Time Warp HOF Ballot 1973

jdw · 05-30-2007, 06:17 PM

The Time Warp Baseball League is back up and running with the blessing of its founder, Matt. This is the annual Hall of Fame thread.

This year's class includes:

(a) the All-Time Home Run King hitting the ballot even as his record is being chased

(b) the winner of the most games in the Post War (a/k/a "Live") Era of TWB

(c) the third man to win four straight Pitcher of the Years Awards. The only other two do have done it are the All-Time Wins holder Frank Smith form 1937-40, and the man the award is now named after in honor of: the Great One Andrew Murphy winning six straight from 1912-17.

Have at it.

John

jdw · 05-30-2007, 06:18 PM

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results, 1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results, 1956 Results, 1957 Results, 1958 Results, 1959 Results, 1960 Results (lost in board crash), 1961 Results, 1962 Results, 1963 Results, 1964 Results, 1965 Results, 1966 Results, 1967 Results, 1968 Results, 1969 Results, 1970 Results, 1971 Results, 1972 Results

All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1970 (retired after 1964 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

PLEASE NOTE:
Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII

Note: OPS+ and ERA+ are listed for all players now. 100 is considered league average. The higher the # the better the player. This lets you see how they did in relation to the players of their generation while also letting you compare their dominance of the league to players from different eras.

jdw · 05-30-2007, 06:18 PM

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

189 - Woody Woodson
186 - Ray Kress
166 - Dark Horse Allen
163 - Jason Tedford
159 - Whitey Kohse
158 - Oscar Vancini
156 - Charlton Brown
152 - Jed Burke
152 - Patrick Seifried
149 - Genaro Nunez
148 - Whiskey Allen
148 - Ken Chaucer
147 - Lonny Arrendale
146 - Peaches Badeau
145 - Blake Crocitto
142 - Hershel Lee
141 - Ben Baum
141 - Tee Carver
141 - Ogden Wing
140 - Bud Breckenridge
140 - John Falise
140 - Ray Brown
140 - Scott Podlasek
140 - Dale Lamberty
140 - Bobby Martin
139 - Dewey Mickelsen
139 - Tom Howard
138 - Tyrell Chestnut
138 - Wolter Tjeenk-Willink
138 - John Degal
137 - Kid Fite
137 - Will Miller
137 - Steven Bussell
137 - Ted McMurray
136 - Harry Cohan
136 - Jared Jarry
135 - John Klehammer
135 - Jimmy Ditty
134 - Carl Kahle
133 - Slap Hertzog
133 - Flaky Arsenault
133 - Roy Hobbs
133 - Dave Arkless
133 - Matt Perly
133 - Mark Silcox
132 - Adolf Greisbach
132 - John Schmieder
132 - Cookie Parrish
131 - Chuck Rauch
131 - Nick Graves
131 - Hans Habermehl
130 - Sunny Davie
129 - Tom Turley
129 - George Ward
129 - Ping Hung
129 - Herman Dunkel
129 - Moonlight Graham
128 - Morris Lutske
127 - Campbell Ditty
127 - Troy Kinnear
127 - Mike Fellner
126 - Bull Zegri
125 - Herm Vardaman
124 - Levi Walls
123 - Dale Reneau
123 - Alan Liao
122 - Sam Kass
122 - Sal Rossi
121 - Quenton Misisca
120 - Ervin Skjerly
118 - Gus Kahle
114 - Jonny Perly
114 - Jon Minzey
110 - David McAuliffe
110 - Ted Stuart
102 - Harry Finley

jdw · 05-30-2007, 06:19 PM

Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .364
Hits: 4000
HR: 585
RBI: 1906
2B: 665
BB: 1962
R: 2004
SB: 1297

Genarito Nunez, 3B/1B, Last Season: 1954
2432 H, 425 2B, 144 HR, 1151 RBI, 1159 R
554 K, 567 BB, 141 SB
.314 AVG, .358 OBP, .454 SLG, .812 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 127
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1974

