VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1963

Matt from TN · 12-15-2005, 01:14 PM

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results,
1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results,
1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results,
1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results,
1956 Results, 1957 Results, 1958 Results, 1959 Results, 1960 Results (lost in board crash)
1961 Results, 1962 Results

John Clarkson, Elmer Flick, Sam Rice and Eppa Rixey were elected to the RL HOF by the BBWAA in 1963.

All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1963 (retired after 1957 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected. This is Ricardo Bowden's final year on the ballot.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max.

PLEASE NOTE:
Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII

Note: OPS+ and ERA+ are listed for all players now. 100 is considered league average. The higher the # the better the player. This lets you see how they did in relation to the players of their generation while also letting you compare their dominance of the league to players from different eras.

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

189 - Woody Woodson
166 - Dark Horse Allen
163 - Jason Tedford
159 - Whitey Kohse
158 - Oscar Vancini
152 - Jed Burke
152 - Patrick Seifried
149 - Genaro Nunez
148 - Whiskey Allen
146 - Peaches Badeau
145 - Blake Crocitto
141 - Ben Baum
141 - Tee Carver
140 - Bud Breckenridge
140 - John Falise
140 - Ray Brown
140 - Scott Podlasek
140 - Dale Lamberty
140 - Bobby Martin
139 - Dewey Mickelsen
138 - Tyrell Chestnut
137 - Kid Fite
137 - Will Miller
137 - Steven Bussell
136 - Harry Cohan
136 - Jared Jarry
135 - John Klehammer
135 - Jimmy Ditty
134 - Carl Kahle
133 - Slap Hertzog
133 - Flaky Arsenault
133 - Roy Hobbs
133 - Dave Arkless
132 - Adolf Greisbach
132 - John Schmieder
132 - Cookie Parrish
131 - Chuck Rauch
131 - Nick Graves
130 - Sunny Davie
129 - Tom Turley
129 - George Ward
129 - Ping Hung
129 - Herman Dunkel
127 - Campbell Ditty
127 - Troy Kinnear
126 - Bull Zegri
124 - Levi Walls
123 - Dale Reneau
123 - Alan Liao
122 - Sam Kass
122 - Sal Rossi
121 - Quenton Misisca
120 - Ervin Skjerly
118 - Gus Kahle
114 - Jonny Perly
114 - Jon Minzey
110 - David McAuliffe

Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .364
Hits: 4000
HR: 557
RBI: 1906
2B: 665
BB: 1962
R: 2004
SB: 1297

Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 57
2510 H, 541 2B, 68 HR, 888 RBI, 1352 R, 648 K, 514 BB, 657 SB, .318 AVG, .816 OPS
WWII
OPS+: 120
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1928
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1, Runs 3
Career Top 25: 2B (14), SB (12)

Ted Stuart, SS, Last Season: 1948, HOF Standard: 31
1800 H, 258 2B, 45 HR, 757 RBI, 797 R, 631 K, 547 BB, 31 SB, .296 AVG, .749 OPS
OPS+: 110
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 9
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE

Al Arsenault, LF, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 47
2359 H, 557 2B, 285 HR, 1458 RBI, 1341 R, 414 K, 941 BB, 129 SB, .287 AVG, .854 OPS
OPS+: 135
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 2, 3B 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: HR (16), RBI (22), 2B (10)

Maurice Misisca, 3B, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 34
1657 H, 214 2B, 233 HR, 944 RBI, 849 R, 453 K, 674 BB, 68 SB, .291 AVG, .835 OPS
OPS+: 137
BOY Award: 1943, 1944, 1946
ROY Award: 1931
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 2, SLG 2, OPS 1, HR 2, RBI 1
Career Top 25: NONE

Genarito Nunez, 3B, Last Season: 1954, HOF Standard: 49
2432 H, 425 2B, 144 HR, 1151 RBI, 1159 R, 554 K, 567 BB, 141 SB, .314 AVG, .816 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 127
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 1
Career Top 25: NONE

Tom Howard, SS, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 48
2100 H, 373 2B, 193 HR, 1010 RBI, 1035 R, 675 K, 533 BB, 91 SB, .311 AVG, .856 OPS
WWII - 1 Yr
OPS+: 139
BOY Award: 1947
ROY Award: 1943
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: SLG 2, OPS 2, Hits 3, 2B 1, 3B 1, HR 1, RBI 1, Runs 1
Career Top 25: NONE

Ogden Wing, LF, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 45
2297 H, 302 2B, 200 HR, 1018 RBI, 1370 R, 748 K, 1037 BB, 276 SB, .307 AVG, .854 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 141
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: OBP 2, OPS 1, Hits 2, 3B 2, Runs 4
Career Top 25: NONE

