2024 NFL Season thread

[mytreds]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

The NFL has forgotten why kickoffs were returned in the first place. No one kicked it to Devon Hester because they wanted to. He returned kickoffs because kickers couldn't kick it through the endzone. Now most teams don't care if you start at the 30. Why they did not anticipate this is beyond me.

I wondered this as well. They moved the ball forward to reduce kick off returns and injuries. Now they moved the players around to allow kick off returns again, but didn’t move the ball back. It won’t be long until kickers just blast it into the end zone in a regular basis again. Either go back to the old way or just start the offense on the 20 yard line.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by mytreds

I wondered this as well. They moved the ball forward to reduce kick off returns and injuries. Now they moved the players around to allow kick off returns again, but didn’t move the ball back. It won’t be long until kickers just blast it into the end zone in a regular basis again. Either go back to the old way or just start the offense on the 20 yard line.

They need to move the ball back to kicking it off from the 30, or make it come out to the 35 if you kick it through the endzone. If a team doesn't care that you start at the 35, then so be it. But kicking it off from the 30 would be the wise choice.

[Ragnar]

Another thing I noticed. On Thursday night football they made it a point to make sure offensive tackles were on the LOS at the snap. Calling a penalty on the Ravens tackles multiple times. I took this to mean the league was put on notice.

But every other game I watched they ignored this completely. Especially the Giants game where Giants tackles were well behind where they should be. Not a single call.

[Cobra Mgr]

The one thing the Panthers have going for them, DT Derrick Brown, just signed to an extension, is believed to have a season-ending meniscus tear.

Let the tank begin!!!!!!!!

Even when Carolina makes the rare right decision it blows up in their faces.

[monkeyman576]

Nice to see guys like DeShaun Watson and Aaron Rodgers get what's coming to them. Karma's a witch.

[Cobra Mgr]

Body Cam police footage of Tyrek Hill "detainment".

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Body Cam police footage of Tyrek Hill "detainment".

- I can't tell what the reason for the stop was
- He was an absolute ass to the police
- Police got aggressive too fast

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

- I can't tell what the reason for the stop was
- He was an absolute ass to the police
- Police got aggressive too fast

There's also video of him speeding through a construction zone. To me, it didn't look like he was driving reckless, but I don't know what excuses cops can use. A certain amount over the speed limit can be considered reckless driving. That's the one moving violation that you can be arrested for.

My guess is he just would have got a speeding ticket had he not done everything else.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Nice to see guys like DeShaun Watson and Aaron Rodgers get what's coming to them. Karma's a witch.

What is Aaron Rodgers getting? There might be 1 or 2 teams in the entire league that can go into San Francisco and win. I actually think the Jets are going to win the division. Or am I missing something?

Watson is getting 230 million coming to him. Even though he looks like dog crap. Not the player he was 4 years ago. But then again, he didn't have his two starting tackles.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

- I can't tell what the reason for the stop was
- He was an absolute ass to the police
- Police got aggressive too fast

I wish more people thought like you. Too many people pick a side when most of the time in these incidents both were wrong.

No one should be treated rudely for doing their job. ESPECIALLY, when you clearly was in the wrong. On the same token, officers go thru this daily and shouldn't feel they have a right to escalate the situation. ESPECIALLY, when you are a trained professional & given a gun w/a gang of trained professionals who also have guns.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

My guess is he just would have got a speeding ticket had he not done everything else.

There's the problem. Why did "everything else" lead to everything else? Imagine you & someone else going to court for assault & battery & the judge asks you why it happened & you both state cause one of you didn't keep his window open? He'd look @ both of you like you were childish.

I understood why both parties argued over the window. Hill didn't want to see his face on TMZ. And the officer wants to see clearly what is going on in the car. In this case, the officer's safety rules the day.

But it never gave the officer the right to talk down on Hill like he wasn't a man. Nor did it give him the right drag him out of the car to the ground w/o a reasonable time to get himself situated to get out.

Now Tyreek is on TMZ & everything else. And the officers are now under investigation. And they all have themselves to blame. It didn't need to get to that point.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

There's the problem. Why did "everything else" lead to everything else? Imagine you & someone else going to court for assault & battery & the judge asks you why it happened & you both state cause one of you didn't keep his window open? He'd look @ both of you like you were childish.

I understood why both parties argued over the window. Hill didn't want to see his face on TMZ. And the officer wants to see clearly what is going on in the car. In this case, the officer's safety rules the day.

But it never gave the officer the right to talk down on Hill like he wasn't a man. Nor did it give him the right drag him out of the car to the ground w/o a reasonable time to get himself situated to get out.

Now Tyreek is on TMZ & everything else. And the officers are now under investigation. And they all have themselves to blame. It didn't need to get to that point.

Going by the video, I think we both know what happened here. People in general don't like to be talked down to. Tyreek acted like a jerk and the cops took it too personally. Not what I would have done. He would have sat there until he rolled his window down on his own.

But ultimately I put this on Hill. How do you get yourself dragged out of your car, face down on the pavement? He did it to himself.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Going by the video, I think we both know what happened here. People in general don't like to be talked down to. Tyreek acted like a jerk and the cops took it too personally. Not what I would have done. He would have sat there until he rolled his window down on his own.

But ultimately I put this on Hill. How do you get yourself dragged out of your car, face down on the pavement? He did it to himself.

