VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1958

Matt from TN · 06-29-2005, 01:04 AM

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results,
1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results,
1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results,
1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results,
1956 Results, 1957 Results

No one was elected to the RL HOF in 1958.

All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1958 (retired after 1952 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max.

PLEASE NOTE:
Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII

Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .364
Hits: 4000
HR: 557
RBI: 1906
2B: 665
BB: 1962
R: 2004
SB: 1297

Willard Schwarz, C, Last Season: 1937, HOF Standard: 41
2050 H, 359 2B, 340 HR, 1399 RBI, 1106 R, 614 K, 595 BB, 14 SB, .260 AVG, .760 OPS
BOY Award: 1932
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 8
Pennants: 6
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, HR 3, RBI 1, R 1
Career Top 25: HR (4)

Jon Minzey, CF, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57
2988 H, 430 2B, 54 HR, 1098 RBI, 1568 R, 600 K, 710 BB, 364 SB, .316 AVG, .801 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 1
Career Top 25: Runs (23), Hits (23)

Troy Kinnear, 3B, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57
2412 H, 602 2B, 332 HR, 1595 RBI, 1423 R, 933 K, 1407 BB, 46 SB, .272 AVG, .858 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 1, HR 1, BB 1
Career Top 25: 2B (6), HR (6), RBI (14), BB (15)

Harry Finley, C, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44
1982 H, 373 2B, 87 HR, 910 RBI, 1139 R, 788 K, 508 BB, 632 SB, .288 AVG, .761 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 10
Pennants: 7
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 2
Career Top 25: SB (14)

Dave "Red Fox" Arkless, CF, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 55
2439 H, 401 2B, 285 HR, 1292 RBI, 1418 R, 453 K, 1036 BB, 140 SB, .297 AVG, .855 OPS
WWII
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 7
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: Hits 2, Runs 1
Career Top 25: HR (13)

Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 57
2510 H, 541 2B, 68 HR, 888 RBI, 1352 R, 648 K, 514 BB, 657 SB, .318 AVG, .816 OPS
WWII
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1928
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1, Runs 3
Career Top 25: 2B (14), SB (12)

Alan Liao, 3B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 65
3065 H, 527 2B, 144 HR, 1349 RBI, 1616 R, 476 K, 1482 BB, 270 SB, .301 AVG, .805 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 1, Runs 1, BB 1
Career Top 25: Hits (19), 2B (21), Runs (17), BB (11)

Bobby Martin, 2B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 59
2623 H, 548 2B, 124 HR, 1151 RBI, 1349 R, 621 K, 1007 BB, 21 SB, .319 AVG, .858 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1931
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: OBP 1, OPS 1, Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1
Career Top 25: 2B (11)

Leonard "Sunny" Davie, C, Last Season: 1948, HOF Standard: 64
2639 H, 533 2B, 254 HR, 1368 RBI, 1592 R, 887 K, 1534 BB, 285 SB, .285 AVG, .832 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 2, Runs 1, BB 2
Career Top 25: HR (20), 2B (18), BB (7), R (21)

Swervin' Ervin Skjerly, 2B/CF, Last Season: 1948, HOF Standard: 57
2819 H, 388 2B, 85 HR, 1199 RBI, 1402 R, 895 K, 1203 BB, 284 SB, .308 AVG, .795 OPS
BOY Award: 1935
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 10
WS Victories: 6
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: RBI 1, BB 1
Career Top 25: NONE

Ted Stuart, SS, Last Season: 1948, HOF Standard: 31
1800 H, 258 2B, 45 HR, 757 RBI, 797 R, 631 K, 547 BB, 31 SB, .296 AVG, .749 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 9
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE

Dewey Mickelsen, LF, Last Season: 1949, HOF Standard: 50
2560 H, 329 2B, 335 HR, 1322 RBI, 1431 R, 589 K, 1138 BB, 17 SB, .294 AVG, .857 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 2, OPS 1, HR 1, BB 1
Career Top 25: HR (6)

Ping Hung, CF, Last Season: 1949, HOF Standard: 56
2552 H, 306 2B, 55 HR, 933 RBI, 1360 R, 549 K, 729 BB, 828 SB, .338 AVG, .830 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
BOY Award: 1942
ROY Award: 1930
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 7
WS Victories: 5
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 2, Runs 1, SB 7
Career Top 25: AVG (14), SB (4)