NEW

Hershel Lee, C, Last Season: 1957, HOF Standard: 37
1105 H, 211 2B, 237 HR, 798 RBI, 665 R, 574 K, 536 BB, 4 SB, .276 AVG, .886 OPS
OPS+: 142
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1948
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Doubles 1
Career Top 25: NONE

Luther Ormiston, 3B, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 38
1309 H, 262 2B, 281 HR, 1039 RBI, 888 R, 614 K, 886 BB, 27 SB, .273 AVG, .909 OPS
OPS+: 150
BOY Award: 1948, 1952
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 4
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, HR 2, RBI 4
Career Top 25: NONE

Hershel Cooley, LF, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 26
1959 H, 369 2B, 24 HR, 712 RBI, 1107 R, 810 K, 652 BB, 442 SB, .294 AVG, .755 OPS
OPS+: 112
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 1, 3B 1, Runs 1, SB 2
Career Top 25: NONE

Nick Pursell, 3B, Last Season: 1957, HOF Standard: 28
1673 H, 262 2B, 145 HR, 815 RBI, 845 R, 448 K, 539 BB, 147 SB, .282 AVG, .783 OPS
WWII - 1 Yr
OPS+: 116
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 4
Career Top 25: NONE

Pitchers

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 446
K: 3407
CG: 601
SHO: 95

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

210 - Andrew Murphy
163 - Frank Smith
162 - Tim Lopresto
161 - Raymond Gindler
158 - Allen Albertini
157 - Jethro Lee
157 - Cecil Tan
145 - Punchy Cote
145 - Howard Adams
144 - Johnny Cakes Sutton
142 - Cotton Simson
138 - Dave McBean
137 - Mark Krosser
137 - Johnny Swinson
136 - Bowie Castellon
134 - Otto Kahle
134 - Scott Fenner
133 - Jassen Nelson
131 - Remmy Paul
131 - Luke Riley
131 - Tobe Palmer
129 - David Wiskersham
124 - Bourbon Allen
124 - Art Booth
121 - Ahrend Nagel

Terry Schukraft, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 49
332-255, 56.6%, 3.73 ERA, 5516.2 IP, 1764 BB, 2056 K, 428 CG, 39 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
ERA+: 120
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 4
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: IP 1, CG 2, SHO 1
Career Top 25: Wins (10), K (21), CG (14)

Mark Ponfick, Last Season: 1945, HOF Standard: 55
334-252, 57.0%, 3.82 ERA, 5596 IP, 1184 BB, 2505 K, 463 CG, 41 SHO, 1.22 WHIP
ERA+: 115
POY Award: 1944
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: WHIP 2, Wins 1
Career Top 25: Wins (9), K's (5), CG (5), SHO (25)

Corky Stell, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 26
163-108, 60.2%, 3.30 ERA, 15 SV, 2409 IP, 820 BB, 986 K, 30 CG, 8 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
ERA+: 131
POY Award: 1949, 1952, 1953
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 4
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, Wins 2
Career Top 25: NONE

canadiancreed · 12-15-2005, 01:27 PM

Bowden
Howard
Wing
Ponfick
Schukraft
Lee
Stuart
Stell
Nunez
Ormiston

this has to be the smallest class ever. Is it the deep breath before the plunge of Kress and friends?

jeheinz72 · 12-15-2005, 01:28 PM

T. Howard
O. Wing
Ormiston
Schukraft
Stell
Ponfick
Arsenault

fvamos · 12-15-2005, 01:36 PM

Stuart
Nunez
Howard
Wing
Arsenault

Vris · 12-15-2005, 01:43 PM

Schukraft
Ponfick
Howard
Ormiston
Lee
Bowden
Nunez
Misisca

bigjas · 12-15-2005, 02:26 PM

Ricardo Bowden
Al Arsenault
Ogden Wing
Mark Ponfick

metsgeek · 12-15-2005, 03:09 PM

Lee
Wing
Howard
Nunez
Bowden
Arsenault
Schukraft
Ponfick
Stell

First time in quite a while I haven't voted for 10

Y0DA55 · 12-15-2005, 03:16 PM

Arsenault
Howard
Wing
Schukraft
Ponfick
Stell

tward13 · 12-15-2005, 03:48 PM

Howard
Wing
Schukraft
Ponfick
Stell
Bowden

DamnYankees · 12-15-2005, 04:10 PM

Ted Stuart
Tom Howard
Ogden Wing
Herschel Lee
Luther Ormiston
Terry Schukraft
Mark Ponfick

Matt from TN · 12-15-2005, 04:21 PM

I love seeing the votes pile up so quickly

bowden
stuart
misisca
howard
wing
schukraft
ponfick
Lee - I had a tough time including him, believe it or not. I fully expect him to get in when players' Negro League careers are considered, if not before. In 1971, Satchel Paige was inducted, and Buck Leonard in 1972.

