Vegas A's Stadium

[pilight]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Forget spending the next three years in the shadow of Mt. Davis:

A's announce they will play 2025-2027 in Sacramento, at the River Cats' stadium. (Capacity 25,000)

Congratulations, John Fisher! You're an embarrassment to us all!

Not sure where you got 25,000. It has 10,000 seats and room for maybe 5000 more on a grassy hill.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by pilight

Not sure where you got 25,000. It has 10,000 seats and room for maybe 5000 more on a grassy hill.

Room for 5,000 on a berm with no toilets will be plenty.

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by pilight

Not sure where you got 25,000. It has 10,000 seats and room for maybe 5000 more on a grassy hill.

It was in some reporting.

Even 25,000 would be a bad joke, though.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by pilight

Not sure where you got 25,000. It has 10,000 seats and room for maybe 5000 more on a grassy hill.

Still about 9,000 seats than the A's need on most nights...

[CONN CHRIS]

John Fisher said that this park will be the most intimate park in MLB and that he can't wait to watch the MLB's top stars like Aaron Judge hit home runs there.

Yeah, the bottom of this barrel for Oakland fans has yet to be found.

[CONN CHRIS]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-...223917790.html

This could be more entertainment than I could have imagined. If the Sacramento River Cats move to Oakland Colosseum while the A's are in their park you have to know exactly what will happen given the way this beaten-down fan base has been able to organize itself.

15-20,000 per game at the Colosseum to watch the River Cats.

Player family and friends cooking hotdogs op that berm in Sacramento while the A's owner enjoys watching MLB stars launch HRs off his AAA pitching staff.

[Amazin69]

In the 1930s and 1940s, when the (non-affiliated) Pacific Coast League considered itself equivalent to the AL/NL, there were PCL stars who turned down chances to go East.

It's a pity the Oakland River Cats players will literally be contracted to the Sacramento Athletics, or you could see that again.

"I'm good, brah. Call if you get to Vegas."

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

John Fisher said that this park will be the most intimate park in MLB and that he can't wait to watch the MLB's top stars like Aaron Judge hit home runs there.

Yeah, the bottom of this barrel for Oakland fans has yet to be found.

You might think that Fisher would know that the object of the game is for the Oakland pitchers (and defense) to get Aaron Judge out.

Apparently not, however.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

You might think that Fisher would know that the object of the game is for the Oakland pitchers (and defense) to get Aaron Judge out.

Apparently not, however.

Sounds like a fine is due.

Anyone check to see if Fisher has a Fan Duel account?

[CONN CHRIS]

I read that they will not be the Sacramento A's but just the A's.

I prefer the 'Triple A's' The memes will write themselves.

[Syd Thrift]

So I'm back to being firmly in the "screw the A's" camp, if I ever in fact left it...

https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/stat...77552831815855

It appears that the difference between what Oakland offered and what the A's wanted was about $35 million or so over three years.

Or about the same that the Angels are paying reliever Robert Stephenson.

Meanwhile, owners overseeing an industry worth many tens of billions of dollars stand by and watch their weakest franchise put on this cheap circus, and do nothing.

Incomprehensible. And a terrible business decision.

[Amazin69]

If an A's ticket is $15 on average, then they could make up the $11.66 mn/yr cost of staying in Oakland simply by selling ~700k more seats than they will in Tomato Can Town.

Or roughly 9000/game. Add in the increased profits on concessions and merch, and the break-even point is probably more like 6000/game.

The A's didn't think it was worth staying in Oakland to try and sell ~16,000 seats/game. FFS.

[Pelican]

Seriously, what would it take for MLB to step in for Fisher and take over the team, until they could find a competent owner with deep pockets? My 2024 A's with Snell, Kershaw, Woodruff, Bellinger and a few other free agents are at least competitive in a good Division. Now, that wasn't so hard. The payroll is still one of the lowest in the game.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Seriously, what would it take for MLB to step in for Fisher and take over the team, until they could find a competent owner with deep pockets? My 2024 A's with Snell, Kershaw, Woodruff, Bellinger and a few other free agents are at least competitive in a good Division. Now, that wasn't so hard. The payroll is still one of the lowest in the game.

When they set precedent to take over one franchise, they set precedent for all of their franchises to be taken over. The A's haven't used any tactic that the rest of them haven't at one time or another.

[Syd Thrift]

MLB did step in and take over the Expos at one point but that was because... well, it was because of some bizarre circumstances. Jeffrey Loria was blowing up the Expos, the league had voted 28-2 to disband them and the Minnesota Twins, and then Loria was allowed to purchase the Marlins from John Henry, who'd just bought the Red Sox. He sold the Expos to MLB at large, who eventually found the buyer to move them to Washington.

I really think it would need to be a "either this or we contract the team" situation and I just don't think there's another team in the league in the kinds of dire straits that Oakland's in at the moment to make a call like that. Tampa, kind of? Except Tampa's winning games with their low payroll and bad attendance.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by pilight

Not sure where you got 25,000. It has 10,000 seats and room for maybe 5000 more on a grassy hill.

Not sure if it will matter at this point.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Seriously, what would it take for MLB to step in for Fisher and take over the team, until they could find a competent owner with deep pockets? My 2024 A's with Snell, Kershaw, Woodruff, Bellinger and a few other free agents are at least competitive in a good Division. Now, that wasn't so hard. The payroll is still one of the lowest in the game.

We should encourage reporters to dig something up on Fisher. He's probably done something worthy of throwing him out of the league. Other than turning a storied franchise into a complete joke / AAA team, of course.

Donald Sterling may be the most well known case (or more recently, Dan Snyder), but there's been plenty.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

It was in some reporting.

Even 25,000 would be a bad joke, though.

25k times 81 games is over two million fans. A's haven't drawn 2 million since ... let me check... ten years ago, and only once in the last 20 years.

If Oakland were to draw 2 million a year, they would stay put.

[Amazin69]

Of course a team that could draw 25,000 every single game would be drawing 35-40K some days, given that option.

But of course, there's a distribution curve. No team builds a park expecting to fill it every day. The idea is to be able to catch the occasional larger crowds when they show up. If 25,000 is the summit of your ambition, you're probably lucky to draw 5000 regularly. So playing in 25,000 capacity park is basically a concession speech.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

MLB did step in and take over the Expos at one point but that was because... well, it was because of some bizarre circumstances. Jeffrey Loria was blowing up the Expos, the league had voted 28-2 to disband them and the Minnesota Twins, and then Loria was allowed to purchase the Marlins from John Henry, who'd just bought the Red Sox. He sold the Expos to MLB at large, who eventually found the buyer to move them to Washington.

I really think it would need to be a "either this or we contract the team" situation and I just don't think there's another team in the league in the kinds of dire straits that Oakland's in at the moment to make a call like that. Tampa, kind of? Except Tampa's winning games with their low payroll and bad attendance.

I know MLB & other leagues have ousted owners. But as you said, it had to be extraordinary circumstances. The A's haven't done a thing that other owners haven't done to their own home cities. The A's are just in a time frame where those tactics no longer are working.

Citizens are tired of paying for billionaires' playpens to rake even more of citizens' income. And it is no longer political suicide to lose a franchise while you are in office. Look what happened in KC last week. Look what happened w/NVa's attempt to build the Caps/Wizards a home.

There was always a city out there that would say "yes" to tax $ building these teams a luxurious money maker. That has dried up. Now hometowns are saying if you can find a better offer, take it. And owners never thought they would get their bluff called.