Bud Breckenridge, CF, Last Season: 1949, HOF Standard: 61
2434 H, 304 2B, 180 HR, 1232 RBI, 1580 R, 792 K, 1437 BB, 759 SB, .303 AVG, .857 OPS
BOY Award: 1942
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: OBP 4, OPS 1, 3B 2, Runs 4, BB 2
Career Top 25: Runs (23), BB (14), SB (7)

Al Arsenault, LF, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 47
2359 H, 557 2B, 285 HR, 1458 RBI, 1341 R, 414 K, 941 BB, 129 SB, .287 AVG, .854 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 2, 3B 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: HR (16), RBI (22), 2B (10)

Maurice Misisca, 3B, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 34
1657 H, 214 2B, 233 HR, 944 RBI, 849 R, 453 K, 674 BB, 68 SB, .291 AVG, .835 OPS
BOY Award: 1943, 1944, 1946
ROY Award: 1931
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 2, SLG 2, OPS 1, HR 2, RBI 1
Career Top 25: NONE

NEW

Blake Crocitto, SS, Last Season: 1952, HOF Standard: 75
3452 H, 522 2B, 155 HR, 1408 RBI, 1632 R, 940 K, 1152 BB, 940 SB, .346 AVG, .888 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
BOY Award: 1934, 1941
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 3
Batting Titles: 7
Led League in: OBP 3, SLG 4, OPS 5, Hits 6, 3B 1, Runs 3
Career Top 25: AVG (7), Hits (5), Doubles (23), Runs (16)

Jonathan Wright, RF, Last Season: 1952, HOF Standard: 55
2869 H, 543 2B, 251 HR, 1401 RBI, 1284 R, 810 K, 725 BB, 24 SB, .327 AVG, .861 OPS
WWII - 3 Yrs
BOY Award: 1935
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: 4
Led League in: OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, Hits 2, 2B 3
Career Top 25: 2B (13)

Tequila Allen, 3B, Last Season: 1951, HOF Standard: 42
2567 H, 394 2B, 172 HR, 1193 RBI, 1124 R, 757 K, 703 BB, 26 SB, .300 AVG, .772 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE

Andy Martineau, SS/3B, Last Season: 1952, HOF Standard: 35
1420 H, 162 2B, 81 HR, 615 RBI, 721 R, 605 K, 738 BB, 41 SB, .303 AVG, .803 OPS
WWII - 3 Yrs
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: OBP 1
Career Top 25: NONE

Cy Helbig, CF, Last Season: 1952, HOF Standard: 44
1588 H, 217 2B, 124 HR, 754 RBI, 874 R, 417 K, 694 BB, 109 SB, .328 AVG, .890 OPS
WWII - 3 Yrs
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1941
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: OBP 1, OPS 1, Hits 1, Runs 1
Career Top 25: NONE

Pitchers

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 446
K: 3407
CG: 601
SHO: 95

Terry Schukraft, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 49
332-255, 56.6%, 3.73 ERA, 5516.2 IP, 1764 BB, 2056 K, 428 CG, 39 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 4
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: IP 1, CG 2, SHO 1
Career Top 25: Wins (10), K (21), CG (14)

Mark Ponfick, Last Season: 1945, HOF Standard: 55
334-252, 57.0%, 3.82 ERA, 5596 IP, 1184 BB, 2505 K, 463 CG, 41 SHO, 1.22 WHIP
POY Award: 1944
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: WHIP 2, Wins 1
Career Top 25: Wins (9), K's (5), CG (5), SHO (25)

Schoolboy Emberling, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 29
217-191, 53.2%, 3.52 ERA, 3925 IP, 787 BB, 1290 K, 311 CG, 32 SHO, 1.25 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 1, Wins 2, CG 3
Career Top 25: NONE

Bob Bussmann, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 40
193-102, 10 Sv, 65.4%, 3.12 ERA, 2840.2 IP, 625 BB, 1326 K, 124 CG, 27 SHO, 1.19 WHIP
POY Award: 1949
ROY Award: 1937
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 2
Career Top 25: NONE

NEW

Chris Frays, Last Season: 1952, HOF Standard: 18
147-116, 55.9%, 3.78 ERA, 2467 IP, 672 BB, 1135 K, 121 CG, 16 SHO, 1.31 WHIP
WWII - 3.5 Yrs
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1938
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE

tward13 · 06-29-2005, 01:22 AM

Wright
Crocitto
Schukraft
Ponfick
Kinnear
Liao
Martin
Skjerly
Hung
Breckenridge

canadiancreed · 06-29-2005, 01:32 AM

Blake Crocitto <--Holy HOF standard batman!

