Time Warp HOF Ballot 1974

jdw · 07-15-2007, 06:07 PM

This is the annual Time Warp Baseball League Hall of Fame thread.

This year's class includes:

(a) A slew of the top infielders of the late 50s and early 60s, all each who played key roles in multiple championship teams.

(b) the all-time leader on Saves, Appearances and Relief Innings, the first serious relief candidated of the live era.

Have at it.

John

jdw · 07-15-2007, 06:08 PM

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results, 1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results, 1956 Results, 1957 Results, 1958 Results, 1959 Results, 1960 Results (lost in board crash), 1961 Results, 1962 Results, 1963 Results, 1964 Results, 1965 Results, 1966 Results, 1967 Results, 1968 Results, 1969 Results, 1970 Results, 1971 Results, 1972 Results, 1973 Results

All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1970 (retired after 1964 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

PLEASE NOTE:
Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII

Notes:

OPS+ and ERA+ are listed for all players now. 100 is considered league average. The higher the # the better the player. This lets you see how they did in relation to the players of their generation while also letting you compare their dominance of the league to players from different eras.

All Pros are for the Post War era only (1946-). There are traditionally voted on by a poll of the league's GM's and regular participants (1946-48, 1950-62, 1969-) or by the Sporting News (1949, 1963-68, All Decade & Centenial Teams). The year end teams are named for each league and feature one player for each field position along with 4-5 starting pitchers (depending on the rotation size of the era) and one relief pitcher.

jdw · 07-15-2007, 06:08 PM

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

189 - Woody Woodson
186 - Ray Kress
166 - Dark Horse Allen
163 - Jason Tedford
159 - Whitey Kohse
158 - Oscar Vancini
156 - Charlton Brown
152 - Jed Burke
152 - Patrick Seifried
152 - Arnie Stewart
149 - Genaro Nunez
148 - Whiskey Allen
148 - Ken Chaucer
147 - Lonny Arrendale
146 - Peaches Badeau
145 - Blake Crocitto
145 - Paul Lett
142 - Hershel Lee
141 - Ben Baum
141 - Tee Carver
141 - Ogden Wing
140 - Bud Breckenridge
140 - John Falise
140 - Ray Brown
140 - Scott Podlasek
140 - Dale Lamberty
140 - Bobby Martin
139 - Dewey Mickelsen
139 - Tom Howard
138 - Tyrell Chestnut
138 - Wolter Tjeenk-Willink
138 - John Degal
137 - Kid Fite
137 - Will Miller
137 - Steven Bussell
137 - Ted McMurray
136 - Harry Cohan
136 - Jared Jarry
135 - John Klehammer
135 - Jimmy Ditty
134 - Carl Kahle
133 - Slap Hertzog
133 - Flaky Arsenault
133 - Roy Hobbs
133 - Dave Arkless
133 - Matt Perly
133 - Mark Silcox
132 - Adolf Greisbach
132 - John Schmieder
132 - Cookie Parrish
131 - Chuck Rauch
131 - Nick Graves
131 - Hans Habermehl
131 - William Perry
130 - Sunny Davie
129 - Tom Turley
129 - George Ward
129 - Ping Hung
129 - Herman Dunkel
129 - Moonlight Graham
128 - Morris Lutske
127 - Campbell Ditty
127 - Troy Kinnear
127 - Mike Fellner
126 - Bull Zegri
125 - Herm Vardaman
124 - Levi Walls
123 - Dale Reneau
123 - Alan Liao
122 - Sam Kass
122 - Sal Rossi
121 - Quenton Misisca
120 - Ervin Skjerly
118 - Gus Kahle
114 - Jonny Perly
114 - Jon Minzey
110 - David McAuliffe
110 - Ted Stuart
102 - Harry Finley

jdw · 07-15-2007, 06:09 PM

Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .364
Hits: 4000
HR: 585
RBI: 1906
2B: 665
BB: 1962
R: 2004
SB: 1297

Genarito Nunez, 3B/1B, Last Season: 1954
2432 H, 425 2B, 144 HR, 1151 RBI, 1159 R
554 K, 567 BB, 141 SB
.314 AVG, .358 OBP, .454 SLG, .812 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 127
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1953, 1954
Pennants: 1950, 1953, 1954
WS Victories: 1950
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1974

Luther Ormiston, 3B, Last Season: 1956
1309 H, 262 2B, 281 HR, 1039 RBI, 888 R
614 K, 886 BB, 27 SB
.273 AVG, .385 OBP, .524 SLG, .909 OPS
OPS+: 150
BOY Award: 1948, 1952
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1947, 1949, 1950, 1952, 1953, 1954
Pennants: 1948, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955
WS Victories: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, HR 2, RBI 4
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1976

Bud Ayers, 3B, Last Season: 1959
2347 H, 393 2B, 261 HR, 1313 RBI, 1124 R
438 K, 811 BB, 3 SB
.290 AVG, .355 OBP, .443 SLG, .798 OPS
WWII - 1 Yr
OPS+: 121
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
All Pros: NONE
Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958
WS Victories: 1951, 1958
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1979

