Any closer to getting *** license back? - Page 2

OleDylano23 · 02-16-2024, 11:11 AM

No, but they didn't have a problem raising the price of the game though.

Rain King · 02-16-2024, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OleDylano23

No, but they didn't have a problem raising the price of the game though.

I mean, this game has been way under-priced for years when comparing it to the market.

Plus, they are giving a huge pre-sale discount...so essentially nullifying that price increase for this year.

kq76 · 02-16-2024, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RMc

Methinks that Markus is being cowardly here.

Yeah, you know, you might be right. Maybe what Markus should do is hire the yakuza and have them go to *** headquarters to make them an offer they can't refuse. Anybody know the yakuza's contact info? I'll get the ball rolling and send them an email.

Sweed · 02-16-2024, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OleDylano23

No, but they didn't have a problem raising the price of the game though.

Out of curiosity.. What do you do for a living, and have you had a raise in the last 25 years?

why_though126 · 02-16-2024, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RMc

If OOTP reaches out and the other party ignores them or tells them they're not interested, then there's not much you can do.

Who is "the other party"? Does eN Pee Bee control the Cuban League, too? And the Mexican League, and the Australian, Taiwanese and European leagues? Methinks that Markus is being cowardly here.

If they continued using the likeness of *** without a license, they could've been shut down by expensive lawsuits at worst, or sent a cease and desist letter at best.

snepp · 02-16-2024, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

Yeah, you know, you might be right. Maybe what Markus should do is hire the yakuza and have them go to *** headquarters to make them an offer they can't refuse. Anybody know the yakuza's contact info? I'll get the ball rolling and send them an email.

I think they use a private Discord, so you'll need to scrounge up an invite.

dishnet34 · 02-16-2024, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

Yeah, you know, you might be right. Maybe what Markus should do is hire the yakuza and have them go to *** headquarters to make them an offer they can't refuse. Anybody know the yakuza's contact info? I'll get the ball rolling and send them an email.

I may or may not know a guy... :P

eriqjaffe · 02-16-2024, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

WTF does cowardly even mean in this context? Methinks yoos a trole.

"Afraid of being sued into oblivion?"

I guess that could be construed as cowardly, if you're not the one who'd be facing the lawsuits and possible bankruptcy.

AESP_pres · 02-16-2024, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OleDylano23

No, but they didn't have a problem raising the price of the game though.

Have you notice that nothing cost the same that it did 25 years ago? Unless St. Louis is situated in a mystery zone with no inflation I'm sure you did...

rudel.dietrich · 02-16-2024, 06:07 PM

There are ways to ask about this issue without devolving into insults.

I do think they are being a bit over cautious on the issue.
Other titles in this genre use unlicensed leagues in their games and have done so for years or decades.

I imagine COM2US is just a very risk adverse company.
And the money to be made off this franchise is now tied up into PT and not the base sales of the game.

The licenses do not affect PT so little thought is given to them.

I am not sure of the exact history at this point, but it seems like the Japanese league may of brought up the issue and they overdid it a bit and deleted every nation and league that did not have an official license.

ChrisJNelson · 02-16-2024, 06:33 PM

It's a bummer they're not in the game by default, but it's pretty easy to add them back in almost completely with just a few tweaks.

As someone that plays controlling MLB teams in modern saves and simming well into the future, all I care about is the leagues existing to generate players. Real-life players would be cool but it's not a big deal when you're largely playing in a simulated future.

OutS|der · 02-16-2024, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Have you notice that nothing cost the same that it did 25 years ago? Unless St. Louis is situated in a mystery zone with no inflation I'm sure you did...

Raised prices in the past don't justify more price raises. Just because everyone is jumping off a bridge doesn't make it right.

Rain King · 02-16-2024, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

Raised prices in the past don't justify more price raises. Just because everyone is jumping off a bridge doesn't make it right.

The point is that they HAVE NOT raised prices in the past while inflation increased everything around them. It was inevitable that they were going to have to do so at some point.

PSUColonel · 02-16-2024, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

There are ways to ask about this issue without devolving into insults.

I do think they are being a bit over cautious on the issue.
Other titles in this genre use unlicensed leagues in their games and have done so for years or decades.

I imagine COM2US is just a very risk adverse company.
And the money to be made off this franchise is now tied up into PT and not the base sales of the game.

The licenses do not affect PT so little thought is given to them.

I am not sure of the exact history at this point, but it seems like the Japanese league may of brought up the issue and they overdid it a bit and deleted every nation and league that did not have an official license.

