GM/Manager vs GM

[drummerJ99]

I really like how on OOTP you can set to be GM only but can still adjust the lineup if you want to. Is it realistic, not really but as a person who sims all games, sometimes I want to take a look at a player for a couple games or something. But 90% of the time I let the coach do his thing.



Unfortunately you can't do that in FHM. You are either 100% GM only or 100% GM/Manager. Since I prefer to sim and let the AI coaching do their thing would me playing as a GM/Manager penalize me in any way? Even if playing as commissioner, GM only can't adjust lines. Nor can we change the options for line and tactics from head coach.



So I guess my question is, as a 100% sim player only is GM only the better option.

[Savoie45]

It's not realistic though, as most GM's don't set lines for NHL teams. In fact, I wonder if any actually do.

[drummerJ99]

Originally Posted by Savoie45

It's not realistic though, as most GM's don't set lines for NHL teams. In fact, I wonder if any actually do.

No they don't. Nor is being a GM/Coach in the NHL realistic. Nor do baseball GM's set lines for baseball, as I said. But this is a video game.

[AdequateRandomGaming]

Originally Posted by Savoie45

It's not realistic though, as most GM's don't set lines for NHL teams. In fact, I wonder if any actually do.

Shortly after Guy Boucher lost his job as the Sens coach, he said in an interview that as an NHL head coach, you control your lineup only about 30-40% of the time. There are always directions coming from the GM to use a guy on the PP to showcase him for a trade, demands from the GM to play a certain young player to see what the team has, etc.

While not controlling the lines per say, they do have a say with who gets dressed and used in certain situations...as long as you believe what Boucher said.

[Tiger Fan]

Originally Posted by AdequateRandomGaming

Shortly after Guy Boucher lost his job as the Sens coach, he said in an interview that as an NHL head coach, you control your lineup only about 30-40% of the time. There are always directions coming from the GM to use a guy on the PP to showcase him for a trade, demands from the GM to play a certain young player to see what the team has, etc.

While not controlling the lines per say, they do have a say with who gets dressed and used in certain situations...as long as you believe what Boucher said.

And that’s why I think and have suggested before that GM only mode needs an option where you can suggest, strongly suggest or demand a coach play a specific player or players in certain roles.

[Savoie45]

Originally Posted by AdequateRandomGaming

Shortly after Guy Boucher lost his job as the Sens coach, he said in an interview that as an NHL head coach, you control your lineup only about 30-40% of the time. There are always directions coming from the GM to use a guy on the PP to showcase him for a trade, demands from the GM to play a certain young player to see what the team has, etc.

While not controlling the lines per say, they do have a say with who gets dressed and used in certain situations...as long as you believe what Boucher said.

Interesting, then yeah I guess the option to at least set the lineups for the AI coach to go by should be available to GM.

[Bluenoser]

We need an option like OOTP has where you can check a box for "GM only users are always in control of lineups".

You can still ask your coach to set them, but you have final say.

[tomkmb]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

We need an option like OOTP has where you can check a box for "GM only users are always in control of lineups".

You can still ask your coach to set them, but you have final say.

That's just the same as you being the GM/HC now and clicking 'AI create Lines' surely?

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by tomkmb

That's just the same as you being the GM/HC now and clicking 'AI create Lines' surely?

Not really, the key words being "GM Only" mode.

I don't want to coach games, but I want say in line-up decisions.

[drummerJ99]

Originally Posted by tomkmb

That's just the same as you being the GM/HC now and clicking 'AI create Lines' surely?

No..being GM/HC fires your head coach. In OOTP you can be GM, have a manager on your staff and still edit lines. I don't want the head coach fired. Am I nitpicking, yes but it's always really bugged me. I want to keep the coach but also be able to edit lines like I can in OOTP. That, as far as I know isn't possible in FHM.

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Not really, the key words being "GM Only" mode.

I don't want to coach games, but I want say in line-up decisions.

Agree 100%.

[tomkmb]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Not really, the key words being "GM Only" mode.

I don't want to coach games, but I want say in line-up decisions.

