Teams still are releasing first round selections huh?

silvam14 · 05-03-2010, 12:07 PM

Just had the first year player draft for my 8 team fictional league and noticed this Look at first round selection, then look at the bottom line

Maybe there is something screwy with my setup. Three levels of minors AAA, AA, A and college feeder league.

Either way, not very encouraging

silvam14 · 05-03-2010, 12:12 PM

This team released a bulk of it draft picks including one the next day

MimesisBTG · 05-03-2010, 12:26 PM

This is not encouraging

Perhaps OOTP needs to implement a rule, similar to the trade rules, by which teams cannot release recent draft picks until a certain period of time has passed after the draft? Not sure if this would be too afield from real life, but I agree something should be done about this.

Edit: Thanks Silvam for pointing this out!

silvam14 · 05-03-2010, 12:28 PM

Then the first round pick gets signed by a rival team a few days later...

silvam14 · 05-03-2010, 12:29 PM

BTW, this is also a new OOTP11 league, not a carryover from OOTP10

silvam14 · 05-03-2010, 12:31 PM

The weird thing, is that the very last draft pick was also a catcher and he is currently on the roster

kq76 · 05-03-2010, 12:35 PM

Have you posted this at the new tech support site? This kind of stuff irritates me to no end.

silvam14 · 05-03-2010, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kq76

Have you posted this at the new tech support site? This kind of stuff irritates me to no end.

Just submitted it. Looks like I'm going to need to start my league over

injury log · 05-03-2010, 02:02 PM

If you have any roster limits in the low minors, remove them. The AI doesn't handle those well. It also doesn't handle a shallow minor league system all that well, so you might find you see better results if you add a Rookie level to your minors.

Cowboys3356 · 05-03-2010, 05:39 PM

On a related note I expanded my league recently and during the expansion draft several CPU run teams failed to protect their #1 overall picks from the most recent draft and the new expansion teams drafted them. Those #1 picks were 5 star prospects with tremendous ratings (I have scouts off) so maybe the CPU logic for protecting players in the expansion draft needs a little bit of work.

One good thing I will say about the expansion draft is that I left several very good but older and HIGHLY paid veterans unprotected and the CPU was smart enough to ignore them. I was kind of hoping to unload the old timers and their salaries! HA!

OakDragon · 05-03-2010, 10:33 PM

What are the players in question like? I wonder if the lower round players are actually better for some reason.

BusterKing · 05-04-2010, 12:28 AM

This bug has been in OOTP for years.

We'll probably get the usual "The game plays the way it's intended to play" reply from Markus.

It's the classic reply when he can't fix a bug.

pallison14 · 05-04-2010, 12:56 AM

I've done two MLB quickstarts in 11. Both times the Nationals waived Bryce Harper within weeks after signing him (to a 10m+ signing bonus and ML contract), and each time he's been claimed by a rival team immediately and not pulled back. Silly.

MizzouRah · 05-04-2010, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterKing

This bug has been in OOTP for years.

We'll probably get the usual "The game plays the way it's intended to play" reply from Markus.

It's the classic reply when he can't fix a bug.

He's improved it quite a bit over the years.. it's not perfect yet, but this "bug" has gotten smaller.

I do hope he looks at it though.

darkcloud4579 · 05-04-2010, 01:22 AM

I noticed this issue in my long-standing solo league for years. I wanted to offer a solution on how I've managed to fix it, but I forget. I know expanding from one level of minors to three helped, so has using ghost players and keeping the draft small enough that the game doesn't generate thousands of players who sit in FA and never play.

I think the reason this happens is due to lack of roster space where the player would go, because the AI doesn't know to release someone to put the draft pick on a minor league team. So if you always have space in the minors, then players won't be spontaneously released post-draft.

Le Grande Orange · 05-04-2010, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pallison14

Both times the Nationals waived Bryce Harper within weeks after signing him (to a 10m+ signing bonus and ML contract), and each time he's been claimed by a rival team immediately and not pulled back. Silly.

If he's being removed from the 40-man roster, those waivers are irrevocable.

Killing Time · 05-04-2010, 02:18 AM

I play two leagues, both with three levels of minors, no roster limits and with ghost players allowed, and I have not seen this happen in either one.

norva13x · 05-04-2010, 03:14 AM

I see it a lot. I had one prospect, huge potential, first over all pick, great work ethic etc.
He was signed and released by FOUR different organizations within the span of two months.
Makes no sense...