Luther Ormiston, 3B, Last Season: 1956
1309 H, 262 2B, 281 HR, 1039 RBI, 888 R
614 K, 886 BB, 27 SB
.273 AVG, .385 OBP, .524 SLG, .909 OPS
OPS+: 150
BOY Award: 1948, 1952
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 4
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, HR 2, RBI 4
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1976

Bud Ayers, 3B, Last Season: 1959
2347 H, 393 2B, 261 HR, 1313 RBI, 1124 R
438 K, 811 BB, 3 SB
.290 AVG, .355 OBP, .443 SLG, .798 OPS
WWII - 1 Yr
OPS+: 121
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1979

Bobby Johnson, 1B, Last Season: 1960
1932 H, 380 2B, 363 HR, 1348 RBI, 989 R
861 K, 527 BB, 12 SB
.286 AVG, .338 OBP, .511 SLG, .849 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 133
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 2, HR 1, RBI 2
Career Top 25: HR (11)
Final Year on Ballot: 1980

Ben Cook, 3B/CF, Last Season: 1961
1722 H, 175 2B, 129 HR, 665 RBI, 1254 R
476 K, 1391 BB, 575 SB
.260 AVG, .389 OBP, .371 SLG, .760 OPS
OPS+: 114
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 3
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Runs 2, SB 7, BB 5
Career Top 25: SB (19), BB (20)
Final Year on Ballot: 1981

Rudel Dietrich, CF, Last Season: 1963
2277 H, 380 2B, 203 HR, 1088 RBI, 1088 R
787 K, 875 BB, 20 SB
.313 AVG, .385 OBP, .473 SLG, .858 OPS
OPS+: 138
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 3
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1983

William Perry, RF, Last Season: 1964
2510 H, 369 2B, 363 HR, 1521 RBI, 1544 R
855 K, 1199 BB, 172 SB
.282 AVG, .368 OBP, .467 SLG, .835 OPS
OPS+: 131
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Runs 1
Career Top 25: HR (11), RBI (20)
Final Year on Ballot: 1984

Wilford Woodworth, 3B, Last Season: 1965
1663 H, 305 2B, 408 HR, 1278 RBI, 1141 R
1286 K, 1051 BB, 57 SB
.244 AVG, .350 OBP, .483 SLG, .833 OPS
OPS+: 128
BOY Award: 1955
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: HR 1, SLG 1, TB 1
Career Top 25: HR (6)
Final Year on Ballot: 1985

Paul Lett, LF, Last Season: 1966
1890 H, 242 2B, 355 HR, 1196 RBI, 1089 R
686 K, 772 BB, 18 SB
.299 AVG, .373 OBP, .516 SLG, .889 OPS
OPS+: 145
BOY Award: 1961
ROY Award: 1953
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, TB 1, HR 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: HR (20)
Final Year on Ballot: 1985

"Grumpy" Abraham Noel, 1B, Last Season: 1966
2799 H, 331 2B, 253 HR, 1346 RBI, 1248 R
1436 K, 1132 BB, 3 SB
.294 AVG, .371 OBP, .416 SLG, .787 OPS
OPS+: 122
BOY Award: 1959
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: 1959
Led League in: BA 1, OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, TB 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

Walter Davis, LF, Last Season: 1966
2208 H, 332 2B, 197 HR, 960 RBI, 1274 R
948 K, 1400 BB, 36 SB
.266 AVG, .374 OBP, .390 SLG, .764 OPS
OPS+: 115
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 1, BB 1
Career Top 25: BB (21)
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

NEW

Arnie Stewart, 1B/RF, Last Season: 1967
2497 H, 492 2B, 585 HR, 1777 RBI, 1623 R
958 K, 1358 BB
.279 AVG, .373 OBP, .535 SLG, .908 OPS
OPS+: 152 (10th All-Time)
BOY Award: 1959
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1956, 1957 (Both in RF)
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, R 1, 2B 2, HR 1, RBI 2, BB 1
Career Top 25: HR (1), SLG (3), RBI (5), R (23), BB (25)
Final Year on Ballot: 1987

jdw · 05-30-2007, 06:20 PM

Pitchers
Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 446
K: 4028
CG: 601
SHO: 95