I fully admit this has made me much more disinterested in OOTP over the last couple of years.

Cactusguy21 · 02-16-2024, 07:04 PM

I know that getting the licensed leagues is difficult, but can you please please please consider having templates for some generic foreign leagues that have the same player creation modifiers but otherwise are totally fictional? This would allow those of us who like WBC in the game to still play it.

OleDylano23 · 02-16-2024, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Have you notice that nothing cost the same that it did 25 years ago? Unless St. Louis is situated in a mystery zone with no inflation I'm sure you did...

Actually it’s hit me so hard I can barely afford to live, just sucks seeing OOTP raise their price to $50 because that probably priced me out. Yeah I know I have more important things to worry about but OOTP has gotten me through a ton of tough times

AESP_pres · 02-16-2024, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

Raised prices in the past don't justify more price raises. Just because everyone is jumping off a bridge doesn't make it right.

They haven't in the past... so your point is what because they never "jumping off any bridges" in the past 25 years? I'm sure your salary isn't the same it was 25 years ago right? If it is start hunting for a new job because your boss scam you big time.

AESP_pres · 02-16-2024, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OleDylano23

Actually it’s hit me so hard I can barely afford to live.

Believe me I understand... I'm retired so my earnings don't really follow the inflation, thankfully I live in a rent controlled apartment so my rent can't go higher than 25% of my annual earnings if it wasn't the case I wouldn't have much money to spend on extra considering how crazy the food prices are now.

Rain King · 02-16-2024, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OleDylano23

Actually it’s hit me so hard I can barely afford to live, just sucks seeing OOTP raise their price to $50 because that probably priced me out. Yeah I know I have more important things to worry about but OOTP has gotten me through a ton of tough times

The pre-sale price is $34.99

Syd Thrift · 02-16-2024, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

There are ways to ask about this issue without devolving into insults.

I do think they are being a bit over cautious on the issue.
Other titles in this genre use unlicensed leagues in their games and have done so for years or decades.

I imagine COM2US is just a very risk adverse company.
And the money to be made off this franchise is now tied up into PT and not the base sales of the game.

The licenses do not affect PT so little thought is given to them.

I am not sure of the exact history at this point, but it seems like the Japanese league may of brought up the issue and they overdid it a bit and deleted every nation and league that did not have an official license.

I think they only physically scrambled the Japanese league and that reeks heavily of "the lawyers say we have to do this". The consequences for Markus et al wouldn't have just been "being sued into oblivion", it would have been Com2Us shutting the game down entirely.

It sucks but that's what it is. FM had to renegotiate their deal with Japanese players; before this, their network of amateur scouts were not able to grade players in Japan's league system at all, not even by scrambling the names and pretending they were from South Africa or whatever (if memory serves the unofficial line was that they had ratings for Japanese players which they were able to use for comparison purposes only, like "oh, this guy on the Japanese WC team with 17 rated speed just got outrun in the World Cup by this other guy - we should give that guy an 18"). Japan as a country barely even cares about soccer; Konami is absolutely going to be a gigantic jerk about their national pastime and, frankly, Japanese IP laws are pretty dumb.

02-16-2024, 11:11 AM	#21
OleDylano23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2018 Location: St Louis Posts: 83	No, but they didn't have a problem raising the price of the game though.

02-16-2024, 06:07 PM	#30
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	There are ways to ask about this issue without devolving into insults. I do think they are being a bit over cautious on the issue. Other titles in this genre use unlicensed leagues in their games and have done so for years or decades. I imagine COM2US is just a very risk adverse company. And the money to be made off this franchise is now tied up into PT and not the base sales of the game. The licenses do not affect PT so little thought is given to them. I am not sure of the exact history at this point, but it seems like the Japanese league may of brought up the issue and they overdid it a bit and deleted every nation and league that did not have an official license.

02-16-2024, 06:33 PM	#31
ChrisJNelson Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 323 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	It's a bummer they're not in the game by default, but it's pretty easy to add them back in almost completely with just a few tweaks. As someone that plays controlling MLB teams in modern saves and simming well into the future, all I care about is the leagues existing to generate players. Real-life players would be cool but it's not a big deal when you're largely playing in a simulated future.

02-16-2024, 07:04 PM	#35
Cactusguy21 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 332	I know that getting the licensed leagues is difficult, but can you please please please consider having templates for some generic foreign leagues that have the same player creation modifiers but otherwise are totally fictional? This would allow those of us who like WBC in the game to still play it.