AM	#5
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	Fite Lee Fargo Schwarz Zegri Parrish Kinnear (one of the best 3b of all time) __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

12-16-2004, 12:46 PM	#7
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	"Dodge" Lee "General" Ward Kid Fite Troy Kinnear Harry Finley Luke Riley "Cookie" Parrish -- will vote for him until he falls off the ballot...I just don't care ehh...that's probably fine...I'd like to vote for Dietzsch, so that every important member of the 1931 Braves makes the HOF, but maybe next year __________________ None Blog it.

12-16-2004, 11:13 AM	#6
benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	I'm on track with metsgeek; Fite Zegri Minzey Kinnear Arkless Greisbach Bowden Ward Lee Riley

12-16-2004, 12:53 PM	#8
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	The no-brainers: Fite Jethro Lee Ward Greisbach Zegri The brainers: Riley Kinnear Schukraft Schwarz Finley

12-16-2004, 01:05 PM	#9
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Misisca Greisback Fite Ward Fargo Riley Schukraft Lee Booth

12-16-2004, 01:43 PM	#10
haggis007 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 115	Fite Lee Ward Riley Schwarz Zegri Kinnear Misisca Finley Greisbach

12-16-2004, 02:10 PM	#11
metsgeek Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norwood, MA Posts: 5,450	I really wanted to vote for my great-uncle F.X., but this year's crop was too darn strong. Hopefully he'll make it to next year, or the VC. He is a prime example of someone who lost out due to the war....just like Wolter Tjeenk-Willink. He joined late (1944), but never came back, despite being only 34. __________________ Commissioner - PBRL - Just finished 2009 109 seasons and still running strong!!! Last edited by metsgeek; 12-16-2004 at 02:11 PM.

12-16-2004, 02:29 PM	#12
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	Lee Fite __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

12-16-2004, 02:59 PM	#13
BPS All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 717	Zegri Lee Fite Minzey Greisbach Riley Kinnear Bowden Ward

12-16-2004, 03:37 PM	#15
m0ng00se Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oregon USA Posts: 383	Jethro Lee, SP Kid Fite, 2B Adolf Greisbach, SS George Ward, RF Willard Schwarz, C Glendon Zegri, LF Troy Kinnear, 3B Quenton Misisca, 1B Terry Schukraft, SP __________________ Michael AKA m0ng00se - Former TWB Detroit Tigers GM (1946-1964) Pennants: 1948, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1962, 1963, 1964 -- Titles: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1963

12-16-2004, 07:00 PM	#17
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	This needs to be corrected: > Art Booth, Last Season: 1944, > HOF Standard: 48 > 284-165, 63.3%, 3.64 ERA, 4262.1 IP, > 1402 BB, 1758 K, 339 CG, 30 SHO, 1.34 WHIP > POY Award: 1 > ROY Award: NONE > Pennants: 6 > WS Victories: 4 > No-Hitters: NONE > Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 1, IP 1, CG 1, SHO 2 > Career Top 10: NONE He was 19-12 with the 1933 WS winning Yanks before: Injured on 9/2/1933 with a Ruptured Elbow Ligament, out for 4-5 weeks... This is one of my pet OOTP (not directed at Matt) peeves. John Last edited by jdw; 12-16-2004 at 07:08 PM.

12-16-2004, 07:08 PM	#18
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Kid Fite Adolf Greisbach Dodge Lee Luke Riley George Ward I am tempted to vote for Terry Schukraft, but a certain Philly needs to make the argument for me. I do think he's a vastly better candidate than The Most Overrated Candidate In TWB HOF History - Willard Schwarz. Art Booth is another close call. Like Schukraft he was an excellent pitcher on a great team. Artie at his best was better, but Schukraft was good for longer. Sort of two sides of the same coin. I think Luke Riley was a bit better than each of them, and the War cost him the ability to go past 300 wins like Terry. He was 36 when he headed off to war and never came back. Considering how far others pitched, and how they were able to age slowly, he's probably missing 50+ wins from his record. John PS: did I mention that Schwarz would be an embarassment in the HOF? Don't be fooled~!

12-16-2004, 08:45 PM	#19
bigjas Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olive Hill, KY Posts: 279	2B Kid Fite RF George Ward P Jethro Lee LF Glendon Zegri CF Jon Minzey 3B Troy Kinnear CF Dave Arkless SS Ricardo Bowden SS Adolf Greisbach P Luke Riley

12-16-2004, 09:43 PM	#20
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,827	Schwarz Kinnear Misisca Greisbach Fite Riley Lee __________________ "Read books, get brain."