Fla. International/Miami Brawl - Page 4

notjaxmagicman · 10-15-2006, 06:02 PM

Michigan is the only school that doesnt go in cycles.

cinredsfan2000 · 10-15-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

Could be. If that's the case though, why does Coker allow these individuals to remain on the team?

Well i think this is in all likelihood probably cost's coker his job at the end of the season. Coker was on slippery slope before the season began now add this to the mix it looks like coker had best be looking for employment elswhere .

marc · 10-15-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by notjaxmagicman

Michigan is the only school that doesnt go in cycles.

So what was that 7-5 season last year then??

Jordan · 10-15-2006, 06:40 PM

The funny thing about Willie Williams is that he was a model citizen during his stay with Miami

Prodigal Son · 10-15-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

I don't really think this incident was as bad as it was made out to be...

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

Yes there was a player swinging his helmet around...there was a player (maybe two, I couldn't tell) stomping at a player when he was knocked down...

DOES NOT COMPUTE

yankeesrule · 10-15-2006, 10:00 PM

Just watched the video a couple times, to bad cant get a better copy and DL it to really analyze it. Looks like more than 1 or 2 guys were kicking a FIU player when he was on the ground, more like 5 or 6. Also, the same #19 who was the most notable seen kicking the FIU player on the ground was the same guy leading their huddling up after it was all over and getting everyone more riled up, which indicates he's more than just some chump but rather a key player.

The commentator is picked by the university to represent them, therefore if he's going off talking about how great it is the players are getting in this fight and all that stuff, he is saying it on behalf of the school. If he's not saying what your school believes in/values, he shouldn't be on TV representing your school.

While its all going on you hear the miami fans chearing on, thus approving of the onfield violence and everything going on and then after its over they show shots on the fans going crazy and all hyped up as if the team just scored a huge TD to win a bit game. This shows that their fans are all for this violence and thugery going on during the game.

If this doesn't show that The U still is a thug school/team, i dont know what does. Especially given coker's post game quotes

The Professor · 10-15-2006, 10:16 PM

Lamar Thomas. Credit to humanity.

What a piece of trash.

LFC1892 · 10-16-2006, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy K

The only way I'd be impressed is if I was a UFC fan. You can watch the video on ESPN, and while I'm not saying FIU is not to blame, I didn't see any FIU players stomp Miami players or swing helmets at them. Swinging a helmet at someone can kill or severely injury another person if the contact is serious enough.

EDIT: Wow, new video on ESPN. After the brawl all the Miami players take their helmets off and get in a big group and do what looks like a pre-game cheer. Pathetic.

OK, so you hate Miami, we get the point.

KurtBevacqua · 10-16-2006, 11:53 AM

I can't believe some folks here are trying to excuse this with the old "It was only one or two guys," or, "if this were a hockey game," arguments. That's the kind of rationalizing that lets this behavior slide. And besides, when's the last time you saw a college baseball or hockey game have a brawk like that? Answer, probably never because it's not tolerated in college athletics. The pros tolerate it more for many reasons, including the fact pro players will sue the league silly for a suspension and there's the element in professional athletics that likes to think this crap helps ratings. Fine, whatever. But if my son was on a school's wrestling team and a brawl broke out, more than once, with his school involved, I'd be thinking very long and hard about whether or not my son should keep going to that school.

imation · 10-16-2006, 04:21 PM

You guys may just get your wish about Thomas.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2628184

Sandy K · 10-16-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GUTIERREZ

OK, so you hate Miami, we get the point.

Unfortunately, I don't hold any grudges against any teams. I just prefer to see football players not attempt to severely injure someone and then feel good about it. Plus, I think me and the other handful of posters plus millions of fans across the nation don't "hate" Miami, we just realize when something severely wrong happens and don't use shades to ignore it.

JDOldSchool · 10-16-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

The pride of the Hurricanes Lamar Thomas.
Who has a half dozen drugs arrests and was arrested for beating his pregnent girlfriend with repeated backhands to the face and stomach.

Lamar Thomas is one of the more vile, disgusting, pathetic wastes of human flesh around. There's no good reason why he's not in jail, much less allowed behind a microphone.

He's one of the featured asswipes in Pros and Cons (a book that really should be required reading for football fans).

marc · 10-16-2006, 06:22 PM

Best play ever is when George Teague ran him down in the Sugar Bowl after he thought he had a sure TD and ripped the ball out of his hands.

Skipaway · 10-16-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

If you're going to punish the teams as a whole it has to be a punishment that's equal to both teams. Not something that's going to hurt one team worse than the other like bowl suspensions would.

Let's ban the two teams from playoffs for two years. That'd be equal. How that would hurt one team more than another isn't really an issue here. A traffic ticket of same value means a lot differently to a rich guy and a poor guy, so what?

kq76 · 10-16-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Let's ban the two teams from playoffs for two years. That'd be equal. How that would hurt one team more than another isn't really an issue here. A traffic ticket of same value means a lot differently to a rich guy and a poor guy, so what?

I think the problem isn't so much that it wouldn't hurt the same (although I think I would like a system where rich people pay parking tickets that are as proportional to their wealth), but that missing the playoffs would be of no consequence at all to FIU.

