Initial Impressions Thread

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Statsman1

Speaking of scouting, I use a scouting accuracy setting that is not 100%, but the next tier down (very high, I believe).

In a new fictional league, the initial draft gets completed absolutely first. There is no time to do anything concrete - I cannot hire personnel (only submit offers), or anything else.

So, off to the draft. When drafting, I will occasionally use the scout’s recommendation, but I try to build my team a particular way (high actual ratings for some positions, high potential in others). So I draft, based on the OSA ratings. Then, after the draft is done, NOW whoever my scout is gets to look at my team and I get the reports in due time.

Invariably, and I mean EVERY TIME, the initial reports tell me that my highest rated players lose both potential and actual ratings like crazy. My 80 potentials become 70, my 70 potentials become 60 and my currents lose 10 points as well. It’s like my scout believes the OSA held the initial draft settings party at their local Hooters on Dollar Beer night.

Does anyone else see this? Is there a way to avoid this type of draft rating fiasco that I am not seeing?

This is an artifact of the way the game a. produces the draft itself and b. how it gets the draft to behave something like how it behaves IRL. The MLB draft is just not as reliable as the draft in other sports... in pretty much any other sport. Busts are pretty common as are booms. The only way you can really capture this is to either have scouting on draftable players wildly unreliable, which I think nobody wanted (although it's probably the most realistic option) or else do what the game does, which is make recent draftees very, very volatile.

If you want a more reliable draft, turn up development. Guys who develop into their potential tend not to lose it nearly as often.

[Statsman1]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

This is an artifact of the way the game a. produces the draft itself and b. how it gets the draft to behave something like how it behaves IRL. The MLB draft is just not as reliable as the draft in other sports... in pretty much any other sport. Busts are pretty common as are booms. The only way you can really capture this is to either have scouting on draftable players wildly unreliable, which I think nobody wanted (although it's probably the most realistic option) or else do what the game does, which is make recent draftees very, very volatile.

If you want a more reliable draft, turn up development. Guys who develop into their potential tend not to lose it nearly as often.

Thank you for the reply!

The volatility is exactly what makes the initial draft infuriating. Because of this, I feel like the Scouting Accuracy level (during setup) pertains ONLY to how your team’s scout will perform (on top of his ratings), and the OSA is...well, if you have a scout, I am not really sure what service they perform, perhaps a less accurate second opinion? The OSA is definitely not highly accurate at the initial draft.

I realize the ratings have to start somewhere. What I should do is create a league, and then after the draft is completed, go and see what happened to the entire upper echelon of draftees, not just my team.

What does NOT seem to happen, though, is the lower-rated guys get big boosts upon re-scouting. I cannot recall seeing a guy I drafted at potential X all of a sudden have a potential of X+10, no matter what X is (high or low).

I also guess that, if you skip the first year, then take over a team in the second year…maybe you get a better read on the upcoming draft, since the team you take over has a scout on staff, but by then, the base of the team has been built.

[RonCey10]

I saw this post after another gamer mentioned his pitcher disappeared in the game. I had adjusted the settings like Lukas mentioned in the post below. But still my pitcher disappeared on the mound.

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

In the settings > 3d and facegen, try to switch to the OpneGL mode: 'Use OpenGL in 3D only'.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by RonCey10

I saw this post after another gamer mentioned his pitcher disappeared in the game. I had adjusted the settings like Lukas mentioned in the post below. But still my pitcher disappeared on the mound.

You must have enabled the Use Ghost Players option …

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by RonCey10

I saw this post after another gamer mentioned his pitcher disappeared in the game. I had adjusted the settings like Lukas mentioned in the post below. But still my pitcher disappeared on the mound.

We've seen a few reports of this. Are you on patch 52?

Any details you can provide about the game situations you see this in, what your graphics settings are, if you've f.e. switched gameplay modes before seeing this (say from 3d to 2d or from classic to modern etc), are using any mods etc would be very helpful to us in debugging this. Thanks!

