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Old 03-10-2024, 11:48 AM   #61
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I'm not missing anything.
Look at past versions, look at the company making the product. Do your research before you put your $$$ on the table. Same as you would before buying anything.
Oooor, the vendor can say, "Here is our product, these are the features." Make it easy for the customer. And doing research of past versions won't tell you will be in the version currently for sale.

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And there's nothing wrong with asking for more info.
So if there's nothing wrong with asking for more information, why are you bellyaching at those who want more information?

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That can be done without the unfounded accusations.
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The company is entitled to market the product as they see fit, same as you're entitled to keep your money if you're not happy about it.
Yes they can market it any way the want. Pointing out that not showing potential customers what is they are being solicited to purchase is an ineffective counterproductive strategy is a critique of said marketing.

Still want to know why it is a good marketing strategy to not tell potential buyers what is being offered for sale.
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Old 03-10-2024, 12:03 PM   #62
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There sure are a lot of people worried about how Markus chooses to market his product.

I wonder why he's not
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Old 03-10-2024, 12:35 PM   #63
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There sure are a lot of people worried about how Markus chooses to market his product.

I wonder why he's not
Perhaps Com2Us gives them a very low advertising and/or marketing budget. After all, there isn’t even a mention of OOTP anywhere the name Com2Us even appears. So I suppose it’s a case of the Apple not falling from the tree.

Still think it was a horrible decision (for the consumers at least) to see out to Com2Us.
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I've been very careful (at least I've tried to be) to not disclose anything that hasn't been closed by one of the OOTPD team. What I'll say is that there are a lot of cool little enhancements that have come in, the kinds of things that a. people have been asking for for a while and b. are exactly the kinds of things OOTPD has been burned for by touting as an enhancement in the past.

This is a game that makes little incremental changes from year to year. Sometimes those "incremental" changes are kind of a big deal under the hood but you won't see the real effect for an iteration or two. There's one big one that's exactly that but which I haven't seen posted by the devs (in part because I think to most players who don't play around with the editor, they'll never notice it) so I'll remain mum about it. Not saying anyone should buy a product based on Nixon-style secret plans to improve the game of course.
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Old 03-10-2024, 01:23 PM   #65
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Perhaps Com2Us gives them a very low advertising and/or marketing budget. After all, there isn’t even a mention of OOTP anywhere the name Com2Us even appears. So I suppose it’s a case of the Apple not falling from the tree.

Still think it was a horrible decision (for the consumers at least) to see out to Com2Us.
Whether it was horrible or not can be debated for eternity. At the end of the day Markus made a business decision and from what I can see he doesn't regret it.

I liked OOTP when it was smaller, but then we wouldn't have a lot of the improvements we now have.

What I miss most though is the old days of pre release. The days when the forums were full of excitement, wondering what new goodies Markus had included in this years version. It seems like now there's a lot of "they won't tell us anything, they're spending all the money on PT, the game will just be a re release with updated rosters, etc etc complaints." It leaves me scratching my head some of the posts I read.

I'm just different I guess. I get excited every year, just like I did way back when the game was new. I'm grateful a new version comes out every year. I'd be lost without it. OOTP fills so much of my time it's like a family member.

Anyway, I hope all who purchase find plenty of enjoyment with this years version.
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I just hope the game doesn't stink. I purchased and refunded the last 2, 23 and 24. I almost did the same here, but i am holding out hope.
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Old 03-10-2024, 02:20 PM   #67
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The NH beta comes out 3 days early. That is when the changelist is published. And people will post on here first impressions. Use this information to make your choice
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Perhaps Com2Us gives them a very low advertising and/or marketing budget. After all, there isn’t even a mention of OOTP anywhere the name Com2Us even appears. So I suppose it’s a case of the Apple not falling from the tree.

Still think it was a horrible decision (for the consumers at least) to see out to Com2Us.



This. Markus probably sold out to them so they would handle things like marketing.



Game Devs don't make natural marketers.




I think they picked the wrong company to sell out to though. I can't believe there aren't better publishers willing to make an offer.
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I've been very careful (at least I've tried to be) to not disclose anything that hasn't been closed by one of the OOTPD team. What I'll say is that there are a lot of cool little enhancements that have come in, the kinds of things that a. people have been asking for for a while and b. are exactly the kinds of things OOTPD has been burned for by touting as an enhancement in the past.

This is a game that makes little incremental changes from year to year. Sometimes those "incremental" changes are kind of a big deal under the hood but you won't see the real effect for an iteration or two. There's one big one that's exactly that but which I haven't seen posted by the devs (in part because I think to most players who don't play around with the editor, they'll never notice it) so I'll remain mum about it. Not saying anyone should buy a product based on Nixon-style secret plans to improve the game of course.
I for one am hopeful that you are correct about the incremental changes, this is what I want to see. It's just hard to give them my money when we haven't even seen a list of what's in this one, or any gameplay shots. Why can't they just tell one of their streamers to do a quick stream like last year? It's not like they really pay their affiliates much of anything. It makes me worry that the game is not in a playable state. I know the beta testers claim it is, but last year the beta testers somehow missed that pitcher stamina was completely broken (default led to 120 pitch starts typically, lower it one click and they dropped to like 75 pitch starts. The bug was fixed a month or so in).

