Moyer pitches to age 50; gets 300 W, HOF?

mrcoach00 · 08-12-2008, 09:56 AM

Jamie Moyer, currently 45, has 240 career wins. If he pitches 5 more years until the age of 50 while averaging 12 wins a season he'll notch 300 wins. Does 300 get him a call to the hall even with the longevity factor?

Moyer doesn't rule out playing to 50

"I'm not going to rule it out, if I'm still able to be effective," Moyer said. "I have an obligation here that I plan on upholding next year with the Phillies, so I will be back at 46. Hey, 50 is five years away. It's not something I'm ruling out."

rem · 08-12-2008, 10:04 AM

No way he averages 12 wins a season at that age.

SandMan · 08-12-2008, 10:17 AM

I voted yes, but I think he may not reach 300 Wins...

Long_Long_Name · 08-12-2008, 10:17 AM

Well, there's no way one can logically vote for the second option.

That said, there's more to the Hall of Fame than wins. If someone gets 300 wins and somehow has a 1.79 career WHIP, I don't think I'm putting him in.

bababui · 08-12-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

Well, there's no way one can logically vote for the second option.

That said, there's more to the Hall of Fame than wins. If someone gets 300 wins and somehow has a 1.79 career WHIP, I don't think I'm putting him in.

If anyone can pitch to the age 50 then that kinda defines a HOF career. Stats arent everything in baseball.

Bobbuttons · 08-12-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by remangiii

No way he averages 12 wins a season at that age.

What amazes me is that he has averaged over 200 innings each of the last 7 seasons. You expect more ticky tac injuries to take their toll at that age, but he hasn't really had that problem so far. If he stays healthy, who knows? I doubt very much it will happen, but stranger things have happened.

Dagrims · 08-12-2008, 10:31 AM

If you base his candidacy on career statistics, no way does he get in. He's an average pitcher who just happens to have more than twice as many seasons in the big leagues as most average pitchers.

Dagrims · 08-12-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

What amazes me is that he has averaged over 200 innings each of the last 7 seasons. You expect more ticky tac injuries to take their toll at that age, but he hasn't really had that problem so far. If he stays healthy, who knows? I doubt very much it will happen, but stranger things have happened.

It isn't like he's strained his arm. 31 complete games in his career, and he's not a fireballer. However, he has been somewhat fortunate - Wakefield hasn't had the same consistency with innings.

Long_Long_Name · 08-12-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

If anyone can pitch to the age 50 then that kinda defines a HOF career. Stats arent everything in baseball.

Well, then, getting to 300 wins would be irrelevant.

Syd Thrift · 08-12-2008, 11:05 AM

As big a Jamie Moyer fan as I am, I don't see him playing until he's 50. Sooner or later the end will come, and it will come quickly.

CBL-Commish · 08-12-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

If anyone can pitch to the age 50 then that kinda defines a HOF career. Stats arent everything in baseball.

No, they just keep track of everything.

CBL-Commish · 08-12-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

As big a Jamie Moyer fan as I am, I don't see him playing until he's 50. Sooner or later the end will come, and it will come quickly.

I'd love to see Moyer pull an Iron Man McGinnity, go back to the minors, and pitch well into his 50s. McGinnity didn't throw a professional pitch until he was 28, yet he played in 26 pro seasons and won 459 total games.

Tribe Fan 24 · 08-12-2008, 04:59 PM

In my opinion....he would be in somewhat the same category as Bert Blylevin. I would not personally vote Moyer into the HOF before Blylevin makes it.

That is just a personal opinion, and I like Moyer too! BB needs to be in there.

Skipaway · 08-12-2008, 07:18 PM

Jamie Moyer is no where close to Bert Blyleven. If they are in the same category, that's a pretty huge category.

Tribe Fan 24 · 08-13-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Jamie Moyer is no where close to Bert Blyleven. If they are in the same category, that's a pretty huge category.

Sorry....I must clarify.......

They are both pitchers who pitched a lot of innings over a long career. They are NOT close as far as HOF worthiness. Blylevin should have been in a LONG time ago. The fact that he isn't is a true shame and an injustice in my opinion.