I also had a tough time not including Ormiston, but he just didn't have the complete package to me. RBI are influence by the great Tigers dynasty. HR's helped by playing home games in Detroit. His average is weak, and I remember his "off" years when his average & OPS dipped a bit too low for me. I think my standards are getting a lot more strict with the "live era" players.

fhomess · 12-15-2005, 04:25 PM

LF Al Arsenault
SS Tom Howard
SS Ted Stuart
LF Ogden Wing
SP Corky Stell

fhomess · 12-15-2005, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Lee - I had a tough time including him, believe it or not. I fully expect him to get in when players' Negro League careers are considered, if not before. In 1971, Satchel Paige was inducted, and Buck Leonard in 1972.

Lee was really good but for such a short time. While he wasn't young when he came over to MLB, it's not like he was old, either, as he was 26.

Matt from TN · 12-15-2005, 04:28 PM

Maybe it's just me, but it seems odd to me to see Arsenault voted for and not Misisca. I nearly voted for Al - he was consistent, but Mo was dominant in his prime. Unfortunately, a brief prime.

jeheinz72 · 12-15-2005, 05:22 PM

I just couldn't vote for Lee, just not a long enough career. When Negro careers are counted, it may be different

nomar363 · 12-15-2005, 06:03 PM

Bowden
Stuart
Howard
Wing
Lee
Ormiston
Ponfick
Schukraft
Stell
Nunez- added him at the last minute

pat · 12-15-2005, 06:17 PM

Wing
Howard
Stell
Stuart
Lee
Nunez
Bowden
Arsenault
Schukraft
Ponfick

jdw · 12-15-2005, 07:36 PM

Will Groaning
Tom Howard
Hershel Lee
Maurice Misisca
Luther Ormiston
Terry Schukraft
Corky Stell
Ted Stuart
Ogden Wing

John

Matt from TN · 12-15-2005, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw

Will Groaning

He fell off the ballot last year.

