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Minors (Single A)
Join Date: Nov 2022
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Can RP with high Stamina be a SP?
Is there any unforeseen drawbacks to simply using a RP as a SP *without* actually changing his position to SP? I have several on my online league AAA roster that I inherited with stamina of 65 and above.
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Feb 2002
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It will depend on some other factors as well. For instance, how many pitches does he have? Also, what are the quality of those pitches? A starter needs to have better control than most relievers typically do also.
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Join Date: May 2004
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Generally the rule of thumb is that a pitcher needs to have 3 quality pitches or else they’ll get hit hard their second and third time through the lineup. If a pitcher has enough pitches the times through the lineup penalty is small to negligible (of course it’s still affected by stamina).
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Minors (Rookie Ball)
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Kissimmee,Fl
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Relievers are giving max effort, starters have to pace themselves. Leaving a pitchers position as a reliever will give him a higher stuff, but less stamina. A 65 stamina reliever will be good for three innings, a starter 6 or 7.
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All Star Starter
Join Date: Feb 2021
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FWIW, my understanding is that whether or not you officially change their position, if you put a pitcher in as a (non-Opener) Starter, his ratings will be that of a SP. If you put a pitcher in as a (non-Follower) Reliever, his ratings will be that of a RP.
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Your high-stamina reliever might already be a starter. He just might be designated as a reliever because he doesn't fit into your rotation. If, for instance, your league rotation size is set at 5, then the game will slot your sixth-best starter as a reliever. You can see how this works by going to the settings and changing the rotation size either upward or downward and seeing which pitchers change from SP to RP or vice versa.
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All Star Starter
Join Date: Aug 2016
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For fun, try to simulate 1974 actual lineups and tx. Don't manage Mike Marshall in his record breaking 100 game year. He is just average. Now try to update his stamina so he used more.
Barely any change. Be careful, put at 30-40 stamina and the AI will move him to STARTER, but never actually use him since you are using actual lineups. Because he sits in the AI starter pull he rarely gets used as reliver. Dodgers suck for 74. You have to sim day by day and just have dodger screen open to watch it play out. You can do this any similar pitcher in the 70s that were workhorses out of the pen, and didn't just pitch the last out. It will never happen, but having Stamina Starter and Reliver ratings (like strat) would help. It also would help solve some of the long reliver spot starter issues. |
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I’m playing out every game in my league from the 7th on, which means basically making every worthwhile relief decision, and forgetting Mike Marshall for a moment, I find it incredibly hard to even get guys to 90 games and 145 IP like guys like Wayne Granger hit once or twice. It feels like if you just use these guys in every close-ish game from the 7th or 8th on, you’ll start to get there… but then they get very tired, especially with the as played schedules, and they get blown up until you sit then for 3 days or so. Probably what the game should do is increase injury chances more than degrade ability, but at that stopper usage in this period is so crazily outliered…
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Join Date: Nov 2002
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I wonder if it also follows that stuff isn't that important (at least not for this purpose) because high strikeout pitchers aren't always the best at going long as their batters faced can take longer than a pitcher like Sandy Alcantara who lures weak contact.
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