VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1969

[Matt from TN]

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1966 Results, 1967 Results, 1968 Results


Stan Musial and Roy Campanella were elected to the RL HOF by the BBWAA in 1969. Stan Coveleski and Waite Hoyt were elected by the VC.

All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1969 (retired after 1963 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max.

PLEASE NOTE:
Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII

Note: OPS+ and ERA+ are listed for all players now. 100 is considered league average. The higher the # the better the player. This lets you see how they did in relation to the players of their generation while also letting you compare their dominance of the league to players from different eras.

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

189 - Woody Woodson
186 - Ray Kress
166 - Dark Horse Allen
163 - Jason Tedford
159 - Whitey Kohse
158 - Oscar Vancini
152 - Jed Burke
152 - Patrick Seifried
149 - Genaro Nunez
148 - Whiskey Allen
148 - Ken Chaucer
146 - Peaches Badeau
145 - Blake Crocitto
142 - Hershel Lee
141 - Ben Baum
141 - Tee Carver
141 - Ogden Wing
140 - Bud Breckenridge
140 - John Falise
140 - Ray Brown
140 - Scott Podlasek
140 - Dale Lamberty
140 - Bobby Martin
139 - Dewey Mickelsen
139 - Tom Howard
138 - Tyrell Chestnut
138 - Wolter Tjeenk-Willink
137 - Kid Fite
137 - Will Miller
137 - Steven Bussell
137 - Ted McMurray
136 - Harry Cohan
136 - Jared Jarry
135 - John Klehammer
135 - Jimmy Ditty
134 - Carl Kahle
133 - Slap Hertzog
133 - Flaky Arsenault
133 - Roy Hobbs
133 - Dave Arkless
133 - Matt Perly
132 - Adolf Greisbach
132 - John Schmieder
132 - Cookie Parrish
131 - Chuck Rauch
131 - Nick Graves
130 - Sunny Davie
129 - Tom Turley
129 - George Ward
129 - Ping Hung
129 - Herman Dunkel
129 - Moonlight Graham
128 - Morris Lutske
127 - Campbell Ditty
127 - Troy Kinnear
127 - Mike Fellner
126 - Bull Zegri
124 - Levi Walls
123 - Dale Reneau
123 - Alan Liao
122 - Sam Kass
122 - Sal Rossi
121 - Quenton Misisca
120 - Ervin Skjerly
118 - Gus Kahle
114 - Jonny Perly
114 - Jon Minzey
110 - David McAuliffe
102 - Harry Finley


Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .364
Hits: 4000
HR: 585
RBI: 1906
2B: 665
BB: 1962
R: 2004
SB: 1297



Ted Stuart, SS, Last Season: 1948, HOF Standard: 31
1800 H, 258 2B, 45 HR, 757 RBI, 797 R, 631 K, 547 BB, 31 SB, .296 AVG, .749 OPS
OPS+: 110
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 9
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1969



Al Arsenault, LF, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 47
2359 H, 557 2B, 285 HR, 1458 RBI, 1341 R, 414 K, 941 BB, 129 SB, .287 AVG, .854 OPS
OPS+: 135
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 2, 3B 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: HR (16), RBI (22), 2B (10)
Final Year on Ballot: 1971



Maurice Misisca, 3B, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 34
1657 H, 214 2B, 233 HR, 944 RBI, 849 R, 453 K, 674 BB, 68 SB, .291 AVG, .835 OPS
OPS+: 137
BOY Award: 1943, 1944, 1946
ROY Award: 1931
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 3
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 2, SLG 2, OPS 1, HR 2, RBI 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1971



Genarito Nunez, 3B, Last Season: 1954, HOF Standard: 49
2432 H, 425 2B, 144 HR, 1151 RBI, 1159 R, 554 K, 567 BB, 141 SB, .314 AVG, .816 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 127
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1975



Luther Ormiston, 3B, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 38
1309 H, 262 2B, 281 HR, 1039 RBI, 888 R, 614 K, 886 BB, 27 SB, .273 AVG, .909 OPS
OPS+: 150
BOY Award: 1948, 1952
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 4
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, HR 2, RBI 4
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1977



Lonny Arrendale, 1B, Last Season: 1958, HOF Standard: 38
2063 H, 238 2B, 324 HR, 1148 RBI, 1050 R, 914 K, 979 BB, 11 SB, .306 AVG, .888 OPS
OPS+: 147
BOY Award: 1949
ROY Award: 1944
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: HR (24)
Final Year on Ballot: 1979



Bud Ayers, 3B, Last Season: 1959, HOF Standard: 44
2347 H, 393 2B, 261 HR, 1313 RBI, 1124 R, 438 K, 811 BB, 3 SB, .290 AVG, .798 OPS
WWII - 1 Yr
OPS+: 121
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1980