ifspuds · 12-15-2005, 08:28 PM

Stuart
Howard
Perly
Wing
Schukraft
Lee
Ormiston

12-15-2005, 01:14 PM	#1
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1963 1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results, 1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results, 1956 Results, 1957 Results, 1958 Results, 1959 Results, 1960 Results (lost in board crash) 1961 Results, 1962 Results John Clarkson, Elmer Flick, Sam Rice and Eppa Rixey were elected to the RL HOF by the BBWAA in 1963. All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1963 (retired after 1957 season). All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected. This is Ricardo Bowden's final year on the ballot. Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10. HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max. PLEASE NOTE: Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII Note: OPS+ and ERA+ are listed for all players now. 100 is considered league average. The higher the # the better the player. This lets you see how they did in relation to the players of their generation while also letting you compare their dominance of the league to players from different eras. Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference: 189 - Woody Woodson 166 - Dark Horse Allen 163 - Jason Tedford 159 - Whitey Kohse 158 - Oscar Vancini 152 - Jed Burke 152 - Patrick Seifried 149 - Genaro Nunez 148 - Whiskey Allen 146 - Peaches Badeau 145 - Blake Crocitto 141 - Ben Baum 141 - Tee Carver 140 - Bud Breckenridge 140 - John Falise 140 - Ray Brown 140 - Scott Podlasek 140 - Dale Lamberty 140 - Bobby Martin 139 - Dewey Mickelsen 138 - Tyrell Chestnut 137 - Kid Fite 137 - Will Miller 137 - Steven Bussell 136 - Harry Cohan 136 - Jared Jarry 135 - John Klehammer 135 - Jimmy Ditty 134 - Carl Kahle 133 - Slap Hertzog 133 - Flaky Arsenault 133 - Roy Hobbs 133 - Dave Arkless 132 - Adolf Greisbach 132 - John Schmieder 132 - Cookie Parrish 131 - Chuck Rauch 131 - Nick Graves 130 - Sunny Davie 129 - Tom Turley 129 - George Ward 129 - Ping Hung 129 - Herman Dunkel 127 - Campbell Ditty 127 - Troy Kinnear 126 - Bull Zegri 124 - Levi Walls 123 - Dale Reneau 123 - Alan Liao 122 - Sam Kass 122 - Sal Rossi 121 - Quenton Misisca 120 - Ervin Skjerly 118 - Gus Kahle 114 - Jonny Perly 114 - Jon Minzey 110 - David McAuliffe Batters Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): AVG: .364 Hits: 4000 HR: 557 RBI: 1906 2B: 665 BB: 1962 R: 2004 SB: 1297 Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 57 2510 H, 541 2B, 68 HR, 888 RBI, 1352 R, 648 K, 514 BB, 657 SB, .318 AVG, .816 OPS WWII OPS+: 120 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1928 Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 2 Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1, Runs 3 Career Top 25: 2B (14), SB (12) Ted Stuart, SS, Last Season: 1948, HOF Standard: 31 1800 H, 258 2B, 45 HR, 757 RBI, 797 R, 631 K, 547 BB, 31 SB, .296 AVG, .749 OPS OPS+: 110 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 9 Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Al Arsenault, LF, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 47 2359 H, 557 2B, 285 HR, 1458 RBI, 1341 R, 414 K, 941 BB, 129 SB, .287 AVG, .854 OPS OPS+: 135 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 2, 3B 1, RBI 1 Career Top 25: HR (16), RBI (22), 2B (10) Maurice Misisca, 3B, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 34 1657 H, 214 2B, 233 HR, 944 RBI, 849 R, 453 K, 674 BB, 68 SB, .291 AVG, .835 OPS OPS+: 137 BOY Award: 1943, 1944, 1946 ROY Award: 1931 Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OBP 2, SLG 2, OPS 1, HR 2, RBI 1 Career Top 25: NONE Genarito Nunez, 3B, Last Season: 1954, HOF Standard: 49 2432 H, 425 2B, 144 HR, 1151 RBI, 1159 R, 554 K, 567 BB, 141 SB, .314 AVG, .816 OPS WWII - 2 Yrs OPS+: 127 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 1 Career Top 25: NONE Tom Howard, SS, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 48 2100 H, 373 2B, 193 HR, 1010 RBI, 1035 R, 675 K, 533 BB, 91 SB, .311 AVG, .856 OPS WWII - 1 Yr OPS+: 139 BOY Award: 1947 ROY Award: 1943 Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 4 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 2 Led League in: SLG 2, OPS 2, Hits 3, 2B 1, 3B 1, HR 1, RBI 1, Runs 1 Career Top 25: NONE Ogden Wing, LF, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 45 2297 H, 302 2B, 200 HR, 1018 RBI, 1370 R, 748 K, 1037 BB, 276 SB, .307 AVG, .854 OPS WWII - 2 Yrs OPS+: 141 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 3 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: 2 Led League in: OBP 2, OPS 1, Hits 2, 3B 2, Runs 4 Career Top 25: NONE NEW Hershel Lee, C, Last Season: 1957, HOF Standard: 37 1105 H, 211 2B, 237 HR, 798 RBI, 665 R, 574 K, 536 BB, 4 SB, .276 AVG, .886 OPS OPS+: 142 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1948 Gold Gloves: 3 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Doubles 1 Career Top 25: NONE Luther Ormiston, 3B, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 38 1309 H, 262 2B, 281 HR, 1039 RBI, 888 R, 614 K, 886 BB, 27 SB, .273 AVG, .909 OPS OPS+: 150 BOY Award: 1948, 1952 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 4 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, HR 2, RBI 4 Career Top 25: NONE Hershel Cooley, LF, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 26 1959 H, 369 2B, 24 HR, 712 RBI, 1107 R, 810 K, 652 BB, 442 SB, .294 AVG, .755 OPS OPS+: 112 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 1, 3B 1, Runs 1, SB 2 Career Top 25: NONE Nick Pursell, 3B, Last Season: 1957, HOF Standard: 28 1673 H, 262 2B, 145 HR, 815 RBI, 845 R, 448 K, 539 BB, 147 SB, .282 AVG, .783 OPS WWII - 1 Yr OPS+: 116 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 4 Career Top 25: NONE Pitchers Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): ERA: 2.10 W: 446 K: 3407 CG: 601 SHO: 95 Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference: 210 - Andrew Murphy 163 - Frank Smith 162 - Tim Lopresto 161 - Raymond Gindler 158 - Allen Albertini 157 - Jethro Lee 157 - Cecil Tan 145 - Punchy Cote 145 - Howard Adams 144 - Johnny Cakes Sutton 142 - Cotton Simson 138 - Dave McBean 137 - Mark Krosser 137 - Johnny Swinson 136 - Bowie Castellon 134 - Otto Kahle 134 - Scott Fenner 133 - Jassen Nelson 131 - Remmy Paul 131 - Luke Riley 131 - Tobe Palmer 129 - David Wiskersham 124 - Bourbon Allen 124 - Art Booth 121 - Ahrend Nagel Terry Schukraft, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 49 332-255, 56.6%, 3.73 ERA, 5516.2 IP, 1764 BB, 2056 K, 428 CG, 39 SHO, 1.27 WHIP ERA+: 120 POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 4 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: IP 1, CG 2, SHO 1 Career Top 25: Wins (10), K (21), CG (14) Mark Ponfick, Last Season: 1945, HOF Standard: 55 334-252, 57.0%, 3.82 ERA, 5596 IP, 1184 BB, 2505 K, 463 CG, 41 SHO, 1.22 WHIP ERA+: 115 POY Award: 1944 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 2 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: WHIP 2, Wins 1 Career Top 25: Wins (9), K's (5), CG (5), SHO (25) Corky Stell, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 26 163-108, 60.2%, 3.30 ERA, 15 SV, 2409 IP, 820 BB, 986 K, 30 CG, 8 SHO, 1.27 WHIP ERA+: 131 POY Award: 1949, 1952, 1953 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 4 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, Wins 2 Career Top 25: NONE __________________ Set in Stone... 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12-15-2005, 01:27 PM	#2
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Bowden Howard Wing Ponfick Schukraft Lee Stuart Stell Nunez Ormiston this has to be the smallest class ever. Is it the deep breath before the plunge of Kress and friends? __________________ PT21 PT22