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

210 - Andrew Murphy
163 - Frank Smith
162 - Tim Lopresto
161 - Raymond Gindler
158 - Allen Albertini
157 - Jethro Lee
157 - Cecil Tan
145 - Punchy Cote
145 - Howard Adams
145 - Bourbon Allen Jr.
144 - Johnny Cakes Sutton
142 - Cotton Simson
138 - Dave McBean
138 - Martin Gwaltney
137 - Mark Krosser
137 - Johnny Swinson
137 - Carpenter Erickson
136 - Bowie Castellon
135 - Ken Zinn
134 - Otto Kahle
134 - Scott Fenner
133 - Jassen Nelson
131 - Remmy Paul
131 - Luke Riley
131 - Tobe Palmer
129 - David Wiskersham
125 - Adam Sardina
125 - Grady Ingram
124 - Bourbon Allen
124 - Art Booth
121 - Ahrend Nagel
120 - Terry Schukraft
116 - John Nolting
116 - Hal Andrew
115 - Mark Ponfick

jdw · 05-30-2007, 06:21 PM

Corky Stell, Last Season: 1956
163-108, 60.2%, 3.30 ERA
2409 IP, 820 BB, 986 K, 30 CG, 8 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
ERA+: 131
POY Award: 1949, 1952, 1953
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 4
World Championships: 4
WS Record: 2-2, 5.04 ERA
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, Wins 2
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1977

Bud Ulrich, Last Season: 1962, HOF Standard: 35
210-125, 62.7%, 3.88 ERA
3274.2 IP, 1411 BB, 2085 K, 73 CG, 16 SHO, 1.34 WHIP
ERA+: 108
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1949
Pennants: 5
World Championships: 5
WS Record: 4-1, 4.77 ERA
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1983

Lex Tjeenk-Willink, Last Season: 1964, HOF Standard: 46
245-170, 59.0%, 3.79 ERA
3877 IP, 1287 BB, 3069 K, 121 CG, 19 SHO, 1.19 WHIP
ERA+: 112
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: NONE
World Championships: NONE
WS Record: N/A
No-Hitters: 2
Led League in: Wins 1
Career Top 25: K's (10)
Final Year on Ballot: 1985

Hank Makris, Last Season: 1964
214-173, 55.3%, 3.48 ERA
3634.0 IP, 1092 BB, 1563 K, 166 CG, 32 SHO, 1.28 WHIP
ERA+: 124
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: 1953, 1958, 1961, 1963
WS MVP: 1957, 1959
Pennants: 2
World Championships: 2
WS Record: 4-0, 0.82 ERA
No-Hitters: 2
Led League in: SHO 2,
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

RP Loren Cost, Last Season: 1966
73-53, 57.9%, 2.89 ERA
827.1 IP, 296 BB, 562 K, 231 SV
ERA+: N/A
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
WS MVP: NONE
Pennants: 6
World Championships: 2
WS Record: 0-1, 0.00 ERA, 3 SV
Led League in: SV 1
Career Top 25: SV (7)
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

NEW

Randy Liebermann, Last Season: 1967
349-167, 67.6%, 2.82 ERA
5179.2 IP, 1829 BB, 4017 K, 234 CG, 47 SHO, 1.11 WHIP
ERA+: 150
POY Award: 1960, 1961
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
WS MVP: NONE
Pennants: 5
World Championships: 3
WS Record: 2-3, 4.26 ERA
Led League in: ERA 5, Wins 1, SHO 3, IP 1, K 5, H/9 7, K/9 3, WHIP 2
Career Top 25: ERA (21), W (7), K (2), SHO (19)
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

Joe Helton, Last Season: 1966
227-111, 67.2%, 3.12 ERA
3401.1 IP, 7729 BB, 2670 K, 131 CG, 38 SHO, 1.06 WHIP
ERA+: 137
POY Award: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
WS MVP: NONE
Pennants: 3
World Championships: 0
WS Record: 1-3, 3.89 ERA
Led League in: ERA 4, Wins 3, SHO 3, IP 4, K 4, H/9 3, K/9 5, WHIP 4
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