Alan Laio
Leonard "Sunny" Davie
Bud Breckenridge

Jon Minzey
Troy Kinnear
Dave "Red Fox" Arkless
Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden
Bobby Martin
Swervin' Ervin Skjerly

YankeeFanatic04 · 06-29-2005, 02:11 AM

Willard Schwarz
Jon Minzey
Dave Arkless
Alan Liao
Ervin Skjerly
Blake Crocitto
Terry Schukraft
Mark Ponfick

DamnYankees · 06-29-2005, 10:11 AM

Minzey
Liao
Hung
Breckenridge
Crocitto
Wright

Vris · 06-29-2005, 11:03 AM

What a time for this to come out. My vote may be in later tonight or tomorrow.

bigjas · 06-29-2005, 12:27 PM

Blake Crocitto
Alan Liao
Leonard Davie
Bud Breckenridge
Bobby Martin
Jon Minzey
Troy Kinnear
Ricardo Bowden
Ervin Skjerly
Ping Hung

ifspuds · 06-29-2005, 12:51 PM

Kinnear
Arkless
Davie
Mickelsen
Breckenridge
Crocitto
Wright
Liao
Skjerly

Dagrims · 06-29-2005, 01:09 PM

Schwarz - farewell, my friend
Kinnear
Davie
Hung
Minzey
Breckenridge
Crocitto
Ponfick
Wright

Y0DA55 · 06-29-2005, 01:12 PM

Kinnear
Liao
Davie
Schwarz
Breckenridge
Arsenault
Crocitto
Wright
Schukraft
Ponfick

gcsii99 · 06-29-2005, 01:14 PM

Wright
Crocitto
Breckenridge
Davie
Hung
Liao
Ponfick

Matt from TN · 06-29-2005, 01:19 PM

IMO, Ponfick and Schukraft and their 300+ wins get no respect. Schukraft was part of the Pfour and still isn't in. At least he did better than my Pfavorite of the Phour, Tobe Palmer, who was dissed so badly he didn't get the requestite 5% in his first year. Luckily he is VC eligible *THIS* year and I hope he gets his due.

rogmax11 · 06-29-2005, 02:52 PM

Blake Crocitto-a true "no-brainer" who had his impressive stats partially truncated by WW2, and proud owner of one of the best nicknames ever.
Jon Wright- Devastating offensive performer, the Dodgers sucked after he was traded, and a darn good nickname in his own right.
Mark Ponfick- long overdue, should have a chance this time around, hard to ignore all those wins.
Terry Schukraft- See above; Matts comments are spot-on for this duo.
Ping Hung- the numbers are there, but what kind of a name is "Ping"?
Alan Liao- difficult to exclude from this group, premier player at his position among his generation.
Troy Kinnear- sure, its a goofy photo, but check that OPS.
Bobby Martin- Ive waffled on this guy in the past, but he does have glorious numbers and somehow feels like a HOF member. Plus, any guy nicknamed "Tree" that handled the lumber as well as Martin did gets a pass in my book.
Bud Breckenridge- terrific career, with offense that squeezes him past Jon Minzey. Plus, his sister Myra was a real looker.
Harry Finley- yes, Davie has bigger power numbers, and Schwartz was the first major banger of his era, but look at all those GGs and factor in 600+ stolen bases and you have the benchmark player at his position.

jdw · 06-29-2005, 03:26 PM

Dave Arkless
Bud Breckenridge
Leonard Davie
Blake Crocitto
Dewey Mickelsen
Maurice Misisca
Terry Schukraft
Ervin Skjerly
Ted Stuart
Jonathan Wright

jdw · 06-29-2005, 04:00 PM

I'm a little surprised by Wright not being on some ballots. I'm not sure what more a player needs to do.