LeiterFanatic · 10-16-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

He's one of the featured asswipes in Pros and Cons (a book that really should be required reading for football fans).

I enjoyed this comment. NIce

Skipaway · 10-16-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

I think the problem isn't so much that it wouldn't hurt the same (although I think I would like a system where rich people pay parking tickets that are as proportional to their wealth), but that missing the playoffs would be of no consequence at all to FIU.

And? Why would that be an issue? Traffic tickets would be of no consequence at all to those rich enough too.

At the same time, we can talk about suspending these players for a year or two too. Make the rule harsh enough, you'd be able to change a lot of behavior if not all.

Surely we can't just make up new rules for this incident, but it wouldn't hurt implementing new ones for the future. These are student athletes, and I don't think it's a bad idea to have those who can't be good sportsmen to focus on their student life more.

kq76 · 10-16-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

And? Why would that be an issue? Traffic tickets would be of no consequence at all to those rich enough too.

At the same time, we can talk about suspending these players for a year or two too. Make the rule harsh enough, you'd be able to change a lot of behavior if not all.

Surely we can't just make up new rules for this incident, but it wouldn't hurt implementing new ones for the future. These are student athletes, and I don't think it's a bad idea to have those who can't be good sportsmen to focus on their student life more.

You mean, even if they were as proportional to their wealth? Yeah, I guess. The point is you have to make it so bad that they stop doing it. That I agree with.

Prodigal Son · 10-16-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Let's ban the two teams from playoffs for two years. That'd be equal. How that would hurt one team more than another isn't really an issue here. A traffic ticket of same value means a lot differently to a rich guy and a poor guy, so what?

Traffic tickets aren't all the same because that's perfectly equitable and of equal punitive value relative to individual circumstance; they're all the same because it would be extremely inconvenient if not impossible to determine and enforce differences.

In this case, it's easy to see that one program would be affected a lot more by a certain punishment. Banning these two teams from bowls would be like telling Phil Jackson and John Gruden that they both can't coach basketball anymore.

Those semantics aside, I will support just about any level of severity of punishment leveled against both schools' athletic departments, coaches and/or players. There is absolutely no place for that in college sports. If the NCAA wasn't such a joke, they would take five scholarships from both programs for five years off the top, then decide additional punishment for the players involved from there. There needs to be a message sent to the university at the top levels--president, AD and head coaches--that this type of conduct will not at all be tolerated. And Miami can't play the "bad apple player" card--this is a college that undoubtedly and consistently looks the other way on personal character (up to and including criminal convictions) in athletic recruiting. That's pathetic and needs to change.

Skipaway · 10-16-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

Banning these two teams from bowls would be like telling Phil Jackson and John Gruden that they both can't coach basketball anymore.

If we are punishing them for what happened to a basketball game they both coached, then why not?

10-15-2006, 10:16 PM	#67
The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	Lamar Thomas. Credit to humanity. What a piece of trash. __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."

10-16-2006, 11:53 AM	#69
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I can't believe some folks here are trying to excuse this with the old "It was only one or two guys," or, "if this were a hockey game," arguments. That's the kind of rationalizing that lets this behavior slide. And besides, when's the last time you saw a college baseball or hockey game have a brawk like that? Answer, probably never because it's not tolerated in college athletics. The pros tolerate it more for many reasons, including the fact pro players will sue the league silly for a suspension and there's the element in professional athletics that likes to think this crap helps ratings. Fine, whatever. But if my son was on a school's wrestling team and a brawl broke out, more than once, with his school involved, I'd be thinking very long and hard about whether or not my son should keep going to that school. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

10-16-2006, 04:21 PM	#70
imation Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 307	You guys may just get your wish about Thomas. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2628184 __________________

10-16-2006, 06:22 PM	#73
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Best play ever is when George Teague ran him down in the Sugar Bowl after he thought he had a sure TD and ripped the ball out of his hands. __________________

10-15-2006, 06:02 PM	#61
notjaxmagicman Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 51 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Michigan is the only school that doesnt go in cycles.

10-15-2006, 06:40 PM	#64
Jordan All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chi Suburbs now... Posts: 1,991	The funny thing about Willie Williams is that he was a model citizen during his stay with Miami

10-15-2006, 10:00 PM	#66
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	Just watched the video a couple times, to bad cant get a better copy and DL it to really analyze it. Looks like more than 1 or 2 guys were kicking a FIU player when he was on the ground, more like 5 or 6. Also, the same #19 who was the most notable seen kicking the FIU player on the ground was the same guy leading their huddling up after it was all over and getting everyone more riled up, which indicates he's more than just some chump but rather a key player. The commentator is picked by the university to represent them, therefore if he's going off talking about how great it is the players are getting in this fight and all that stuff, he is saying it on behalf of the school. If he's not saying what your school believes in/values, he shouldn't be on TV representing your school. While its all going on you hear the miami fans chearing on, thus approving of the onfield violence and everything going on and then after its over they show shots on the fans going crazy and all hyped up as if the team just scored a huge TD to win a bit game. This shows that their fans are all for this violence and thugery going on during the game. If this doesn't show that The U still is a thug school/team, i dont know what does. Especially given coker's post game quotes