RP Gene Lopez, Last Season: 1966
73-75, 49.3%, 4.26 ERA
845.6 IP, 314 BB, 550 K, 266 SV
ERA+: N/A
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
WS MVP: NONE
Pennants: 1
World Championships: 0
WS Record: 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 0 SV
Led League in: SV 1
Career Top 25: SV (4)
Final Year on Ballot: 1987

jdw · 05-30-2007, 06:23 PM

Ben Cook
Rudel Dietrich
Joe Helton
Randy Liebermann
Paul Lett
William Perry
Luther Ormiston
Corky Stell
Arnie Stewart
Wilford Woodworth

John

kreitena · 05-30-2007, 06:47 PM

Stell
Lieberman
Helton
Perry
Stewart
Ormiston
Johnson
Lett

metsgeek · 05-30-2007, 07:02 PM

Stewart
Dietrich
Nunez
Lett
Johnson
Perry
Ulrich
Helton
Liebermann
Tjeenk-Willink

knightni · 05-30-2007, 07:22 PM

Genarito Nunez
Bud Ayers
William Perry
Arnie Stewart
Lex Tjeenk-Willink
Randy Liebermann
Joe Helton

ifspuds · 05-30-2007, 07:53 PM

Stewart
Perry
Tjeenk-Willink
Makris
Helton
Liebermann

haggis007 · 05-30-2007, 08:53 PM

Dietrich
Lett
Ormiston
Perry
Stewart
Woodworth

Helton
Liebermann
Makris
Stell

rudel.dietrich · 05-30-2007, 08:57 PM

This league lives?

Good job guys!
Hmm...I know I said I didnt want back in, but that was 4 months ago when it looked like it was all but dead.
Are there perhaps any GM spots for a former GM and fan?

Elendil · 05-30-2007, 09:28 PM

Liebermann
Helton
Tjeenk-Willink
Ormiston
Davis
Cook
Dietrich
Perry
Noel
Stewart

Wow, first time I ever wanted to vote for 11.

canadiancreed · 05-30-2007, 09:48 PM

I'll agree with the eleven.

Nunez
Dietrich
Perry
Noel
Davis
Stewart

Liebermann
Helton
Ulrich
Makris

metsgeek · 05-30-2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

This league lives?

Good job guys!
Hmm...I know I said I didnt want back in, but that was 4 months ago when it looked like it was all but dead.
Are there perhaps any GM spots for a former GM and fan?

Maybe..... if you vote

Contact Frank on the site.

metsgeek · 05-30-2007, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

I'll agree with the eleven.

Nunez
Ayers
Dietrich
Perry
Noel
Davis
Stewart

Liebermann
Helton
Ulrich
Makris

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

Am I going to have to start making math jokes, too??

canadiancreed · 05-30-2007, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsgeek

Am I going to have to start making math jokes, too??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elendil

Wow, first time I ever wanted to vote for 11.

As soon as I can make fun of your reading, then sure.

metsgeek · 05-30-2007, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

As soon as I can make fun of your reading, then sure.

Count your votes, creed. Which of the 11 should John cut?

jdw · 05-31-2007, 02:46 AM

I can never figure out where Creed votes for Davis over Cook. He had them both, at the same time. Cook was the more valuable player to his team.

Same goes with Cook vs. Nunez to a degree. If I ever expected Chris to pull a homer vote, it would be for the guy who went 1-3-3-3-3 in the NL in runs scored in the four years he played for the Reds. Both of the guys played on three pennant winners and a world champion with the Cards. Only one of them then went on to bag two world titles in Cincy.