He was 29-31 when off to the war. That was right when his power started to kick in, and it along with the deadening of the ball prior to leaving cut his dingers down to "just" 251.

Matt's off on his championship teams. It was:

1934 NL Champ Dodgers
1935 NL Champ Dodgers
1939 World Champ Dodgers
1940 NL Champ Dodgers
1949 World Champ Phils

Pennants: 5
WS Victories: 2

His post season "appearances" are reduced because of:

Injured on 9/24/1935 with a Strained Groin Muscle, out for one week

Injured on 9/22/1949 with a Torn Abdominal Muscle, out for 4-5 weeks

But he got both of those injuries after playing full seasons, helping his team with the pennant, but right before the Series.

John

metsgeek · 06-29-2005, 04:31 PM

Minzey
Arkless
Breckenridge
Crocitto
Wright
Liao
Hung
Bowden
Davie
Schukraft

m0ng00se · 06-29-2005, 05:16 PM

Blake Crocitto
Bud Breckenridge
Alan Liao
Jonathan Wright
Leonard "Sunny" Davie
Troy Kinnear
Ping Hung
Maurice Misisca
Terry Schukraft
Mark Ponfick

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogmax11

Ping Hung- the numbers are there, but what kind of a name is "Ping"?

Check out his player page... he's from Taiwan.

Vris · 06-29-2005, 05:22 PM

Now I can vote:

Schukraft
Ponfick
Crocitto
Finley
Hung
Skjerly
Arkless
Kinnear
Minzey
Wright

Ankhiel · 06-29-2005, 05:41 PM

Schwarz
Minzey
Liao
Arsenault
Croccitto
Wright

rogmax11 · 06-29-2005, 08:11 PM

I did note that Mr. Hung was Asian; I neglected to insert a smilie to deflect angst, relying on the light-hearted tone of my post to convey amusement. My bad.