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Old 03-10-2024, 07:12 PM   #70
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It amazes me sometimes how someone can say "I don't have the interest or time to watch a video" and then turn around and expect us (who DID watch the video) summarize everything they want to know in a paragraph.

Privilege to the extreme.
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I for one am hopeful that you are correct about the incremental changes, this is what I want to see. It's just hard to give them my money when we haven't even seen a list of what's in this one, or any gameplay shots. Why can't they just tell one of their streamers to do a quick stream like last year? It's not like they really pay their affiliates much of anything. It makes me worry that the game is not in a playable state. I know the beta testers claim it is, but last year the beta testers somehow missed that pitcher stamina was completely broken (default led to 120 pitch starts typically, lower it one click and they dropped to like 75 pitch starts. The bug was fixed a month or so in).
The game for me has been nothing but stable throughout the beta process and that's a big part of why the game's getting released earlier than it has been in the past (didn't it not come out until May last year or the year before?). And while there will *always* be something the beta team misses, I sure haven't seen anything showstoppingly bad for several iterations.
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It amazes me sometimes how someone can say "I don't have the interest or time to watch a video" and then turn around and expect us (who DID watch the video) summarize everything they want to know in a paragraph.

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Nobody expects you or any other forum member to summarize a video. We expect the developers to. You know the people who actually know what’s going on.


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It amazes me sometimes how someone can say "I don't have the interest or time to watch a video" and then turn around and expect us (who DID watch the video) summarize everything they want to know in a paragraph.

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I don't want to be the old man shaking his hand at clouds meme but we get this every. single. year. What are the new features? They'll be announced officially once the game releases. Where can I find more about them now? There are dev videos. What if I don't want to watch them? Wait for the pre-order. But I don't want to wait!

Like, pick one of the above. You can't have the entire pie, Charles.
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Yes, so wait until the release. Once the release day comes, they publish a list of new things in there.
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I don't want to be the old man shaking his hand at clouds meme but we get this every. single. year. What are the new features? They'll be announced officially once the game releases. Where can I find more about them now? There are dev videos. What if I don't want to watch them? Wait for the pre-order. But I don't want to wait!

Like, pick one of the above. You can't have the entire pie, Charles.

I pretty much always watch the videos (although I'd prefer a written list, which IS something they could do, its not unreasonable to ask about it) and there was a notable difference this year in the amount of detail and the amount of screenshots or let's plays that they usually do. Cannot speak for OP but I do see a difference for what's it's worth.
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The game for me has been nothing but stable throughout the beta process and that's a big part of why the game's getting released earlier than it has been in the past (didn't it not come out until May last year or the year before?). And while there will *always* be something the beta team misses, I sure haven't seen anything showstoppingly bad for several iterations.
That's great news and I appreciate you and all the beta testers putting in the time to help make this game as good as it can be.
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Yes, so wait until the release. Once the release day comes, they publish a list of new things in there.
Oh I do. Can't tell ya the last time I preordered a game. But..if OOTP actually wants preorders it might be good to tell people what changed. Only a small percentage of the public are gonna buy a game yearly without knowing what's changed.
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Oh I do. Can't tell ya the last time I preordered a game. But..if OOTP actually wants preorders it might be good to tell people what changed. Only a small percentage of the public are gonna buy a game yearly without knowing what's changed.
What do you want? An exact, fully-inclusive list of everything in the game? I mean, this page looks just about up to par with every single other product in the world that's released with "new features."

https://www.ootpdevelopments.com/out...-home-buy-now/
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This thread happens every year and every year I shake my head at people defending the actions of OOTP.

Grown-ass men cheerleading for a company not disclosing the content of their product but pushing for people to preorder.

I've been at the OOTP game since OOTP 2. I loved the development, I looked forward to the game, I believed in the process. Nowadays, I simply have no respect for the development team. It's anti-consumer and they really dont deserve anybody's money, ESPECIALLY before the game is even released because of the antics leading up to a release. Every. Single. Year.
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This thread happens every year and every year I shake my head at people defending the actions of OOTP.

Grown-ass men cheerleading for a company not disclosing the content of their product but pushing for people to preorder.

I've been at the OOTP game since OOTP 2. I loved the development, I looked forward to the game, I believed in the process. Nowadays, I simply have no respect for the development team. It's anti-consumer and they really dont deserve anybody's money, ESPECIALLY before the game is even released because of the antics leading up to a release. Every. Single. Year.
The entitlement of you people is just outrageous. No one is pushing anything that every other developer doesn’t push. You don’t have to preorder. The discounts will still be there if you don’t. You don’t deserve anything. Stop being a prepubescent child.
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