city connect alternate uniforms

[progen]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Not going to be too hard to do. MLB has made it so hard to actually watch games that, to my extreme surprise, it is becoming something I miss less and less.

So many blackout rules are silly. Spring training games? Really.
Teams setting up exclusive team streaming and then only getting one or maybe two outlets to show the games? That is an interest killer to current fans and a deterrent to developing new young fans. My son and I are both losing interest without a good way to stay engaged. His kids? No interest at all. How could there be? It's not like they can "watch a game with Dad", there are none on to see that matter to him. It's a $140ish for MLB.tv with no live games for us (blacked out). If the team offered us their streaming network as standalone for $150, maybe $200 to watch all games live, we would both be in. It's not always the money, it's access and when one gets it. Without access interest dies.

I don't think I will ever drop it entirely. I keep trying to find viable ways to watch live games but it is not easy to do. There was a time this would drive me crazy but not anymore. OOTP and my dynasty is a great substitute that means my summer isn't left totally empty. A strike or lockout years ago was devastating. Now? Meh, I'll be ok. Couldn't actually watch many games anyway.

Even if I loved these uniforms they wouldn't be able to fix what is the real problem.

Die hard Phillies fan, and old timer who grew up in the 60's. Got tired of the northeast Winters, so my wife and I moved to Savannah from PA back in 2016. Retired now, so decided to order MLB Extra Innings, which also gives me MLB.TV, and for only $129. Normally, I could only see the Phils when they were on national TV.

I probably haven't watched an entire game in like 30 years, but already for this short season, I've watched three, and bits of every other Phils games. Now granted, sometimes I'm reading with the game in the background, but still have it on.

I also like the fact that I can watch all the other teams as well. Except for the Braves, which I could care less. Yesterday, for a few innings while taking a break from yard work, I watched the A's/Rays games, and Cole Irvin(a former Phillie) pitching for the A's.

I guess my point to all of this, is that the Extra Innings package has drawn me back in to watching more games and enjoying them. I can get the local announcers, or have the choice to listen to the "other" teams announcers, and get their take on what happen on the field. And can also watch some of the younger players on other teams that may someday be the next superstars. My wife will sometimes even sit for a few innings and watch as well.

[Ratbelly]

Originally Posted by progen

Die hard Phillies fan, and old timer who grew up in the 60's. Got tired of the northeast Winters, so my wife and I moved to Savannah from PA back in 2016. Retired now, so decided to order MLB Extra Innings, which also gives me MLB.TV, and for only $129. Normally, I could only see the Phils when they were on national TV.

I probably haven't watched an entire game in like 30 years, but already for this short season, I've watched three, and bits of every other Phils games. Now granted, sometimes I'm reading with the game in the background, but still have it on.

I also like the fact that I can watch all the other teams as well. Except for the Braves, which I could care less. Yesterday, for a few innings while taking a break from yard work, I watched the A's/Rays games, and Cole Irvin(a former Phillie) pitching for the A's.

I guess my point to all of this, is that the Extra Innings package has drawn me back in to watching more games and enjoying them. I can get the local announcers, or have the choice to listen to the "other" teams announcers, and get their take on what happen on the field. And can also watch some of the younger players on other teams that may someday be the next superstars. My wife will sometimes even sit for a few innings and watch as well.

MLB exta innings is a great value. I order every year. I am still working but I love to turn on the local radio feeds of the game and listen to a day game while I work. Baseball is on all day in my house. Probably drives my wife nuts.

[silvam14]

OOTP is my baseball fix now. Has been for probably the past handful of years. Can’t stomach the new game and the general attitude of baseball.

The whole pulling Kershaw with a perfect game after 80 pitches debacle is just affirmation


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[Sweed]

Originally Posted by progen

Die hard Phillies fan, and old timer who grew up in the 60's. Got tired of the northeast Winters, so my wife and I moved to Savannah from PA back in 2016. Retired now, so decided to order MLB Extra Innings, which also gives me MLB.TV, and for only $129. Normally, I could only see the Phils when they were on national TV.