Thank you for bringing that to my attention, oversight on my part by not explaining it fully!

Syd Thrift · 08-14-2008, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Jamie Moyer is no where close to Bert Blyleven. If they are in the same category, that's a pretty huge category.

Pitchers with winning records?

FWIW, a case could be made that Jamie Moyer is to Nolan Ryan what Nolan Ryan is to Bert Blyleven. Their career ERA+ from Moyer to Ryan to Rik Aalbert, are 105, 111, and 118. Also, people may say that Nolan Ryan is more notable because of all the strikeouts but need I remind people of Bert Blyleven's facial hair? To this day I call a certain form of beard a "full Blyleven". Also, I remember in one of the Rotisserie League annuals (produced by the guys who created the original Rotisserie League back in the 1980s) they mentioned that he liked to wear a T-shirt that said "I Love To Fart". If that's not a Hall of Famer I am not sure what is.

Jason Moyer · 08-14-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Jamie Moyer is no where close to Bert Blyleven. If they are in the same category, that's a pretty huge category.

Jamie Moyer would be slightly below, but closer to the Nolan Ryan category. Whereas Bert Blyleven was much better than either of them.

bababui · 08-14-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Jamie Moyer would be slightly below, but closer to the Nolan Ryan category. Whereas Bert Blyleven was much better than either of them.

Blylevin was a great pitcher but wasnt close to Ryan in talent. Ryan was an athletic monster and his personal achievements are the very embodiment of what a HoF career should be about.

Dagrims · 08-14-2008, 03:14 PM

Ahhhh...this is making me feel nostalgic. The Nolan Ryan discussions from a few years ago were fun.

Start here for the warm-up.

Skipaway · 08-14-2008, 07:43 PM

What if there is a huge war and all younger American players get drafted, so Moyer get to dominate the league?

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08-12-2008, 09:56 AM	#1
mrcoach00 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 217	Moyer pitches to age 50; gets 300 W, HOF? Jamie Moyer, currently 45, has 240 career wins. If he pitches 5 more years until the age of 50 while averaging 12 wins a season he'll notch 300 wins. Does 300 get him a call to the hall even with the longevity factor? Moyer doesn't rule out playing to 50 "I'm not going to rule it out, if I'm still able to be effective," Moyer said. "I have an obligation here that I plan on upholding next year with the Phillies, so I will be back at 46. Hey, 50 is five years away. It's not something I'm ruling out."

08-12-2008, 10:04 AM	#2
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	No way he averages 12 wins a season at that age. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

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Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	Well, there's no way one can logically vote for the second option. That said, there's more to the Hall of Fame than wins. If someone gets 300 wins and somehow has a 1.79 career WHIP, I don't think I'm putting him in. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

08-12-2008, 10:31 AM	#7
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,827	If you base his candidacy on career statistics, no way does he get in. He's an average pitcher who just happens to have more than twice as many seasons in the big leagues as most average pitchers. __________________ "Read books, get brain."

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SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	I voted yes, but I think he may not reach 300 Wins...

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Tribe Fan 24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 675	In my opinion....he would be in somewhat the same category as Bert Blylevin. I would not personally vote Moyer into the HOF before Blylevin makes it. That is just a personal opinion, and I like Moyer too! BB needs to be in there. __________________ Long Suffering Tribe Fan Proud Papa of Caroline Grace (b. 2005) Kaeden Michael (b. 2008) and Claire Elise (b. 2012)

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Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Jamie Moyer is no where close to Bert Blyleven. If they are in the same category, that's a pretty huge category. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

08-14-2008, 03:14 PM	#19
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,827	Ahhhh...this is making me feel nostalgic. The Nolan Ryan discussions from a few years ago were fun. Start here for the warm-up. __________________ "Read books, get brain." Last edited by Dagrims; 08-14-2008 at 03:15 PM.

08-14-2008, 07:43 PM	#20
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	What if there is a huge war and all younger American players get drafted, so Moyer get to dominate the league? __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.