Bobby Johnson, 1B, Last Season: 1960
1932 H, 380 2B, 363 HR, 1348 RBI, 989 R
861 K, 527 BB, 12 SB
.286 AVG, .338 OBP, .511 SLG, .849 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 133
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
All Pros: 1948, 1951
Pennants: 1946, 1948, 1955
WS Victories: 1946
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 2, HR 1, RBI 2
Career Top 25: HR (11)
Final Year on Ballot: 1980

Ben Cook, 3B/CF, Last Season: 1961
1722 H, 175 2B, 129 HR, 665 RBI, 1254 R
476 K, 1391 BB, 575 SB
.260 AVG, .389 OBP, .371 SLG, .760 OPS
OPS+: 114
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1955, 1956, 1957
Pennants: 1950, 1953, 1954, 1957, 1959
WS Victories: 1950, 1957, 1959
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Runs 2, SB 7, BB 5
Career Top 25: SB (19), BB (20)
Final Year on Ballot: 1981

Rudel Dietrich, CF, Last Season: 1963
2277 H, 380 2B, 203 HR, 1088 RBI, 1088 R
787 K, 875 BB, 20 SB
.313 AVG, .385 OBP, .473 SLG, .858 OPS
OPS+: 138
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
All Pros: 1953, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 3
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1983

Wilford Woodworth, 3B, Last Season: 1965
1663 H, 305 2B, 408 HR, 1278 RBI, 1141 R
1286 K, 1051 BB, 57 SB
.244 AVG, .350 OBP, .483 SLG, .833 OPS
OPS+: 128
BOY Award: 1955
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1954, 1955
Pennants: 1956, 1959
WS Victories: 1956
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: HR 1, SLG 1, TB 1
Career Top 25: HR (6)
Final Year on Ballot: 1985

"Grumpy" Abraham Noel, 1B, Last Season: 1966
2799 H, 331 2B, 253 HR, 1346 RBI, 1248 R
1436 K, 1132 BB, 3 SB
.294 AVG, .371 OBP, .416 SLG, .787 OPS
OPS+: 122
BOY Award: 1959
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
All Pros: 1959, 1960
Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962
WS Victories: 1961, 1962
Batting Titles: 1959
Led League in: BA 1, OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, TB 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

Walter Davis, LF, Last Season: 1966
2208 H, 332 2B, 197 HR, 960 RBI, 1274 R
948 K, 1400 BB, 36 SB
.266 AVG, .374 OBP, .390 SLG, .764 OPS
OPS+: 115
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1957
Pennants: 1957, 1959
WS Victories: 1957, 1959
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 1, BB 1
Career Top 25: BB (21)
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

NEW

Roger Joyce, SS, Last Season: 1967
2394 H, 341 2B, 109 HR, 837 RBI, 1128 R
746 K, 685 BB
.312 AVG, .370 OBP, .416 SLG, .785 OPS
OPS+: 122
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1963
Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1966
WS Victories: 1961, 1962
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: R 1, H 3
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1988

Mike Kreitenberg, 2B, Last Season: 1968
2337 H, 323 2B, 30 HR, 785 RBI, 1140 R
1002 K, 692 BB
.324 AVG, .382 OBP, .418 SLG, .801 OPS
OPS+: 125
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1957, 1958, 1965, 1966
All Pros: 1957, 1958, 1965
Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1965, 1967
WS Victories: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1965
Batting Titles: 1957, 1958
Led League in: BA 2, OBP 1, H 1, 2B 1, 3B 1, SB 4
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1987

Alan Liao Jr., 2B, Last Season: 1968
1929 H, 320 2B, 65 HR, 677 RBI, 896 R
881 K, 733 BB
.321 AVG, .396 OBP, .429 SLG, .826 OPS
OPS+: 134
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1958, 1959, 1960 (SS), 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964
Pennants: 1964, 1965
WS Victories: 1964
Batting Titles: 1958, 1960, 1961
Led League in: BA 3, OBP 1, H 1, 2B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1988

Charlie Shellenbarger, C, Last Season: 1968
1656 H, 341 2B, 47 HR, 650 RBI, 641 R
655 K, 577 BB
.303 AVG, .371 OBP, .398 SLG, .769 OPS
OPS+: 119
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1956, 1961, 1962
All Pros: 1956, 1964
Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962
WS Victories: 1961, 1962
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 2
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1988

jdw · 07-15-2007, 06:10 PM

Pitchers
Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 446
K: 4028
CG: 601
SHO: 95