I probably haven't watched an entire game in like 30 years, but already for this short season, I've watched three, and bits of every other Phils games. Now granted, sometimes I'm reading with the game in the background, but still have it on.

I also like the fact that I can watch all the other teams as well. Except for the Braves, which I could care less. Yesterday, for a few innings while taking a break from yard work, I watched the A's/Rays games, and Cole Irvin(a former Phillie) pitching for the A's.

I guess my point to all of this, is that the Extra Innings package has drawn me back in to watching more games and enjoying them. I can get the local announcers, or have the choice to listen to the "other" teams announcers, and get their take on what happen on the field. And can also watch some of the younger players on other teams that may someday be the next superstars. My wife will sometimes even sit for a few innings and watch as well.

And I would agree if the owners, like the NFL, would get together on sharing this revenue and remove the black outs. It wouldn't work so well for you if you still lived near Philadelphia.

Take me, I live 9 hours from Chicago. I cannot watch any of their games live except for Espn's Sunday night game. If they are on espn on a Wed. night? Blacked out. MLB network, blacked out. Spring training games on either of those networks? Blacked out. Yes, really ST games are blacked out. An easy way to draw in interest for the upcoming season thrown away by genius businessmen

How about a $200 charge to watch any team you like live? I would gladly pay that even if it meant I could only watch the Cubs. Take the extra $60(?) for each individual team subscriber and distribute it among the teams (or their selected network partner) that "own" that area. Hell, it's not like the games are without advertising. Those still run.

I live 3 hours from Target Field. Twins games? Blacked out. You only get out of market games live. Have to pay the exclusive provider they sell their rights to. Doesn't matter to them they are limiting the growth of a fanbase in their area. Can't think that far ahead.

As noted my son became a huge fan watching games with me as a small child. His interest, like mine, is waning. His children have no interest at all and why should they?

Put teams out as standalone subscriptions and share the money between all. I think $200 is still more than $140? A model like this would add to total subscriptions. Watching games the next morning as a replay, even if you avoid the score, is not the same experience as knowing your team plays tonight and you're looking forward to watching the game.

[r0nster]

Originally Posted by silvam14

OOTP is my baseball fix now. Has been for probably the past handful of years. Can’t stomach the new game and the general attitude of baseball.

The whole pulling Kershaw with a perfect game after 80 pitches debacle is just affirmation


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Kershaw himself said it was a good call to take him out early and said to blame it out on the lockout. I agree on the attitude but not just baseball but in 3 of the 4 major American sports exhibiting the same attitude

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Not going to be too hard to do. MLB has made it so hard to actually watch games that, to my extreme surprise, it is becoming something I miss less and less.

So many blackout rules are silly. Spring training games? Really.
Teams setting up exclusive team streaming and then only getting one or maybe two outlets to show the games? That is an interest killer to current fans and a deterrent to developing new young fans. My son and I are both losing interest without a good way to stay engaged. His kids? No interest at all. How could there be? It's not like they can "watch a game with Dad", there are none on to see that matter to him. It's a $140ish for MLB.tv with no live games for us (blacked out). If the team offered us their streaming network as standalone for $150, maybe $200 to watch all games live, we would both be in. It's not always the money, it's access and when one gets it. Without access interest dies.

I don't think I will ever drop it entirely. I keep trying to find viable ways to watch live games but it is not easy to do. There was a time this would drive me crazy but not anymore. OOTP and my dynasty is a great substitute that means my summer isn't left totally empty. A strike or lockout years ago was devastating. Now? Meh, I'll be ok. Couldn't actually watch many games anyway.

Even if I loved these uniforms they wouldn't be able to fix what is the real problem.

I mean, just imagine the shock and horror of taking 9 hours out of your time to go a game and the home team is wearing an odd uniform! It’s a travesty, just like all things that change over time! Back in my day we didn’t have these fancy schmancy “lights” on the field! And the Cubbies were terrible every year, not just some years like now!