Bobby Johnson, 1B, Last Season: 1960, HOF Standard: 29
1932 H, 380 2B, 363 HR, 1348 RBI, 989 R, 861 K, 527 BB, 12 SB, .286 AVG, .849 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 133
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 2, HR 1, RBI 2
Career Top 25: HR (11)
Final Year on Ballot: 1981



Ben Giordano, 1B, Last Season: 1961, HOF Standard: 31
2362 H, 274 2B, 224 HR, 1242 RBI, 999 R, 584 K, 589 BB, 7 SB, .310 AVG, .801 OPS
OPS+: 124
BOY Award: 1953
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 1957
Led League in: Hits 2, TB 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1982



Ben Cook, 3B, Last Season: 1961, HOF Standard: 36
1722 H, 175 2B, 129 HR, 665 RBI, 1254 R, 476 K, 1391 BB, 575 SB, .260 AVG, .760 OPS
OPS+: 114
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 3
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Runs 2, SB 7, BB 5
Career Top 25: SB (19), BB (20)
Final Year on Ballot: 1982


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Mark Silcox, CF, Last Season: 1963, HOF Standard: 53
2434 H, 352 2B, 363 HR, 1421 RBI, 1208 R, 864 K, 328 BB, 225 SB, .306 AVG, .848 OPS
OPS+: 133
BOY Award: 1956, 1957, 1958
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: 1956
Led League in: SLG 3, OPS 2, Runs 2, Hits 2, 3B 2, HR 2, RBI 3
Career Top 25: HR (12)
Final Year on Ballot: 1984



Rudel Dietrich, CF, Last Season: 1963, HOF Standard: 48
2277 H, 380 2B, 203 HR, 1088 RBI, 1088 R, 787 K, 875 BB, 20 SB, .313 AVG, .858 OPS
OPS+: 138
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 3
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1984



Victor Estevez, SS, Last Season: 1963, HOF Standard: 27
1608 H, 223 2B, 117 HR, 680 RBI, 813 R, 640 K, 700 BB, 54 SB, .280 AVG, .749 OPS
OPS+: 108
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1984



Biff Betters, C, Last Season: 1963, HOF Standard: 34
1937 H, 360 2B, 88 HR, 845 RBI, 791 R, 730 K, 653 BB, 18 SB, .292 AVG, .751 OPS
OPS+: 110
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 5
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1984



Jesse Baker, LF, Last Season: 1963, HOF Standard: 22
1467 H, 254 2B, 226 HR, 928 RBI, 950 R, 602 K, 813 BB, 42 SB, .268 AVG, .837 OPS
OPS+: 129
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 5
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1984



Vince Chipple, 1B, Last Season: 1963, HOF Standard: 22
1953 H, 299 2B, 159 HR, 904 RBI, 863 R, 614 K, 663 BB, 25 SB, .299 AVG, .790 OPS
OPS+: 117
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 1952
Led League in: 2B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1984






Pitchers

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 446
K: 4017
CG: 601
SHO: 95

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

210 - Andrew Murphy
163 - Frank Smith
162 - Tim Lopresto
161 - Raymond Gindler
158 - Allen Albertini
157 - Jethro Lee
157 - Cecil Tan
145 - Punchy Cote
145 - Howard Adams
145 - Bourbon Allen Jr.
144 - Johnny Cakes Sutton
142 - Cotton Simson
138 - Dave McBean
137 - Mark Krosser
137 - Johnny Swinson
136 - Bowie Castellon
135 - Ken Zinn
134 - Otto Kahle
134 - Scott Fenner
133 - Jassen Nelson
131 - Remmy Paul
131 - Luke Riley
131 - Tobe Palmer
129 - David Wiskersham
125 - Grady Ingram
124 - Bourbon Allen
124 - Art Booth
121 - Ahrend Nagel
120 - Terry Schukraft
116 - John Nolting
116 - Hal Andrew
115 - Mark Ponfick



Corky Stell, Last Season: 1956, HOF Standard: 26
163-108, 60.2%, 3.30 ERA, 15 SV, 2409 IP, 820 BB, 986 K, 30 CG, 8 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
ERA+: 131
POY Award: 1949, 1952, 1953
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 4
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, Wins 2
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1977



Bud Ulrich, Last Season: 1962, HOF Standard: 35
210-125, 62.7%, 3.88 ERA, 3274.2 IP, 1411 BB, 2085 K, 73 CG, 16 SHO, 1.34 WHIP
ERA+: 108
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1949
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 5
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1983


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Eric Williams, Last Season: 1962, HOF Standard: 19
155-126, 55.2%, 3.82 ERA, 2589.1 IP, 482 BB, 869 K, 107 CG, 13 SHO, 1.23 WHIP
ERA+: 114
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1983