06-29-2005, 01:04 AM	#1
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1958 1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results, 1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results, 1956 Results, 1957 Results No one was elected to the RL HOF in 1958. All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1958 (retired after 1952 season). All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected. Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10. HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max. PLEASE NOTE: Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII Batters Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): AVG: .364 Hits: 4000 HR: 557 RBI: 1906 2B: 665 BB: 1962 R: 2004 SB: 1297 Willard Schwarz, C, Last Season: 1937, HOF Standard: 41 2050 H, 359 2B, 340 HR, 1399 RBI, 1106 R, 614 K, 595 BB, 14 SB, .260 AVG, .760 OPS BOY Award: 1932 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 8 Pennants: 6 WS Victories: 5 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, HR 3, RBI 1, R 1 Career Top 25: HR (4) Jon Minzey, CF, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57 2988 H, 430 2B, 54 HR, 1098 RBI, 1568 R, 600 K, 710 BB, 364 SB, .316 AVG, .801 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 4 Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 1 Career Top 25: Runs (23), Hits (23) Troy Kinnear, 3B, Last Season: 1940, HOF Standard: 57 2412 H, 602 2B, 332 HR, 1595 RBI, 1423 R, 933 K, 1407 BB, 46 SB, .272 AVG, .858 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 1, HR 1, BB 1 Career Top 25: 2B (6), HR (6), RBI (14), BB (15) Harry Finley, C, Last Season: 1941, HOF Standard: 44 1982 H, 373 2B, 87 HR, 910 RBI, 1139 R, 788 K, 508 BB, 632 SB, .288 AVG, .761 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 10 Pennants: 7 WS Victories: 5 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 2 Career Top 25: SB (14) Dave "Red Fox" Arkless, CF, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 55 2439 H, 401 2B, 285 HR, 1292 RBI, 1418 R, 453 K, 1036 BB, 140 SB, .297 AVG, .855 OPS WWII BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 7 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: Hits 2, Runs 1 Career Top 25: HR (13) Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, SS, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 57 2510 H, 541 2B, 68 HR, 888 RBI, 1352 R, 648 K, 514 BB, 657 SB, .318 AVG, .816 OPS WWII BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1928 Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 2 Led League in: Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1, Runs 3 Career Top 25: 2B (14), SB (12) Alan Liao, 3B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 65 3065 H, 527 2B, 144 HR, 1349 RBI, 1616 R, 476 K, 1482 BB, 270 SB, .301 AVG, .805 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 1, Runs 1, BB 1 Career Top 25: Hits (19), 2B (21), Runs (17), BB (11) Bobby Martin, 2B, Last Season: 1946, HOF Standard: 59 2623 H, 548 2B, 124 HR, 1151 RBI, 1349 R, 621 K, 1007 BB, 21 SB, .319 AVG, .858 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1931 Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: OBP 1, OPS 1, Hits 1, 2B 2, 3B 1 Career Top 25: 2B (11) Leonard "Sunny" Davie, C, Last Season: 1948, HOF Standard: 64 2639 H, 533 2B, 254 HR, 1368 RBI, 1592 R, 887 K, 1534 BB, 285 SB, .285 AVG, .832 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 1 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 2, Runs 1, BB 2 Career Top 25: HR (20), 2B (18), BB (7), R (21) Swervin' Ervin Skjerly, 2B/CF, Last Season: 1948, HOF Standard: 57 2819 H, 388 2B, 85 HR, 1199 RBI, 1402 R, 895 K, 1203 BB, 284 SB, .308 AVG, .795 OPS BOY Award: 1935 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 10 WS Victories: 6 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: RBI 1, BB 1 Career Top 25: NONE Ted Stuart, SS, Last Season: 1948, HOF Standard: 31 1800 H, 258 2B, 45 HR, 757 RBI, 797 R, 631 K, 547 BB, 31 SB, .296 AVG, .749 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 9 Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Dewey Mickelsen, LF, Last Season: 1949, HOF Standard: 50 2560 H, 329 2B, 335 HR, 1322 RBI, 1431 R, 589 K, 1138 BB, 17 SB, .294 AVG, .857 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 3 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 2, OPS 1, HR 1, BB 1 Career Top 25: HR (6) Ping Hung, CF, Last Season: 1949, HOF Standard: 56 2552 H, 306 2B, 55 HR, 933 RBI, 1360 R, 549 K, 729 BB, 828 SB, .338 AVG, .830 OPS WWII - 2 Yrs BOY Award: 1942 ROY Award: 1930 Gold Gloves: 3 Pennants: 7 WS Victories: 5 Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: OBP 1, Hits 2, Runs 1, SB 7 Career Top 25: AVG (14), SB (4) Bud Breckenridge, CF, Last Season: 1949, HOF Standard: 61 2434 H, 304 2B, 180 HR, 1232 RBI, 1580 R, 792 K, 1437 BB, 759 SB, .303 AVG, .857 OPS BOY Award: 1942 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: OBP 4, OPS 1, 3B 2, Runs 4, BB 2 Career Top 25: Runs (23), BB (14), SB (7) Al Arsenault, LF, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 47 2359 H, 557 2B, 285 HR, 1458 RBI, 1341 R, 414 K, 941 BB, 129 SB, .287 AVG, .854 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 2, 3B 1, RBI 1 Career Top 25: HR (16), RBI (22), 2B (10) Maurice Misisca, 3B, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 34 1657 H, 214 2B, 233 HR, 944 RBI, 849 R, 453 K, 674 BB, 68 SB, .291 AVG, .835 OPS BOY Award: 1943, 1944, 1946 ROY Award: 1931 Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OBP 2, SLG 2, OPS 1, HR 2, RBI 1 Career Top 25: NONE NEW Blake Crocitto, SS, Last Season: 1952, HOF Standard: 75 3452 H, 522 2B, 155 HR, 1408 RBI, 1632 R, 940 K, 1152 BB, 940 SB, .346 AVG, .888 OPS WWII - 2 Yrs BOY Award: 1934, 1941 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 3 Batting Titles: 7 Led League in: OBP 3, SLG 4, OPS 5, Hits 6, 3B 1, Runs 3 Career Top 25: AVG (7), Hits (5), Doubles (23), Runs (16) Jonathan Wright, RF, Last Season: 1952, HOF Standard: 55 2869 H, 543 2B, 251 HR, 1401 RBI, 1284 R, 810 K, 725 BB, 24 SB, .327 AVG, .861 OPS WWII - 3 Yrs BOY Award: 1935 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: 4 Led League in: OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, Hits 2, 2B 3 Career Top 25: 2B (13) Tequila Allen, 3B, Last Season: 1951, HOF Standard: 42 2567 H, 394 2B, 172 HR, 1193 RBI, 1124 R, 757 K, 703 BB, 26 SB, .300 AVG, .772 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Andy Martineau, SS/3B, Last Season: 1952, HOF Standard: 35 1420 H, 162 2B, 81 HR, 615 RBI, 721 R, 605 K, 738 BB, 41 SB, .303 AVG, .803 OPS WWII - 3 Yrs BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: OBP 1 Career Top 25: NONE Cy Helbig, CF, Last Season: 1952, HOF Standard: 44 1588 H, 217 2B, 124 HR, 754 RBI, 874 R, 417 K, 694 BB, 109 SB, .328 AVG, .890 OPS WWII - 3 Yrs BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1941 Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: OBP 1, OPS 1, Hits 1, Runs 1 Career Top 25: NONE Pitchers Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): ERA: 2.10 W: 446 K: 3407 CG: 601 SHO: 95 Terry Schukraft, Last Season: 1943, HOF Standard: 49 332-255, 56.6%, 3.73 ERA, 5516.2 IP, 1764 BB, 2056 K, 428 CG, 39 SHO, 1.27 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 4 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: IP 1, CG 2, SHO 1 Career Top 25: Wins (10), K (21), CG (14) Mark Ponfick, Last Season: 1945, HOF Standard: 55 334-252, 57.0%, 3.82 ERA, 5596 IP, 1184 BB, 2505 K, 463 CG, 41 SHO, 1.22 WHIP POY Award: 1944 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 2 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: WHIP 2, Wins 1 Career Top 25: Wins (9), K's (5), CG (5), SHO (25) Schoolboy Emberling, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 29 217-191, 53.2%, 3.52 ERA, 3925 IP, 787 BB, 1290 K, 311 CG, 32 SHO, 1.25 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 2 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 1, Wins 2, CG 3 Career Top 25: NONE Bob Bussmann, Last Season: 1950, HOF Standard: 40 193-102, 10 Sv, 65.4%, 3.12 ERA, 2840.2 IP, 625 BB, 1326 K, 124 CG, 27 SHO, 1.19 WHIP POY Award: 1949 ROY Award: 1937 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 2 Career Top 25: NONE NEW Chris Frays, Last Season: 1952, HOF Standard: 18 147-116, 55.9%, 3.78 ERA, 2467 IP, 672 BB, 1135 K, 121 CG, 16 SHO, 1.31 WHIP WWII - 3.5 Yrs POY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1938 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE __________________ Set in Stone... 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06-29-2005, 01:32 AM	#3
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Blake Crocitto <--Holy HOF standard batman! Alan Laio Leonard "Sunny" Davie Bud Breckenridge Jon Minzey Troy Kinnear Dave "Red Fox" Arkless Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden Bobby Martin Swervin' Ervin Skjerly __________________ PT21 PT22