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I mean, just imagine the shock and horror of taking 9 hours out of your time to go a game and the home team is wearing an odd uniform! It’s a travesty, just like all things that change over time! Back in my day we didn’t have these fancy schmancy “lights” on the field! And the Cubbies were terrible every year, not just some years like now!

Without the ability to follow the team there is no motivation to go see them play. A couple of guys no longer being counted in viewing ads or buy the merchandise the advertisers pay to promote. A couple of guys no longer making the trip to Wrigley and spending freely as you're only there for a couple of days. We're not the only ones. Then take into account the youngsters coming along that either
A. don't watch at all
B. become fans of teams half way across the country because the teams that are "in market" and have a chance to sell them tickets won't give them a way to become invested in their team\business. Seems a bit short sighted to me.
One might say ignorant

All of that means no chance of having to see those quote\unquote uniforms.

[silvam14]

On a not really related topic and definitely a get off my lawn type of post. The Red Sox are no longer accepting cash at Fenway. Obviously hoping that people will spend more freely with a card and pay for maybe one or two more $15 beers so they can use that money to give Jackie Bradley Jr. millions of dollars to be terrible.


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[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Without the ability to follow the team there is no motivation to go see them play. A couple of guys no longer being counted in viewing ads or buy the merchandise the advertisers pay to promote. A couple of guys no longer making the trip to Wrigley and spending freely as you're only there for a couple of days. We're not the only ones. Then take into account the youngsters coming along that either
A. don't watch at all
B. become fans of teams half way across the country because the teams that are "in market" and have a chance to sell them tickets won't give them a way to become invested in their team\business. Seems a bit short sighted to me.
One might say ignorant

All of that means no chance of having to see those quote\unquote uniforms.

You literally said that going to see the Cubs play and seeing them wearing Wrigleyville uniforms would “ruin your trip”. Now you even seem to understand how ridiculous that statement was because you’re trying to qualify it by walking it back and trying to change the subject. How about instead just saying “okay fine, that was hyperbole” instead of turning this into post modernism?

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by r0nster

Kershaw himself said it was a good call to take him out early and said to blame it out on the lockout. I agree on the attitude but not just baseball but in 3 of the 4 major American sports exhibiting the same attitude

Interesting. For the money the players make. They play less and less. I’ll never get it. As for the NHL AND NFL players play and usually ply hurt.

I think the NBA had a handful of people play 82 games this year. In the late 90’s that number was in the 70s can’t stand it


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[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

You literally said that going to see the Cubs play and seeing them wearing Wrigleyville uniforms would “ruin your trip”. Now you even seem to understand how ridiculous that statement was because you’re trying to qualify it by walking it back and trying to change the subject. How about instead just saying “okay fine, that was hyperbole” instead of turning this into post modernism?

I love the overuse of the word ridiculous on the internet. Thanks for showing how ridiculous it is. We can all play that game

Seeing the Cubs in those unis would ruin the trip for me. Nothing has changed in that regard. The only change is until they have a way to follow them, preferably live, there is no reason to make the trip. If I find an acceptable way to follow the season then a trip would probably be happening.

BBBBBBBBut you said "All of that means no chance of having to see those quote\unquote uniforms." Yes I did and that still stand too. "All of that" includes "Without the ability to follow the team there is no motivation to go see them play". If that changes then circumstances have changed. There is now a chance I could see those unis.

You're not Hamilton Burger, I'm not Perry Mason and your "walking back" isn't the "gotcha moment" you think it is. Sop trying so hard to be the guy with the last word it's not impressing anyone


Seeing the Steelers in their bumble bee unis would ruin a trip to Pittsburgh, for me. Any NFL team without a logo on the helmet (Cleveland doesn't qualify unless they remove the stripes) would be a ruined trip, for me.

These are just my opinions and in the first post opinions were literally asked for.

Originally Posted by r0nster

I just read article that Houston is doing this and 5 other teams also has this
Curious of your thoughts of this being done??

Not sure why sharing them gets your panties in a bunch The issue is yours, not mine.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Seeing the Cubs in those unis would ruin the trip for me.