Matt Keyes Jr., Last Season: 1962, HOF Standard: 17
177-169, 51.1%, 3.85 ERA, 3387.1 IP, 562 BB, 1171 K, 166 CG, 18 SHO, 1.25 WHIP
ERA+: 109
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1949
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Losses 1, CG 2, IP 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1983

[DamnYankees]

Stuart
Orminston
Arrendale
Silcox

[jeheinz72]

Stuart - Last chance for him!
Arsenault
Ormiston
Arrendale
Johnson
Silcox
Dietrich
Betters

[jeheinz72]

Weird, Cato only gives Biff 1 WS Title, Matt 2, when it should be 3, correct?

[jeheinz72]

Nevermind, only 6 games in 1945, not sure if that means he wouldn't get credit

[Chappy]

Orminston
Silcox

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Nevermind, only 6 games in 1945, not sure if that means he wouldn't get credit

in the game he had a WS for 1945

[canadiancreed]

Arsenault
Nunez
Silcox
Dietrich
Betters
Ulrich
Staurt
Cook
Avers
Arrendale

[fvamos]

Stuart
Silcox
Arrendale
Nunez
Dietrich

[tward13]

Stell
Stuart (last time, let's get a great defensive player in the Hall)
Silcox

[Elendil]

Stuart
Arsenault
Nunez
Silcox
Dietrich

[Elendil]

My argument for why Arrendale and Ormiston (probably) don't belong:

First, Arrendale:

1) Played 1B.
2) Only 1 BOY.
3) Never led league in anything (except total bases one year).
4) Short career resulting in low count stats.
5) Most importantly, his OPS+ is inflated by having played in Philadelphia most of his career. Yes, he also played for the White Sox for three years, but I don't think that cancels out the benefit he received from Shibe as a righthanded hitter.

Next, Ormiston:

1) Very short career resulting in ridiculously low count stats. He didn't even score 1000 runs.
2) 0 gold gloves at 3B.
3) HR & OPS+ totals wildly inflated by having played his whole career in Detroit.
4) Never even played 150 games in a season & was worthless by age 35.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by tward13

Stell
Stuart (last time, let's get a great defensive player in the Hall)
Silcox

he was a tossup between Staurt and Stell. While I stand by my choice, it was a painful one.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by Elendil

My argument for why Arrendale and Ormiston (probably) don't belong:

First, Arrendale:

1) Played 1B.
2) Only 1 BOY.
3) Never led league in anything (except total bases one year).
4) Short career resulting in low count stats.
5) Most importantly, his OPS+ is inflated by having played in Philadelphia most of his career. Yes, he also played for the White Sox for three years, but I don't think that cancels out the benefit he received from Shibe as a righthanded hitter.

Next, Ormiston:

1) Very short career resulting in ridiculously low count stats. He didn't even score 1000 runs.
2) 0 gold gloves at 3B.
3) HR & OPS+ totals wildly inflated by having played his whole career in Detroit.
4) Never even played 150 games in a season & was worthless by age 35.

for Orniston, played a pivitol role for one of the grestest dynasties of the live era. IN his prime would have been a #3 for almost any team.

For Arrendale one of the best hitters for the Philly machine in the late 40's, considered to be on par with Chaucer in his prime. Helped Chicago to their only WS in 1950

[Elendil]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

for Orniston, played a pivitol role for one of the grestest dynasties of the live era. IN his prime would have been a #3 for almost any team.

For Arrendale one of the best hitters for the Philly machine in the late 40's, considered to be on par with Chaucer in his prime. Helped Chicago to their only WS in 1950

Right - I just don't think players who were great for a short span of time should be considered all-time greats, especially when they are not "complete players" who revolutionize the sport in some way. (Both Ormiston and Arrendale were more or less hitting machines who couldn't field or run very well.)

[DamnYankees]

Originally Posted by Elendil

Right - I just don't think players who were great for a short span of time should be considered all-time greats, especially when they are not "complete players" who revolutionize the sport in some way. (Both Ormiston and Arrendale were more or less hitting machines who couldn't field or run very well.)

Ormiston was a monster for 11 years. That's a short span of time?

[BPS]

Stuart
Silcox
Ayers

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by Elendil

Right - I just don't think players who were great for a short span of time should be considered all-time greats, especially when they are not "complete players" who revolutionize the sport in some way. (Both Ormiston and Arrendale were more or less hitting machines who couldn't field or run very well.)

by this logic, KOufax would have just bee a "good pitcher"

[rogmax11]

Silcox
Misisca
Arrendale
Arsenault
Stuart
Ayers
Ormiston
Betters

[kreitena]

Stuart
Nunez
Arrendale
Silcox