06-29-2005, 02:11 AM	#4
YankeeFanatic04 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 232	Willard Schwarz Jon Minzey Dave Arkless Alan Liao Ervin Skjerly Blake Crocitto Terry Schukraft Mark Ponfick __________________

06-29-2005, 11:03 AM	#6
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	What a time for this to come out. My vote may be in later tonight or tomorrow. __________________ None Blog it.

06-29-2005, 12:51 PM	#8
ifspuds Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 2,117	Kinnear Arkless Davie Mickelsen Breckenridge Crocitto Wright Liao Skjerly __________________ Jeff Watson Former dynasty writer and online league player, now mostly retired

06-29-2005, 01:22 AM	#2
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Wright Crocitto Schukraft Ponfick Kinnear Liao Martin Skjerly Hung Breckenridge

06-29-2005, 10:11 AM	#5
DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	Minzey Liao Hung Breckenridge Crocitto Wright

06-29-2005, 12:27 PM	#7
bigjas Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olive Hill, KY Posts: 279	Blake Crocitto Alan Liao Leonard Davie Bud Breckenridge Bobby Martin Jon Minzey Troy Kinnear Ricardo Bowden Ervin Skjerly Ping Hung

06-29-2005, 01:09 PM	#9
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,827	Schwarz - farewell, my friend Kinnear Davie Hung Minzey Breckenridge Crocitto Ponfick Wright __________________ "Read books, get brain."