Yeah that's just semantics at this stage - realistically you're able to achieve a situation where you can perform GM only tasks but also have control of the lineup. It's how I play the game, I'll be HC/GM assign things I do not want to take control of to the AI via the options (the majority of HC tasks) and then perform the ones I do want to take care of as GM (and a hybrid HC whereby I allow my GM to make line choices). Where there is an issue - is as DrummerJ99 has said, that you're not able to have a HC member of staff hired in that instance - though I feel the role of non human controlled staff remains mysterious in FHM anyway.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by tomkmb

Yeah that's just semantics at this stage - realistically you're able to achieve a situation where you can perform GM only tasks but also have control of the lineup. It's how I play the game, I'll be HC/GM assign things I do not want to take control of to the AI via the options (the majority of HC tasks) and then perform the ones I do want to take care of as GM (and a hybrid HC whereby I allow my GM to make line choices). Where there is an issue - is as DrummerJ99 has said, that you're not able to have a HC member of staff hired in that instance - though I feel the role of non human controlled staff remains mysterious in FHM anyway.

I understand how it works now and about those options. It's not semantics - it's 2 different things.

I only want to be GM, not GM & Coach and then assign most tasks/duties to the coach.

I don't like to compare OOTP & FHM, they're different sports altogether. However when it comes to UI and user control there are a lot of things that FHM could take from OOTP, GM only users in charge of line-ups is one of them.

It was no different with OOTP - we requested this feature for a while and eventually it got added. Now maybe FHM can follow suit if there's a strong enough voice for it.

[Tiger Fan]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

I understand how it works now and about those options. It's not semantics - it's 2 different things.

I only want to be GM, not GM & Coach and then assign most tasks/duties to the coach.

I don't like to compare OOTP & FHM, they're different sports altogether. However when it comes to UI and user control there are a lot of things that FHM could take from OOTP, GM only users in charge of line-ups is one of them.

It was no different with OOTP - we requested this feature for a while and eventually it got added. Now maybe FHM can follow suit if there's a strong enough voice for it.

It has my voice added. I agree with you completely bluenoser. I want to be just the GM but ideally I would like to be able to “recommend” certain player roles to my coach. Maybe he ignores me unless I demand he makes the change. And ideally those things can impact our relationship and his desire to resign with me when his contract expires. It is ridiculous to think the GM has no say in how most coaches utilize the players the have at their disposal.

[3z4rivyirn]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

I understand how it works now and about those options. It's not semantics - it's 2 different things.

I only want to be GM, not GM & Coach and then assign most tasks/duties to the coach.

I don't like to compare OOTP & FHM, they're different sports altogether. However when it comes to UI and user control there are a lot of things that FHM could take from OOTP, GM only users in charge of line-ups is one of them.

It was no different with OOTP - we requested this feature for a while and eventually it got added. Now maybe FHM can follow suit if there's a strong enough voice for it.

100% agree. In EHM you could do this as well so not sure why FHM hasn’t implemented it.

I want to be GM only but customize the lineups so if I create a player, I want to choose who he plays with and on what line etc but I don’t want to deal with the rest of the coaching stuff because I want to be able to sim through games without interruption.

[fanat1k]

Originally Posted by tomkmb

That's just the same as you being the GM/HC now and clicking 'AI create Lines' surely?

I noticed that if I always press 'AI create Lines' and play without injuries, the same players appear in the match all season. But if the team has a head coach, then he uses rotation and lets two reserve attackers and a reserve defender play.

[GlennN]

I'll join the call for an option for GM role to be able to set lines. I want to be that overbearing GM that Boucher mentioned! Whether realistic or not, I want more control over the lines, but I also want a head coach doing the rest of the HC job.

[artlan]

Originally Posted by GlennN

I'll join the call for an option for GM role to be able to set lines. I want to be that overbearing GM that Boucher mentioned! Whether realistic or not, I want more control over the lines, but I also want a head coach doing the rest of the HC job.

Agreed 100%!

[chessarmy]

Originally Posted by GlennN

I'll join the call for an option for GM role to be able to set lines. I want to be that overbearing GM that Boucher mentioned! Whether realistic or not, I want more control over the lines, but I also want a head coach doing the rest of the HC job.

Same. Really hoping they add this feature. It would put the game over the top for me, as I really enjoy everything else about it.

[Hockey13Playa]

Another vote here. I only want to play as GM also. But allowing lineup overrides are good. Especially for the strange goalie issue that FHM loves playing the inferior back up.

[artlan]

My top feature wish for a while now...that's how I played EHM and would like to play FHM this way too.