If it weren’t for the fact that people in this sub folder are complaining about capitalism, this would be the dumbest thing I’ve read all week. Congratulations, I guess?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

If it weren’t for the fact that people in this sub folder are complaining about capitalism, this would be the dumbest thing I’ve read all week. Congratulations, I guess?

There you go foster more discussion by ragging on people you don't agree with. Makes it a board everybody wants to participate in.

It's an opinion about a uniform. But yeah, you go ahead disrespecting members here based on "your opinion is the only right one". It's like you're going out of the way to make yourself look bad. Carry on.

[itsmb8]

Originally Posted by Sweed

There you go foster more discussion by ragging on people you don't agree with. Makes it a board everybody wants to participate in.

It's an opinion about a uniform. But yeah, you go ahead disrespecting members here based on "your opinion is the only right one". It's like you're going out of the way to make yourself look bad. Carry on.

Just to act as a moderator to this discussion, youre right. It is just an opinion about a uniform. In the grand scheme of things its meaningless and who really cares what others think at the end of the day. BUT, you kinda started this with the "wearing that uniform would ruin the trip" comment. You cant make a statement as serious as that and then say "its just an opinion about a uniform."

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by itsmb8

Just to act as a moderator to this discussion, youre right. It is just an opinion about a uniform. In the grand scheme of things its meaningless and who really cares what others think at the end of the day. BUT, you kinda started this with the "wearing that uniform would ruin the trip" comment. You cant make a statement as serious as that and then say "its just an opinion about a uniform."

If I had to drive 9 hours to go to a Cubs game and when I got there the team that I wanted to see at wrigley field who I may or may not have followed since a child had these (IMO) awful uniforms that said wrigleyville, yeah, I could see it being a blight on the long trip and anticipation. Don't think it is that out of whack.

Now, if I went to 5-10 games a year and the park was a short train ride from my house and I got all bent out of shape about one game, then its a little different. Just my opinion

[Kobeck]

not as awful as NFL color rush but MLB is trying

[Kobeck]

Originally Posted by itsmb8

Just to act as a moderator to this discussion, youre right. It is just an opinion about a uniform. In the grand scheme of things its meaningless and who really cares what others think at the end of the day. BUT, you kinda started this with the "wearing that uniform would ruin the trip" comment. You cant make a statement as serious as that and then say "its just an opinion about a uniform."

his opinion is it would ruin the trip and people want to argue it... that is his opinion

[kq76]

When I looked at them on players I thought the Boston ones looked the best, but I think that might be because I often have at least 1 team in my leagues with a similar colour scheme and I think they look great. But I was perplexed as to what they had to do with Boston. Now to read here that they're capitalizing off of a tragedy is rather disturbing.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by itsmb8

Just to act as a moderator to this discussion, youre right. It is just an opinion about a uniform. In the grand scheme of things its meaningless and who really cares what others think at the end of the day. BUT, you kinda started this with the "wearing that uniform would ruin the trip" comment. You cant make a statement as serious as that and then say "its just an opinion about a uniform."

So then "this would be the dumbest thing I’ve read all week." is a fair response?
How dare I express my opinion on such a "serious" subject in a thread that started with a post asking for opinions.

All of the people that gushed about how cool they are, were going to buy, love the grey, etc. etc. etc. Please quote my posts where I knocked what they said on this "serious" subject. You won't find any. I let them have their say. You know how a thread that asks for an opinion is supposed to work.

His statements are out of line period. There is nothing wrong with anything I said while giving my opinion, period.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by silvam14

If I had to drive 9 hours to go to a Cubs game and when I got there the team that I wanted to see at wrigley field who I may or may not have followed since a child had these (IMO) awful uniforms that said wrigleyville, yeah, I could see it being a blight on the long trip and anticipation. Don't think it is that out of whack.

Now, if I went to 5-10 games a year and the park was a short train ride from my house and I got all bent out of shape about one game, then its a little different. Just my opinion

Exactly.