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

210 - Andrew Murphy
163 - Frank Smith
162 - Tim Lopresto
161 - Raymond Gindler
158 - Allen Albertini
157 - Jethro Lee
157 - Cecil Tan
150 - Randy Liebermann
145 - Punchy Cote
145 - Howard Adams
145 - Bourbon Allen Jr.
144 - Johnny Cakes Sutton
142 - Cotton Simson
138 - Dave McBean
138 - Martin Gwaltney
137 - Mark Krosser
137 - Johnny Swinson
137 - Carpenter Erickson
137 - Joe Helton
136 - Bowie Castellon
135 - Ken Zinn
134 - Otto Kahle
134 - Scott Fenner
133 - Jassen Nelson
131 - Remmy Paul
131 - Luke Riley
131 - Tobe Palmer
129 - David Wiskersham
125 - Adam Sardina
125 - Grady Ingram
124 - Bourbon Allen
124 - Art Booth
121 - Ahrend Nagel
120 - Terry Schukraft
116 - John Nolting
116 - Hal Andrew
115 - Mark Ponfick

jdw · 07-15-2007, 06:12 PM

Corky Stell, Last Season: 1956
163-108, 60.2%, 3.30 ERA
2409 IP, 820 BB, 986 K, 30 CG, 8 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
ERA+: 131
POY Award: 1949, 1952, 1953
ROY Award: NONE
All Pros: 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953
Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955
World Championships: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955
WS Record: 2-2, 5.04 ERA
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 3. WHIP 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1977

Bud Ulrich, Last Season: 1962, HOF Standard: 35
210-125, 62.7%, 3.88 ERA
3274.2 IP, 1411 BB, 2085 K, 73 CG, 16 SHO, 1.34 WHIP
ERA+: 108
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1949
All Pros: 1952, 1955
Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959
World Championships: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959
WS Record: 4-1, 4.77 ERA
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1983

Lex Tjeenk-Willink, Last Season: 1964, HOF Standard: 46
245-170, 59.0%, 3.79 ERA
3877 IP, 1287 BB, 3069 K, 121 CG, 19 SHO, 1.19 WHIP
ERA+: 112
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
All Pros: 1957
Pennants: NONE
World Championships: NONE
WS Record: N/A
No-Hitters: 2
Led League in: Wins 1
Career Top 25: K's (10)
Final Year on Ballot: 1985

Hank Makris, Last Season: 1964
214-173, 55.3%, 3.48 ERA
3634.0 IP, 1092 BB, 1563 K, 166 CG, 32 SHO, 1.28 WHIP
ERA+: 124
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: 1953, 1958, 1961, 1963
WS MVP: 1957, 1959
All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1960
Pennants: 1957, 1959
World Championships: 1957, 1959
WS Record: 4-0, 0.82 ERA
No-Hitters: 2
Led League in: SHO 2,
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

NEW

Tom Dufresne, Last Season: 1968
205-161, 56.0%, 3.89 ERA
3343.0 IP, 646 BB, 841 K, 204 CG, 26 SHO
ERA+: 107
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
WS MVP: NONE
All Pros: NONE
Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962
World Championships: 1961, 1962
WS Record: 2-3, 4.33 ERA
Led League in: CG 1
Career Top 25:
Final Year on Ballot: 1988

Cal Granger, Last Season: 1968
100-104, 49.0%, 3.53 ERA
1426.3 IP, 421 BB, 609 K, 390 SV
ERA+: N/A
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
WS MVP: NONE
All Pros: 1952, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1962, 1964; 1950s All Decade Team
Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958, 1963
World Championships: 1951, 1958
WS Record: 0-1, 3.49 ERA, 4 SV
Led League in: SV 6, G 1
Career Top 25: SV (1), Appearances (1), Relief Innings (1)
Final Year on Ballot: 1988

jdw · 07-15-2007, 06:17 PM

Ben Cook
Rudel Dietrich
Cal Granger
Roger Joyce
Mike Kreitenberg
Alan Liao Jr.
Hank Makris
Luther Ormiston
Corky Stell
Wilford Woodworth

John

kreitena · 07-15-2007, 06:23 PM

Ormiston
Johnson
Dietrich
Kreitenberg
Liao Jr.
Stell
Makris
Granger

kreitena · 07-15-2007, 06:28 PM

I just want to point out that Mikey K wasn't drafted until he was 24 and he rode the bench for his first four seasons. Might be something to take into account when voting.

DamnYankees · 07-15-2007, 06:30 PM

Rudel Dietrich
Wilford Woodworth
Abraham Noel
Mikey K
Makris

rudel.dietrich · 07-15-2007, 06:33 PM

Time to submit my ballot

Nunez
Orminston
Johnson
Dietrich
Kreitenberg
Liao Jr

Stell
Makris

I think this is probably the first time I have never voted for a full 10 players

Moriarty9 · 07-15-2007, 06:38 PM

Rudel Dietrich
Mike Kreitenberg
Cal Granger

rudel.dietrich · 07-15-2007, 06:42 PM

I am surpised that Liao Jr is not a near 100% pick
He was one of the finest middle IF we have ever had and he also led the league in XR and XR/27 2-3 years
Just an outstanding hitter made even better by his role in the middle IF

He was twice the player Kreitenberg was in his prime (and Kreit was a hell of a player)

I dont possibly see how you can vote for Kreit but not Liao

canadiancreed · 07-15-2007, 06:44 PM

Nunez
Ayers
Dietrich
Noel
Davis
Joyce
Kreitenberg

Ulrich
Tjeenk-Wilink
Makris

canadiancreed · 07-15-2007, 06:47 PM

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