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Old 11-28-2005, 09:56 AM   #1
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VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1962

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results,
1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results,
1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results,
1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results,
1956 Results, 1957 Results, 1958 Results, 1959 Results, 1960 Results (lost in board crash)
1961 Results


Bob Feller and Jackie Robinson were elected to the RL HOF by the BBWAA in 1962. Ed Roush was elected by the VC.


All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1962 (retired after 1956 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected. This is Harry Finley's final year on the ballot.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max.

PLEASE NOTE:
Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII

Note: OPS+ and ERA+ are listed for all players now. 100 is considered league average. The higher the # the better the player. This lets you see how they did in relation to the players of their generation while also letting you compare their dominance of the league to players from different eras.

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

189 - Woody Woodson
166 - Dark Horse Allen
163 - Jason Tedford
159 - Whitey Kohse
158 - Oscar Vancini
152 - Jed Burke
152 - Patrick Seifried
149 - Genaro Nunez
148 - Whiskey Allen
146 - Peaches Badeau
145 - Blake Crocitto
141 - Ben Baum
141 - Tee Carver
140 - Bud Breckenridge
140 - John Falise
140 - Ray Brown
140 - Scott Podlasek
140 - Dale Lamberty
140 - Bobby Martin
139 - Dewey Mickelsen
138 - Tyrell Chestnut
137 - Kid Fite
137 - Will Miller
137 - Steven Bussell
136 - Harry Cohan
136 - Jared Jarry
135 - John Klehammer
135 - Jimmy Ditty
134 - Carl Kahle
133 - Slap Hertzog
133 - Flaky Arsenault
133 - Roy Hobbs
133 - Dave Arkless
132 - Adolf Greisbach
132 - John Schmieder
132 - Cookie Parrish
131 - Chuck Rauch
131 - Nick Graves
130 - Sunny Davie
129 - Tom Turley
129 - George Ward
129 - Ping Hung
129 - Herman Dunkel
127 - Campbell Ditty
127 - Troy Kinnear
126 - Bull Zegri
124 - Levi Walls
123 - Dale Reneau
123 - Alan Liao
122 - Sam Kass
122 - Sal Rossi
121 - Quenton Misisca
120 - Ervin Skjerly
118 - Gus Kahle
110 - David McAuliffe



Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .364
Hits: 4000
HR: 557
RBI: 1906
2B: 665
BB: 1962
R: 2004
SB: 1297



Harry Finley
, C, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44
1982 H, 373 2B, 87 HR, 910 RBI, 1139 R, 788 K, 508 BB, 632 SB, .288 AVG, .761 OPS
OPS+: 102
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 10
Pennants: 7
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 2
Career Top 25: SB (14)



Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden
, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 57
2510 H, 541 2B, 68 HR, 888 RBI, 1352 R, 648 K, 514 BB, 657 SB, .318 AVG, .816 OPS
WWII
OPS+: 120
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1928
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1, Runs 3
Career Top 25: 2B (14), SB (12)



Ted Stuart
, SS, Last Season: 1948, HOF Standard: 31
1800 H, 258 2B, 45 HR, 757 RBI, 797 R, 631 K, 547 BB, 31 SB, .296 AVG, .749 OPS
OPS+: 110
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 9
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE



Al Arsenault
, LF, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 47
2359 H, 557 2B, 285 HR, 1458 RBI, 1341 R, 414 K, 941 BB, 129 SB, .287 AVG, .854 OPS
OPS+: 135
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 2, 3B 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: HR (16), RBI (22), 2B (10)



Maurice Misisca
, 3B, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 34
1657 H, 214 2B, 233 HR, 944 RBI, 849 R, 453 K, 674 BB, 68 SB, .291 AVG, .835 OPS
OPS+: 137
BOY Award: 1943, 1944, 1946
ROY Award: 1931
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 2, SLG 2, OPS 1, HR 2, RBI 1
Career Top 25: NONE