[bbgods]

Something wrong with injuries database. Nimmo on IL in each Live Start 24 and 24 Go even though he started the season on active roster and hasn’t been on the IL. All injured players say 0 (60) even if they are on the 10 or 15 day IL.

[vxm]

I brought this up last year and I still feel that there way too many infield hits in 3d. Does anybody else agree that it should be toned down?

[pstrickert]

ICYMI, vxm: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...9&postcount=14

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by vxm

I brought this up last year and I still feel that there way too many infield hits in 3d. Does anybody else agree that it should be toned down?

Only if we have data comparing OOTP and real life, that shows a problem, should anything be done.

There was discussion in last year's thread but, going back through it, a lack of much data. I think the best info we got was from Matt. Without data from users to show something different, I'm not sure what he's supposed to do?

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

There's different ways to calculate how correct we are, whether you look at IFH/GB or IFH/SI. Whenever I run the numbers, we tend to be a hare low if anything.

I think it's the sort of thing that you do tend to notice more often than not when playing out a game. Partly because our animations of infield hits are... not great. I think the 3 most common plays you see are slow rolling balls that the infielder has no real chance at, balls that are hit a little harder, that the infielder might take an extra fraction of a second to get to, and the runner just beats out at the base, or hard hit balls that get classified as infield hits because the fielder cuts it down, but if they didn't, it would get through them for more.

And in all 3 cases, those are like the 3 worst plays we handle in the 3d. The first case, it's really hard to get balls to get that sort of slow bounce that looks realistic. The second one is a timing issue, so trying to line up the ball getting to the fielder plus the fielder's throw to arrive just a hare slower than the batter getting to the base is just extra tricky. And the 3rd case we've only really "added" somewhat more recently, tend to kind of look like an error for us that gets called a hit.

They're all always on my list to improve, but because of how fast the plays run, they are the hardest ones to look correct. But whenever we run our internal tests, the numbers come out as expected. I have some test data, and it comes out to around 1650-1850 infield singles out of about 13000-14000 singles total, which is pretty close to MLB numbers which are 1746 infield hits in 12668 total singles this year (and has consistently been in around that range for the last few years now).

[Syd Thrift]

Yeah, although at times it feels like pitchers getting BABIPED to death can be aggravating, I don’t think this is any different from past years and, as Matt noted above, infield hits make up around 15% of all singles, which looks about right.

I do wish we had a wider, more track able array of stats to track like that though. You can scrape box scores but the DB export doesn’t even output Project Scoresheet style data for you to break this down yourself (which, even if it did, I might literally be the only person who’d use it so that may be asking too much). I’d love to see some kind of breakdown of infield hits, liners, popups, and so on for each individual batter and pitcher.

[Statsman1]

Originally Posted by vxm

I brought this up last year and I still feel that there way too many infield hits in 3d. Does anybody else agree that it should be toned down?

I mentioned this earlier...

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...68#post4999068

...and I read the post and respect what Matt has said about overall IF hit stats and their comparison to MLB.

What I noted, however, is that too many of them happened in a very small space of time (if you read my initial post)...and that the hitters getting them seemed very unlikely to be a part of 4 infield hits in a single inning.

I appreciate that overall, the stats might even out to fit the model over a season...but wow, early on, it feels like the game is getting the infield singles out of the way early.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Statsman1

I mentioned this earlier...

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...68#post4999068

...and I read the post and respect what Matt has said about overall IF hit stats and their comparison to MLB.

What I noted, however, is that too many of them happened in a very small space of time (if you read my initial post)...and that the hitters getting them seemed very unlikely to be a part of 4 infield hits in a single inning.

I appreciate that overall, the stats might even out to fit the model over a season...but wow, early on, it feels like the game is getting the infield singles out of the way early.

A couple of posts from last year's thread with real life stats. link: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...t=infield+hits

I watched this game live, it can and does happen.

Originally Posted by DCG12

In yesterday’s Red Sox/Cubs game ( 7/3/22) 6 of the Sox first 7 hits were of the true infield variety i.e. slow rollers or high choppers that the runner beat out.