06-29-2005, 01:12 PM	#10
Y0DA55 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the middle of the Yankees/Red Sox Rivalry Posts: 1,771	Kinnear Liao Davie Schwarz Breckenridge Arsenault Crocitto Wright Schukraft Ponfick __________________ Do, or do not, there is no try! Last edited by Y0DA55; 06-29-2005 at 01:13 PM.

06-29-2005, 01:14 PM	#11
gcsii99 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Acworth, GA Posts: 218	Wright Crocitto Breckenridge Davie Hung Liao Ponfick __________________ Be still Taggert...My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

06-29-2005, 01:19 PM	#12
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	IMO, Ponfick and Schukraft and their 300+ wins get no respect. Schukraft was part of the Pfour and still isn't in. At least he did better than my Pfavorite of the Phour, Tobe Palmer, who was dissed so badly he didn't get the requestite 5% in his first year. Luckily he is VC eligible THIS year and I hope he gets his due. __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

06-29-2005, 02:52 PM	#13
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	Blake Crocitto-a true "no-brainer" who had his impressive stats partially truncated by WW2, and proud owner of one of the best nicknames ever. Jon Wright- Devastating offensive performer, the Dodgers sucked after he was traded, and a darn good nickname in his own right. Mark Ponfick- long overdue, should have a chance this time around, hard to ignore all those wins. Terry Schukraft- See above; Matts comments are spot-on for this duo. Ping Hung- the numbers are there, but what kind of a name is "Ping"? Alan Liao- difficult to exclude from this group, premier player at his position among his generation. Troy Kinnear- sure, its a goofy photo, but check that OPS. Bobby Martin- Ive waffled on this guy in the past, but he does have glorious numbers and somehow feels like a HOF member. Plus, any guy nicknamed "Tree" that handled the lumber as well as Martin did gets a pass in my book. Bud Breckenridge- terrific career, with offense that squeezes him past Jon Minzey. Plus, his sister Myra was a real looker. Harry Finley- yes, Davie has bigger power numbers, and Schwartz was the first major banger of his era, but look at all those GGs and factor in 600+ stolen bases and you have the benchmark player at his position.

06-29-2005, 03:26 PM	#14
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Dave Arkless Bud Breckenridge Leonard Davie Blake Crocitto Dewey Mickelsen Maurice Misisca Terry Schukraft Ervin Skjerly Ted Stuart Jonathan Wright

06-29-2005, 04:00 PM	#15
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	I'm a little surprised by Wright not being on some ballots. I'm not sure what more a player needs to do. He was 29-31 when off to the war. That was right when his power started to kick in, and it along with the deadening of the ball prior to leaving cut his dingers down to "just" 251. Matt's off on his championship teams. It was: 1934 NL Champ Dodgers 1935 NL Champ Dodgers 1939 World Champ Dodgers 1940 NL Champ Dodgers 1949 World Champ Phils Pennants: 5 WS Victories: 2 His post season "appearances" are reduced because of: Injured on 9/24/1935 with a Strained Groin Muscle, out for one week Injured on 9/22/1949 with a Torn Abdominal Muscle, out for 4-5 weeks But he got both of those injuries after playing full seasons, helping his team with the pennant, but right before the Series. John

06-29-2005, 04:31 PM	#16
metsgeek Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norwood, MA Posts: 5,450	Minzey Arkless Breckenridge Crocitto Wright Liao Hung Bowden Davie Schukraft __________________ Commissioner - PBRL - Just finished 2009 109 seasons and still running strong!!!

06-29-2005, 05:22 PM	#18
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	Now I can vote: Schukraft Ponfick Crocitto Finley Hung Skjerly Arkless Kinnear Minzey Wright __________________ None Blog it.

06-29-2005, 05:41 PM	#19
Ankhiel Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 470	Schwarz Minzey Liao Arsenault Croccitto Wright __________________ GM - TWB Expos Join the fun

06-29-2005, 08:11 PM	#20
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	I did note that Mr. Hung was Asian; I neglected to insert a smilie to deflect angst, relying on the light-hearted tone of my post to convey amusement. My bad.