In-game screens improved in 1.0.3!

[Cork55]

Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

Bring your credit card ok.

My spending bill for future games was approved late last night by the Senate (ie. wife) and my planned EHM2007 purchase looks like it is a go. Just need to see that spiffy new 2d engine at work.

-Cork55

[Mr.Opinion]

Originally Posted by TETCHY

Truncated logos.

Never before have so many made so much out of so little.

Sheesh.

I was thinking the same thing.

It's amazing that people can get so up in arms about something so small and if it doesn't turn out the way they wanted, they pout. I, for one, was a fan of the truncated logos, but I'm not pouting about it.

[Cork55]

Originally Posted by Mr.Opinion

I was thinking the same thing.

It's amazing that people can get so up in arms about something so small and if it doesn't turn out the way they wanted, they pout. I, for one, was a fan of the truncated logos, but I'm not pouting about it.

I don't think people were pouting about it. Perhaps they were amazed that an obvious graphical error was so completely ignored to begin with.

-Cork55

[BPS]

I don't know if this is true, but it seems that since coming back from holiday Markus has stopped drinking that SI Kool-Aid (spiked with who knows what!) and has returned to his old form as the ultimate responsive game designer.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by BPS

I don't know if this is true, but it seems that since coming back from holiday Markus has stopped drinking that SI Kool-Aid (spiked with who knows what!) and has returned to his old form as the ultimate responsive game designer.

Where can I get an Ann Coulter doll? (Preferably life-size, but any will do... )

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by Cork55

I don't think people were pouting about it. Perhaps they were amazed that an obvious graphical error was so completely ignored to begin with.
-Cork55

This was raised as a red flag months before the game was released to the public, and given TT# multiple times for correction long before release.

It was not ignored during the prelaunch testing.

It was a much unloved design feature.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by BPS

I don't know if this is true, but it seems that since coming back from holiday Markus has stopped drinking that SI Kool-Aid

I submit you're dead wrong.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

I submit you're dead wrong.

I think you might be taking that wrong. Markus may (or may not, I don't know, but it's beside the point) be putting in as much time and effort as he was before, but I think that if you just look at the amount of posts Markus has been making in response to the general public that he has been more responsive (to the public). I'm even somewhat surprised at how much he's been posting publicly. I like it and thank him for it, I'm just surprised.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by kq76

I think you might be taking that wrong.

I take many things wrong. It is a reoccuring problem of mine.

If you mean that Markus is posting like crazy, I find it curious that he did not do so sooner, I find it welcome, and I find the outcomes encouraging.

If you mean that Markus is is straightjacketed by SI, then I stand by my words.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

I take many things wrong. It is a reoccuring problem of mine.

If you mean that Markus is posting like crazy, I find it curious that he did not do so sooner, I find it welcome, and I find the outcomes encouraging.

If you mean that Markus is is straightjacketed by SI, then I stand by my words.

Yeah, I felt the SI kool-aid bit was a bit overboard so in my own mind I tried to overlooked that part of his post. It might be true or it might not be (I wouldn't be surprised if they said a long time ago, "Markus, you focus on programming, Marc will handle the talking.", but now with Marc apparently busy elsewhere...), but overall I think it was more an attempt at a compliment, albeit a bit of a back-handed one.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by kq76

(I wouldn't be surprised if they said a long time ago, "Markus, you focus on programming, Marc will handle the talking.", but now with Marc apparently busy elsewhere...)

I believe this to be true.

[Cork55]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

This was raised as a red flag months before the game was released to the public, and given TT# multiple times for correction long before release.

It was not ignored during the prelaunch testing.

It was a much unloved design feature.

That is good to know. Those blasted logos have bugged me from day one. I guess it is the engineer in me who can't handle truncated logos. It is indeed nice to see them fixed at any rate.

-Cork55

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by TETCHY

Truncated logos.

Never before have so many made so much out of so little.

Sheesh.

You could say that about most of the threads and posts in this forum. Most of the people who participate here have some pet peeve or alteration to complain about or push for and there are usually a few others who share his concern, or oppose it, and who are willing to discuss it. What seems trivial to you may be a big deal to them. That's what makes a forum interesting, other than the discussions of your own personal concerns.

[cephasjames]

Hey Markus,

In the league history screen where it lists all of the teams, and the years they've played, the more times a teams changes names (or locations) the more squished their stats become... I'm at work so I have no picture... can you fix that too, but making it just start a second line?

That is if this isn't already fixed.