Cowboys3356 · 05-04-2010, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killing Time

I play two leagues, both with three levels of minors, no roster limits and with ghost players allowed, and I have not seen this happen in either one.

I do the same thing except for the Ghost players part so I think I will enable that and see if it helps. There is no real downside to ghost players since I assume the game will still keep a fairly stocked minor leagues if players are available.

Also I do want to reduce the size of the FA pool. I see no reason to have 700+ players sitting in FA every season especially since 99% of them will never get signed.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 05-04-2010, 01:26 PM

IMO this is huge - HUGE. A game-breaking bug each and every time it happens.

05-03-2010, 12:12 PM	#2
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05-03-2010, 12:31 PM	#6
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05-03-2010, 12:07 PM	#1
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 9,939	Teams still are releasing first round selections huh? Just had the first year player draft for my 8 team fictional league and noticed this Look at first round selection, then look at the bottom line Maybe there is something screwy with my setup. Three levels of minors AAA, AA, A and college feeder league. Either way, not very encouraging Attached Images __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________ Last edited by silvam14; 05-03-2010 at 12:14 PM.

05-03-2010, 12:26 PM	#3
MimesisBTG Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 104	This is not encouraging Perhaps OOTP needs to implement a rule, similar to the trade rules, by which teams cannot release recent draft picks until a certain period of time has passed after the draft? Not sure if this would be too afield from real life, but I agree something should be done about this. Edit: Thanks Silvam for pointing this out!

05-03-2010, 02:02 PM	#9
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	If you have any roster limits in the low minors, remove them. The AI doesn't handle those well. It also doesn't handle a shallow minor league system all that well, so you might find you see better results if you add a Rookie level to your minors.

05-03-2010, 05:39 PM	#10
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	On a related note I expanded my league recently and during the expansion draft several CPU run teams failed to protect their #1 overall picks from the most recent draft and the new expansion teams drafted them. Those #1 picks were 5 star prospects with tremendous ratings (I have scouts off) so maybe the CPU logic for protecting players in the expansion draft needs a little bit of work. One good thing I will say about the expansion draft is that I left several very good but older and HIGHLY paid veterans unprotected and the CPU was smart enough to ignore them. I was kind of hoping to unload the old timers and their salaries! HA!

05-03-2010, 10:33 PM	#11
OakDragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Jose, CA USA Posts: 3,494	What are the players in question like? I wonder if the lower round players are actually better for some reason.

05-04-2010, 12:28 AM	#12
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,422	This bug has been in OOTP for years. We'll probably get the usual "The game plays the way it's intended to play" reply from Markus. It's the classic reply when he can't fix a bug.

05-04-2010, 12:56 AM	#13
pallison14 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 452	I've done two MLB quickstarts in 11. Both times the Nationals waived Bryce Harper within weeks after signing him (to a 10m+ signing bonus and ML contract), and each time he's been claimed by a rival team immediately and not pulled back. Silly. __________________ Commissioner, NGBL - Putting the FUNK in defunct. New York (AL), UBL

05-04-2010, 01:22 AM	#15
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,688	I noticed this issue in my long-standing solo league for years. I wanted to offer a solution on how I've managed to fix it, but I forget. I know expanding from one level of minors to three helped, so has using ghost players and keeping the draft small enough that the game doesn't generate thousands of players who sit in FA and never play. I think the reason this happens is due to lack of roster space where the player would go, because the AI doesn't know to release someone to put the draft pick on a minor league team. So if you always have space in the minors, then players won't be spontaneously released post-draft. __________________ ------ My Mods OOTP Advanced Stats & DFS Suite Managerial Strategy Pack Competitive Balance Tax Calculator Major League Women's Baseball (OOTP24) quickstart Indian Premier League \| 300+ years of baseball quickstart \| Expatriate League quickstart \| Off-Field Injuries Update \| Women's Name File for OOTP \| ---- Dynasty classics: Centurion comes to OOTP5 \| DC Moneyball Dynasty (2004)

05-04-2010, 03:14 AM	#18
norva13x Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 476	I see it a lot. I had one prospect, huge potential, first over all pick, great work ethic etc. He was signed and released by FOUR different organizations within the span of two months. Makes no sense...

05-04-2010, 01:26 PM	#20
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	IMO this is huge - HUGE. A game-breaking bug each and every time it happens. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.