12-15-2005, 01:28 PM	#3
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,163	T. Howard O. Wing Ormiston Schukraft Stell Ponfick Arsenault __________________ Join The Dugout!

12-15-2005, 01:43 PM	#5
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12-15-2005, 03:09 PM	#7
metsgeek Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norwood, MA Posts: 5,450	Lee Wing Howard Nunez Bowden Arsenault Schukraft Ponfick Stell First time in quite a while I haven't voted for 10 __________________ Commissioner - PBRL - Just finished 2009 109 seasons and still running strong!!!

12-15-2005, 01:36 PM	#4
fvamos Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 75	Stuart Nunez Howard Wing Arsenault

12-15-2005, 02:26 PM	#6
bigjas Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olive Hill, KY Posts: 279	Ricardo Bowden Al Arsenault Ogden Wing Mark Ponfick

12-15-2005, 03:16 PM	#8
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12-15-2005, 03:48 PM	#9
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Howard Wing Schukraft Ponfick Stell Bowden

12-15-2005, 04:10 PM	#10
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12-15-2005, 04:21 PM	#11
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	I love seeing the votes pile up so quickly bowden stuart misisca howard wing schukraft ponfick Lee - I had a tough time including him, believe it or not. I fully expect him to get in when players' Negro League careers are considered, if not before. In 1971, Satchel Paige was inducted, and Buck Leonard in 1972. I also had a tough time not including Ormiston, but he just didn't have the complete package to me. RBI are influence by the great Tigers dynasty. HR's helped by playing home games in Detroit. His average is weak, and I remember his "off" years when his average & OPS dipped a bit too low for me. I think my standards are getting a lot more strict with the "live era" players. __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

12-15-2005, 04:25 PM	#12
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12-15-2005, 04:28 PM	#14
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Maybe it's just me, but it seems odd to me to see Arsenault voted for and not Misisca. I nearly voted for Al - he was consistent, but Mo was dominant in his prime. Unfortunately, a brief prime. __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

12-15-2005, 05:22 PM	#15
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,163	I just couldn't vote for Lee, just not a long enough career. When Negro careers are counted, it may be different __________________ Join The Dugout!

12-15-2005, 06:03 PM	#16
nomar363 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 91	Bowden Stuart Howard Wing Lee Ormiston Ponfick Schukraft Stell Nunez- added him at the last minute

12-15-2005, 06:17 PM	#17
pat Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 2,748	Wing Howard Stell Stuart Lee Nunez Bowden Arsenault Schukraft Ponfick __________________ Co-Founder & Technical Director at ExaWeb Corporation, an SEO company in the Philippines. Previous Leagues - Time Warp Baseball / International Federation of Baseball / Professional Baseball Replay League / No Pepper Baseball League / MLB Pro Current OOTP 24 Leagues - Sim Sports Gaming - (2016-Present) Washington Nationals (2016-2022) *2017 Champions Oakland Athletics (2023-Present)

12-15-2005, 07:36 PM	#18
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Will Groaning Tom Howard Hershel Lee Maurice Misisca Luther Ormiston Terry Schukraft Corky Stell Ted Stuart Ogden Wing John

12-15-2005, 08:28 PM	#20
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