John

05-30-2007, 06:17 PM	#1
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Time Warp HOF Ballot 1973 The Time Warp Baseball League is back up and running with the blessing of its founder, Matt. This is the annual Hall of Fame thread. This year's class includes: (a) the All-Time Home Run King hitting the ballot even as his record is being chased (b) the winner of the most games in the Post War (a/k/a "Live") Era of TWB (c) the third man to win four straight Pitcher of the Years Awards. The only other two do have done it are the All-Time Wins holder Frank Smith form 1937-40, and the man the award is now named after in honor of: the Great One Andrew Murphy winning six straight from 1912-17. Have at it. John

05-30-2007, 06:19 PM	#4
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Batters Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): AVG: .364 Hits: 4000 HR: 585 RBI: 1906 2B: 665 BB: 1962 R: 2004 SB: 1297 Genarito Nunez, 3B/1B, Last Season: 1954 2432 H, 425 2B, 144 HR, 1151 RBI, 1159 R 554 K, 567 BB, 141 SB .314 AVG, .358 OBP, .454 SLG, .812 OPS WWII - 2 Yrs OPS+: 127 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1974 Luther Ormiston, 3B, Last Season: 1956 1309 H, 262 2B, 281 HR, 1039 RBI, 888 R 614 K, 886 BB, 27 SB .273 AVG, .385 OBP, .524 SLG, .909 OPS OPS+: 150 BOY Award: 1948, 1952 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 4 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, HR 2, RBI 4 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1976 Bud Ayers, 3B, Last Season: 1959 2347 H, 393 2B, 261 HR, 1313 RBI, 1124 R 438 K, 811 BB, 3 SB .290 AVG, .355 OBP, .443 SLG, .798 OPS WWII - 1 Yr OPS+: 121 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1979 Bobby Johnson, 1B, Last Season: 1960 1932 H, 380 2B, 363 HR, 1348 RBI, 989 R 861 K, 527 BB, 12 SB .286 AVG, .338 OBP, .511 SLG, .849 OPS WWII - 2 Yrs OPS+: 133 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 4 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 2, HR 1, RBI 2 Career Top 25: HR (11) Final Year on Ballot: 1980 Ben Cook, 3B/CF, Last Season: 1961 1722 H, 175 2B, 129 HR, 665 RBI, 1254 R 476 K, 1391 BB, 575 SB .260 AVG, .389 OBP, .371 SLG, .760 OPS OPS+: 114 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 3 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Runs 2, SB 7, BB 5 Career Top 25: SB (19), BB (20) Final Year on Ballot: 1981 Rudel Dietrich, CF, Last Season: 1963 2277 H, 380 2B, 203 HR, 1088 RBI, 1088 R 787 K, 875 BB, 20 SB .313 AVG, .385 OBP, .473 SLG, .858 OPS OPS+: 138 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 3 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1983 William Perry, RF, Last Season: 1964 2510 H, 369 2B, 363 HR, 1521 RBI, 1544 R 855 K, 1199 BB, 172 SB .282 AVG, .368 OBP, .467 SLG, .835 OPS OPS+: 131 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 1 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Runs 1 Career Top 25: HR (11), RBI (20) Final Year on Ballot: 1984 Wilford Woodworth, 3B, Last Season: 1965 1663 H, 305 2B, 408 HR, 1278 RBI, 1141 R 1286 K, 1051 BB, 57 SB .244 AVG, .350 OBP, .483 SLG, .833 OPS OPS+: 128 BOY Award: 1955 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: HR 1, SLG 1, TB 1 Career Top 25: HR (6) Final Year on Ballot: 1985 Paul Lett, LF, Last Season: 1966 1890 H, 242 2B, 355 HR, 1196 RBI, 1089 R 686 K, 772 BB, 18 SB .299 AVG, .373 OBP, .516 SLG, .889 OPS OPS+: 145 BOY Award: 1961 ROY Award: 1953 Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, TB 1, HR 1, RBI 1 Career Top 25: HR (20) Final Year on Ballot: 1985 "Grumpy" Abraham Noel, 1B, Last Season: 1966 2799 H, 331 2B, 253 HR, 1346 RBI, 1248 R 1436 K, 1132 BB, 3 SB .294 AVG, .371 OBP, .416 SLG, .787 OPS OPS+: 122 BOY Award: 1959 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: 1959 Led League in: BA 1, OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, TB 1, RBI 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1986 Walter Davis, LF, Last Season: 1966 2208 H, 332 2B, 197 HR, 960 RBI, 1274 R 948 K, 1400 BB, 36 SB .266 AVG, .374 OBP, .390 SLG, .764 OPS OPS+: 115 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OBP 1, BB 1 Career Top 25: BB (21) Final Year on Ballot: 1986 NEW Arnie Stewart, 1B/RF, Last Season: 1967 2497 H, 492 2B, 585 HR, 1777 RBI, 1623 R 958 K, 1358 BB .279 AVG, .373 OBP, .535 SLG, .908 OPS OPS+: 152 (10th All-Time) BOY Award: 1959 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1956, 1957 (Both in RF) Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, R 1, 2B 2, HR 1, RBI 2, BB 1 Career Top 25: HR (1), SLG (3), RBI (5), R (23), BB (25) Final Year on Ballot: 1987 Last edited by jdw; 05-31-2007 at 11:51 PM.