And to finish in true OOTP style the Sox won with 2 out in the 11th when the pitcher fielded a little nubber in front of the plate and threw it down the right field line allowing 2 runs to score.

Originally Posted by Sweed

Also going into this game, according to the pbp team, 6 of the Cubs' last 11 hits were.... infield hits.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by Statsman1

I mentioned this earlier...

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...68#post4999068

...and I read the post and respect what Matt has said about overall IF hit stats and their comparison to MLB.

What I noted, however, is that too many of them happened in a very small space of time (if you read my initial post)...and that the hitters getting them seemed very unlikely to be a part of 4 infield hits in a single inning.

I appreciate that overall, the stats might even out to fit the model over a season...but wow, early on, it feels like the game is getting the infield singles out of the way early.

That's just luck of the draw. It's also realistic as the first month or so can produce some extreme results.

I'd think the game was broken myself if after 13 games I never lost and had a run differential of +71.

[Pacoheadley]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Trading frequency is still a customizable setting.

If you feel like the trading frequency is too high on normal, there's no reason to treat that like a bug that makes the game unplayable. Just turn turn the frequency down a notch or two and things should be much more to your liking.

Yea I totally understand this, but going into a league at release I don't know about these issues ahead of time. Such as OOTP 23 and releasing too many RPs. Stuff like that can kill a league if I don't notice the issue ahead of time. It's usually fine after a couple patches so I try not to get really into it until I know these things are taken care of.

[Cactusguy21]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Trading frequency is still a customizable setting.

If you feel like the trading frequency is too high on normal, there's no reason to treat that like a bug that makes the game unplayable. Just turn turn the frequency down a notch or two and things should be much more to your liking.

The problem is that this seems to drastically reduce the number of offers you get during the dynamic deadline (which is already far, far too few as is). The Dynamic deadline should have a ton of offers thrown at you, not just a few teams trying to unload an old guy on a big deal.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by Braden

It would be nice to see some historical options for those who like to actually play the games using Mike Silva's excellent historical parks, few that there may be. Options like choice of using, or not using, batting helmet, choice of modern or historical catcher's gear, including mask, ability to use the same uniform number for different players on the same team for those who like to play 'best team' type games which may have players with the same number but from a different era, the ability to modify the short PbP, so it is more realist in the voice mode.



I understand that the Perfect Team is the moneymaker but throwing historical season players a bone would be a nice improvement.

All excellent suggestion for historical adds to 3D

I would add customizable stirrups/socks template


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[locuspc]

I do wish infield hit rate was customizable, to help people who think it's too high, or to adjust it to simulate things like this season's larger bases.

[Pelican]

Probably still too small a sample of games played for me to comment on IF hits. Yesterday had one with a slowish runner on a high chop (graphic) that I had not seen before. Neat. In the past I have wondered if the play result depends in part on the speed of the hitter out of the box. I say that because some really slow guys somehow beat out IF hits. But that could be due to balls hit in the hole that make difficult plays - and/or IF with rag arms. Not complaining at this point.

[Bobbyraz49]

Originally Posted by RonCey10

I saw this post after another gamer mentioned his pitcher disappeared in the game. I had adjusted the settings like Lukas mentioned in the post below. But still my pitcher disappeared on the mound.

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This is my biggest issue with this version. I play as GM/Mgr of the 2023 Cards. I've had times where the entire outfield was invisible. Lukas made a few suggestions, but they didn't work. I even turned the visible crowd off.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Probably still too small a sample of games played for me to comment on IF hits. Yesterday had one with a slowish runner on a high chop (graphic) that I had not seen before. Neat. In the past I have wondered if the play result depends in part on the speed of the hitter out of the box. I say that because some really slow guys somehow beat out IF hits. But that could be due to balls hit in the hole that make difficult plays - and/or IF with rag arms. Not complaining at this point.

It does not help that the speed rating in the game has nothing to do with a players actual speed.