Thanks

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

This was raised as a red flag months before the game was released to the public, and given TT# multiple times for correction long before release.

It was not ignored during the prelaunch testing.

It was a much unloved design feature.

Raidergoo has it right.


On a similar matter, I made a long post during development, which included edited game screenshots, demonstrating why the game's penchant for displaying team logos in so many different sizes on the various game screens was perhaps not the best way. I recommended displaying logos in one of three sizes, which would be used everywhere in the game, thus creating a more standardized and unified look to the logos.

A side benefit of the idea was that it would allow users to create secondary team logos in one of the other smaller sizes, and thus you could see a team's main logo on some screens and the club's secondary logo on others.

I rather liked the idea myself, I felt it looked cleaner to have logo size consistency, plus it offered logo designers an interesting new option. There were others who agreed.

Alas, Markus liked things the way they were and preferred the single logo scaled by the code in the game to fit wherever it was needed...


...but it's an idea I may try to get reconsidered for OOTP2007...

[CMH]

Originally Posted by Cork55

I don't think people were pouting about it. Perhaps they were amazed that an obvious graphical error was so completely ignored to begin with.

-Cork55

How can it be a graphical error when it was purposely done?

People were reporting it as if it were a bug that needed to be fixed? That's just silly.

Going back to comments I made about a month ago (Charlie Hough may remember), I really wish Markus just stood tall and kept the cut-off look.

To me, it's amazing so many people complained about something so small, and now when people say it should have never changed those same people are complaining about the new complainers.

(was that sentence confusing? Good because it's the way I feel about most posters).

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Raidergoo has it right.


On a similar matter, I made a long post during development, which included edited game screenshots, demonstrating why the game's penchant for displaying team logos in so many different sizes on the various game screens was perhaps not the best way. I recommended displaying logos in one of three sizes, which would be used everywhere in the game, thus creating a more standardized and unified look to the logos.

A side benefit of the idea was that it would allow users to create secondary team logos in one of the other smaller sizes, and thus you could see a team's main logo on some screens and the club's secondary logo on others.

I rather liked the idea myself, I felt it looked cleaner to have logo size consistency, plus it offered logo designers an interesting new option. There were others who agreed.

Alas, Markus liked things the way they were and preferred the single logo scaled by the code in the game to fit wherever it was needed...


...but it's an idea I may try to get reconsidered for OOTP2007...

There was a discussion about this yesterday that I believe Charlie Hough started. He threw out the idea of having maybe two or three different files for each team. Each logo a different size. Is this what you are referring too?

Based on Markus' response, It seems he doesn't like the idea of all the potential extra disk space a large league would take up with two more logos per team.

I personally wouldn't mind if this happened, but what are you going to do.

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Raidergoo has it right.


On a similar matter, I made a long post during development, which included edited game screenshots, demonstrating why the game's penchant for displaying team logos in so many different sizes on the various game screens was perhaps not the best way. I recommended displaying logos in one of three sizes, which would be used everywhere in the game, thus creating a more standardized and unified look to the logos.

A side benefit of the idea was that it would allow users to create secondary team logos in one of the other smaller sizes, and thus you could see a team's main logo on some screens and the club's secondary logo on others.

I rather liked the idea myself, I felt it looked cleaner to have logo size consistency, plus it offered logo designers an interesting new option. There were others who agreed.

Alas, Markus liked things the way they were and preferred the single logo scaled by the code in the game to fit wherever it was needed...


...but it's an idea I may try to get reconsidered for OOTP2007...

Great suggestion, LGO.

My feeling is, if you are going to include logos in the game, they should be well done. I love logos. They add a lot to my enjoyment of the game.

Cutting them off...and fading them out and putting them in to interfere with text...is not my idea of good graphics.

Graphics may be trivial to some, but I think they are important...and will still keep asking for improvement in this area of the game.

Progress is being made...slowly, but surely.

I hope LGO's great suggestion is included in V2007.

[Syd Thrift]

Count me in as one of the people who likes the faded logos behind the text.

[Cork55]

Originally Posted by YankeePride

How can it be a graphical error when it was purposely done?

People were reporting it as if it were a bug that needed to be fixed? That's just silly.

Going back to comments I made about a month ago (Charlie Hough may remember), I really wish Markus just stood tall and kept the cut-off look.

To me, it's amazing so many people complained about something so small, and now when people say it should have never changed those same people are complaining about the new complainers.

(was that sentence confusing? Good because it's the way I feel about most posters).

You can call it what you like, but it was an error plain and simple.

-Cork55