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knightni Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	Genarito Nunez Bud Ayers William Perry Arnie Stewart Lex Tjeenk-Willink Randy Liebermann Joe Helton __________________ DPBL 2013, 2019 WS Champs Cincinnati Reds Time Warp 1971 WS Champs Oakland A's

05-30-2007, 06:18 PM	#2
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results, 1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results, 1956 Results, 1957 Results, 1958 Results, 1959 Results, 1960 Results (lost in board crash), 1961 Results, 1962 Results, 1963 Results, 1964 Results, 1965 Results, 1966 Results, 1967 Results, 1968 Results, 1969 Results, 1970 Results, 1971 Results, 1972 Results All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1970 (retired after 1964 season). All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected. Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10. PLEASE NOTE: Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII Note: OPS+ and ERA+ are listed for all players now. 100 is considered league average. The higher the # the better the player. This lets you see how they did in relation to the players of their generation while also letting you compare their dominance of the league to players from different eras.

05-30-2007, 06:20 PM	#5
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Pitchers Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): ERA: 2.10 W: 446 K: 4028 CG: 601 SHO: 95 Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference: 210 - Andrew Murphy 163 - Frank Smith 162 - Tim Lopresto 161 - Raymond Gindler 158 - Allen Albertini 157 - Jethro Lee 157 - Cecil Tan 145 - Punchy Cote 145 - Howard Adams 145 - Bourbon Allen Jr. 144 - Johnny Cakes Sutton 142 - Cotton Simson 138 - Dave McBean 138 - Martin Gwaltney 137 - Mark Krosser 137 - Johnny Swinson 137 - Carpenter Erickson 136 - Bowie Castellon 135 - Ken Zinn 134 - Otto Kahle 134 - Scott Fenner 133 - Jassen Nelson 131 - Remmy Paul 131 - Luke Riley 131 - Tobe Palmer 129 - David Wiskersham 125 - Adam Sardina 125 - Grady Ingram 124 - Bourbon Allen 124 - Art Booth 121 - Ahrend Nagel 120 - Terry Schukraft 116 - John Nolting 116 - Hal Andrew 115 - Mark Ponfick