Name the law that allows an officer to do what he did.

The law gives the officer the right to meet physical force (at minimum the threat of physical force) w/physical force. As belligerent as Hill was, he never threatened anyone w/physical harm. He wasn't given a reasonable amount of time to comply w/getting out of the car. There was no excuse to get physical. That is not what society is paying him or training him to do. And if he can't operate under the parameters given to him, he should not be employed as a peace officer.

And it doesn't excuse their actions afterwards towards bystanders & his teammates. Calias Campbell was put in handcuffs while obeying the officer's instructions to get back. Others tried to de-escalate the situation & they threatened them w/arrest & tickets. Not to mention, I couldn't miss the irony, that all of this blew up cause Hill wouldn't keep his window open . Then later the police is demanding another vehicle keep their doors closed.

Like I told CONN CHRIS, both sides were wrong. You can't place blame on one party. Neither looked good. Neither behaved like we expect human beings to behave in public. Neither gave each other the respect & dignity that is deserved w/being a member of the human race.

[Cobra Mgr]

Chargers to LA had to be one of the worst football moves in history. Charger fans waving bye to the crowd after securing victory over the Raiders. And the Chargers were the home team.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

- He was an absolute ass to the police

Wow. We must have watched different videos. What was being an "absolute ass"? Does rolling his window back up after he rolled it down and gave his ID to the officer constitute being an ass? I understand listening to black commentators today that rolling your window up in front of the police is a very dangerous thing to do if you're a black man in the United States, but wow. It's not something to flip out over. It wasn't even the primary guy who flipped out, but some other guy.

What I found most surprising was you can definitely hear someone say, "that's Tyreke Hill" even before they yanked him out of the car (at 0:55). So they knew it was him and yet they still treated him like an animal.

I'm glad he's still alive. That could have gone far worse if they didn't know who he was. Maybe this will make some officer out there think twice before treating a black person so severely. Not likely, but maybe.

I'm very thankful I have no idea how that must feel.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by kq76

Wow. We must have watched different videos. What was being an "absolute ass"? Does rolling his window back up after he rolled it down and gave his ID to the officer constitute being an ass? I understand listening to black commentators today that rolling your window up in front of the police is a very dangerous thing to do if you're a black man in the United States, but wow. It's not something to flip out over. It wasn't even the primary guy who flipped out, but some other guy.

What I found most surprising was you can definitely hear someone say, "that's Tyreke Hill" even before they yanked him out of the car (at 0:55). So they knew it was him and yet they still treated him like an animal.

I'm glad he's still alive. That could have gone far worse if they didn't know who he was. Maybe this will make some officer out there think twice before treating a black person so severely. Not likely, but maybe.

I'm very thankful I have no idea how that must feel.

I didn't say the aggression was justified, it wasn't. I said that he was an absolute ass. He was. (we must be watching different footage!) I have been stopped a few times and wouldn't behave that way.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by kq76

Wow. We must have watched different videos. What was being an "absolute ass"? Does rolling his window back up after he rolled it down and gave his ID to the officer constitute being an ass? I understand listening to black commentators today that rolling your window up in front of the police is a very dangerous thing to do if you're a black man in the United States, but wow. It's not something to flip out over. It wasn't even the primary guy who flipped out, but some other guy.

What I found most surprising was you can definitely hear someone say, "that's Tyreke Hill" even before they yanked him out of the car (at 0:55). So they knew it was him and yet they still treated him like an animal.

I'm glad he's still alive. That could have gone far worse if they didn't know who he was. Maybe this will make some officer out there think twice before treating a black person so severely. Not likely, but maybe.

I'm very thankful I have no idea how that must feel.

"Don't knock on my window." "Go do what you gotta do."

That's not how we should be talking to officers. It should not lead to handcuffs. But it is not how we should be addressing them if we have "a lotta of respect" for them as Tyreek claims. The officer shouldn't have to knock on his window multiple times to get his attention in the 1st place. A policeman pulls you over you should be giving him your full attention.

That's respect. These are common sense things. Further, these are common decency things. Tyreek was an @$$. But being an @$$ isn't against the law.

[monkeyman576]

If he was speeding, being a football player doesn't give you a right to not get a speeding ticket or be a jerk to police officers.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

What is Aaron Rodgers getting? There might be 1 or 2 teams in the entire league that can go into San Francisco and win. I actually think the Jets are going to win the division. Or am I missing something?

Watson is getting 230 million coming to him. Even though he looks like dog crap. Not the player he was 4 years ago. But then again, he didn't have his two starting tackles.

Both lost their games. I would not bet on the Jets going anywhere this year. But go for it if you have spare change.

[kq76]

Wouldn't behave what way? I didn't hear him be belligerent to the officer or anything. Maybe he was, but I didn't hear it. I certainly don't think the officer who violently yanked him out of his car could have heard that if I couldn't. Yeah, he rolled his window up, but I could see myself doing that in that situation too. We don't always do what's smart when we're in stressful situations. Sometimes we do really stupid things without first thinking what we're doing. I certainly have. The only other thing I saw him do was he was clearly talking to his agent, Drew Rosenhaus (he says, "Drew"), and pro players are told to call designated people when they're in dangerous situations like this. I don't think talking to someone on the phone while the police are stopping you should qualify as being an ass. Whatever. We clearly see this situation in completely different ways.