Jonny Perly
, 2B/SS, Last Season: 1954, HOF Standard: 48
2336 H, 339 2B, 123 HR, 946 RBI, 1622 R, 1098 K, 1324 BB, 1297 SB, .268 AVG, .760 OPS
OPS+: 114
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 3
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 1, Runs 3, BB 1, SB 13
Career Top 25: Runs (19), SB (1), BB (24)



Genarito Nunez
, 3B, Last Season: 1954, HOF Standard: 49
2432 H, 425 2B, 144 HR, 1151 RBI, 1159 R, 554 K, 567 BB, 141 SB, .314 AVG, .816 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 127
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 1
Career Top 25: NONE


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Tom Howard
, SS, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 48
2100 H, 373 2B, 193 HR, 1010 RBI, 1035 R, 675 K, 533 BB, 91 SB, .311 AVG, .856 OPS
WWII - 1 Yr
OPS+: 139
BOY Award: 1947
ROY Award: 1943
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: SLG 2, OPS 2, Hits 3, 2B 1, 3B 1, HR 1, RBI 1, Runs 1
Career Top 25: NONE



Dennis Kitterman
, 1B, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 34
1981 H, 233 2B, 119 HR, 787 RBI, 1108 R, 459 K, 770 BB, 101 SB, .319 AVG, .839 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 133
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 4
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, 3B 1
Career Top 25: NONE



Will Groaning
, LF, Last Season: 1955, HOF Standard: 26
1623 H, 336 2B, 185 HR, 844 RBI, 910 R, 678 K, 1210 BB, 1 SB, .284 AVG, .849 OPS
OPS+: 136
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 1, 2B 3
Career Top 25: NONE



Ogden Wing
, LF, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 45
2297 H, 302 2B, 200 HR, 1018 RBI, 1370 R, 748 K, 1037 BB, 276 SB, .307 AVG, .854 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 141
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: OBP 2, OPS 1, Hits 2, 3B 2, Runs 4
Career Top 25: NONE



"Jungle Jim" Dunkel
, 3B, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 32
1500 H, 254 2B, 214 HR, 914 RBI, 833 R, 638 K, 581 BB, 68 SB, .280 AVG, .822 OPS
WWII - 3 Yrs
OPS+: 126
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE






Pitchers

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 446
K: 3407
CG: 601
SHO: 95

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

210 - Andrew Murphy
163 - Frank Smith
162 - Tim Lopresto
161 - Raymond Gindler
158 - Allen Albertini
157 - Jethro Lee
157 - Cecil Tan
145 - Punchy Cote
145 - Howard Adams
144 - Johnny Cakes Sutton
138 - Dave McBean
137 - Mark Krosser
137 - Johnny Swinson
136 - Bowie Castellon
134 - Otto Kahle
134 - Scott Fenner
133 - Jassen Nelson
131 - Remmy Paul
131 - Luke Riley
131 - Tobe Palmer
129 - David Wiskersham
124 - Bourbon Allen
124 - Art Booth
121 - Ahrend Nagel




Terry Schukraft
, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 49
332-255, 56.6%, 3.73 ERA, 5516.2 IP, 1764 BB, 2056 K, 428 CG, 39 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
ERA+: 120
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 4
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: IP 1, CG 2, SHO 1
Career Top 25: Wins (10), K (21), CG (14)



Mark Ponfick
, Last Season: 1945, HOF Standard: 55
334-252, 57.0%, 3.82 ERA, 5596 IP, 1184 BB, 2505 K, 463 CG, 41 SHO, 1.22 WHIP
ERA+: 115
POY Award: 1944
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: WHIP 2, Wins 1
Career Top 25: Wins (9), K's (5), CG (5), SHO (25)