05-30-2007, 06:21 PM	#6
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Corky Stell, Last Season: 1956 163-108, 60.2%, 3.30 ERA 2409 IP, 820 BB, 986 K, 30 CG, 8 SHO, 1.27 WHIP ERA+: 131 POY Award: 1949, 1952, 1953 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 4 World Championships: 4 WS Record: 2-2, 5.04 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, Wins 2 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1977 Bud Ulrich, Last Season: 1962, HOF Standard: 35 210-125, 62.7%, 3.88 ERA 3274.2 IP, 1411 BB, 2085 K, 73 CG, 16 SHO, 1.34 WHIP ERA+: 108 POY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1949 Pennants: 5 World Championships: 5 WS Record: 4-1, 4.77 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1983 Lex Tjeenk-Willink, Last Season: 1964, HOF Standard: 46 245-170, 59.0%, 3.79 ERA 3877 IP, 1287 BB, 3069 K, 121 CG, 19 SHO, 1.19 WHIP ERA+: 112 POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: NONE World Championships: NONE WS Record: N/A No-Hitters: 2 Led League in: Wins 1 Career Top 25: K's (10) Final Year on Ballot: 1985 Hank Makris, Last Season: 1964 214-173, 55.3%, 3.48 ERA 3634.0 IP, 1092 BB, 1563 K, 166 CG, 32 SHO, 1.28 WHIP ERA+: 124 POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: 1953, 1958, 1961, 1963 WS MVP: 1957, 1959 Pennants: 2 World Championships: 2 WS Record: 4-0, 0.82 ERA No-Hitters: 2 Led League in: SHO 2, Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1986 RP Loren Cost, Last Season: 1966 73-53, 57.9%, 2.89 ERA 827.1 IP, 296 BB, 562 K, 231 SV ERA+: N/A POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: NONE Pennants: 6 World Championships: 2 WS Record: 0-1, 0.00 ERA, 3 SV Led League in: SV 1 Career Top 25: SV (7) Final Year on Ballot: 1986 NEW Randy Liebermann, Last Season: 1967 349-167, 67.6%, 2.82 ERA 5179.2 IP, 1829 BB, 4017 K, 234 CG, 47 SHO, 1.11 WHIP ERA+: 150 POY Award: 1960, 1961 ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: NONE Pennants: 5 World Championships: 3 WS Record: 2-3, 4.26 ERA Led League in: ERA 5, Wins 1, SHO 3, IP 1, K 5, H/9 7, K/9 3, WHIP 2 Career Top 25: ERA (21), W (7), K (2), SHO (19) Final Year on Ballot: 1986 Joe Helton, Last Season: 1966 227-111, 67.2%, 3.12 ERA 3401.1 IP, 7729 BB, 2670 K, 131 CG, 38 SHO, 1.06 WHIP ERA+: 137 POY Award: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959 ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: NONE Pennants: 3 World Championships: 0 WS Record: 1-3, 3.89 ERA Led League in: ERA 4, Wins 3, SHO 3, IP 4, K 4, H/9 3, K/9 5, WHIP 4 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1986 RP Gene Lopez, Last Season: 1966 73-75, 49.3%, 4.26 ERA 845.6 IP, 314 BB, 550 K, 266 SV ERA+: N/A POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: NONE Pennants: 1 World Championships: 0 WS Record: 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 0 SV Led League in: SV 1 Career Top 25: SV (4) Final Year on Ballot: 1987

05-30-2007, 06:23 PM	#7
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Ben Cook Rudel Dietrich Joe Helton Randy Liebermann Paul Lett William Perry Luther Ormiston Corky Stell Arnie Stewart Wilford Woodworth John

05-30-2007, 07:53 PM	#11
ifspuds Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 2,117	Stewart Perry Tjeenk-Willink Makris Helton Liebermann __________________ Jeff Watson Former dynasty writer and online league player, now mostly retired

05-30-2007, 08:53 PM	#12
haggis007 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 115	Dietrich Lett Ormiston Perry Stewart Woodworth Helton Liebermann Makris Stell

05-30-2007, 08:57 PM	#13
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	This league lives? Good job guys! Hmm...I know I said I didnt want back in, but that was 4 months ago when it looked like it was all but dead. Are there perhaps any GM spots for a former GM and fan?

05-30-2007, 09:28 PM	#14
Elendil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the dynasty forum Posts: 2,318	Liebermann Helton Tjeenk-Willink Ormiston Davis Cook Dietrich Perry Noel Stewart Wow, first time I ever wanted to vote for 11. __________________ Heaven is kicking back with a double Talisker and a churchwarden stuffed with latakia.

05-30-2007, 09:48 PM	#15
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	I'll agree with the eleven. Nunez Dietrich Perry Noel Davis Stewart Liebermann Helton Ulrich Makris __________________ PT21 PT22 Last edited by canadiancreed; 05-30-2007 at 10:34 PM.

05-31-2007, 02:46 AM	#20
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	I can never figure out where Creed votes for Davis over Cook. He had them both, at the same time. Cook was the more valuable player to his team. Same goes with Cook vs. Nunez to a degree. If I ever expected Chris to pull a homer vote, it would be for the guy who went 1-3-3-3-3 in the NL in runs scored in the four years he played for the Reds. Both of the guys played on three pennant winners and a world champion with the Cards. Only one of them then went on to bag two world titles in Cincy. John