Scottie Allen
, Last Season: 1955, HOF Standard: 27
189-190, 49.9%, 3.29 ERA, 3694 IP, 959 BB, 1847 K, 140 CG, 34 SHO, 1.22 WHIP
WWII - 1 1/2 Yrs
ERA+: 131
POY Award: 1950
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, SHO 1
Career Top 25: NONE


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Cotton Simson
, Last Season: 1955, HOF Standard: 70
317-173, 64.7%, 2.97 ERA, 4721.1 IP, 1058 BB, 2709 K, 332 CG, 51 SHO, 1.09 WHIP
ERA+: 142
POY Award: 1943, 1945, 1946, 1948, 1950, 1952
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 5, WHIP 8, Wins 6, IP 8, K 7, CG 5, SHO 3
Career Top 25: Wins (13), K's (7), SHO (12)



Corky Stell
, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 26
163-108, 60.2%, 3.30 ERA, 15 SV, 2409 IP, 820 BB, 986 K, 30 CG, 8 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
ERA+: 131
POY Award: 1949, 1952, 1953
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 4
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, Wins 2
Career Top 25: NONE



Ace Shipley
, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 27
193-149, 56.4%, 3.52 ERA, 14 SV, 3189.2 IP, 912 BB, 1282 K, 125 CG, 20 SHO, 1.29 WHIP
WWII - 1 Yr
ERA+: 108
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 2
Career Top 25: NONE
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Old 11-28-2005, 10:09 AM   #2
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Reds vote for:

Bowden
Stuart
Arsenault
Perly - He REALLY should be in. Almost 1300 SB's?!?!
Wing
Schukraft
Ponfick
Simson
Stell
Scottie Allen
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Old 11-28-2005, 10:15 AM   #3
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Old 11-28-2005, 10:32 AM   #4
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Old 11-28-2005, 10:56 AM   #5
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Stuart
Misisca
Perly: Career leader in Sbs, no brainer
Howard
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Old 11-28-2005, 11:32 AM   #6
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Old 11-28-2005, 12:02 PM   #7
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:13 PM   #8
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Old 11-29-2005, 07:04 AM   #10
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Old 11-29-2005, 08:17 AM   #11
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LF Al Arsenault
2B Jonny Perly
SS Ted Stuart
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Howard (he was bigger than the game)
I'd be curious to see a Keltner List on him.
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I don't have all the criteria with me, but I would too. I think he transcended what TWB is all about.
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Simson should almost be a 100% lock this year. Compared to the rest on this list he's in another league
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:02 PM   #18
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I don't have all the criteria with me, but I would too. I think he transcended what TWB is all about.
1. Was he ever regarded as the best player in baseball? Did anybody, while he was active, ever suggest that he was the best player in baseball?

2. Was he the best player on his team?

3. Was he the best player in baseball at his position? Was he the best player in the league at his position?

4. Did he have an impact on a number of pennant races?

5. Was he good enough that he could play regularly after passing his prime?

6. Is he the very best baseball player in history who is not in the Hall of Fame?

7. Are most players who have comparable statistics in the Hall of Fame?

8. Do the player's numbers meet Hall of Fame standards?

9. Is there any evidence to suggest that the player was significantly better or worse than is suggested by his statistics?

10. Is he the best player at his position who is eligible for the Hall of Fame?

11. How many MVP-type seasons did he have? Did he ever win an MVP award? If not, how many times was he close?

12. How many All-Star-type seasons did he have? How many All-Star games did he play in? Did most of the players who played in this many All-Star games go into the Hall of Fame?

13. If this man were the best player on his team, would it be likely that the team could win the pennant?

14. What impact did the player have on baseball history? Was he responsible for any rule changes? Did he introduce any new equipment? Did he change the game in any way?

15. Did the player uphold the standards of sportsmanship and character that the Hall of Fame, in its written guidelines, instructs us to consider?
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:41 PM   #19
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First Time voting...

Howard
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Thanks Jeff. I can, and anyone really, can answer those. I'll get to it later tonight.
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