Takes you out of the moment

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by fuzzy_patters

Why do you assume that you’re the open-minded one?

Ok, so here we go. What you just replied was, at a minimum, a backhanded-slam on me. No other way to take it.

Nothing in what I wrote suggests I'm saying I'm open-minded. What I wrote was, to properly assess a discussion/debate/whatevs between folks you gotsta leave your prejudice at the door.

Try to pretend you know nothing at all about the subject..then analyze the conversation. See who is actually being the dismissive one and who isn't. Maybe both parties are. Maybe some are pretending to be experts and aren't. Maybe there is a hidden agenda. If you read enough and can deduce patterns..you might see that agenda start to materialize. I dunno..maybe not

One thing for sure..if you're a fan-boy you're going to assume the critic of the game is the "evil" one. IMO.

[BaseballGOAT]

So it's open minded to not even consider that a pitcher being traded from one of the best teams to a rebuilding team with average at best defense and a suspect (in real life at least, since I don't know what other changes you've made) not even to mention the difference in ballparks is going to have some stats going the wrong way? And here's another morsel to chew on... was Ferguson on the Dodgers roster? Or was he in OKC? Ferguson is a fairly well rated reliever. True he's not in the Dodgers top 30 usually in the game... but that is more about the way the game engine has bias against relievers for the most part outside of the highest of high end closers. Don't take my word... look at all top 30 lists and tell me how many true non closing relievers you find. Now back to my reason for asking if he was in the minors,, look at the league numbers in real life for the PCL... it's easily one of the most hitter friendly leagues in all of North American baseball. This would be one of the extremely rare times where moving to Wrigley field would actually be an environmental change in a pitcher's favor. I really feel like either you have an agenda against this game or you're blind to the big picture of all the elements in play when it comes to stats engine. There is more than just a player's rating. If I remember correctly, the editor even states that the stats the ratings are supposed to average out to are based on a neutral environment. Once you begin playing the season, that environment is no longer neutral due things like park factors, injuries and etc. Please tell me that makes sense to you?

[BaseballGOAT]

Another thing, when I step into discussions on the Ootp engine... I stay away from conversations I don't have some experience with. Couple years back, I was serious concerns and issues with the aging and development engine. I ran thousands of MLB test seasons that year and hundreds every year since. Thats what it took for me to find what I consider the sweet spot for those settings. So I do in fact feel like I've been able to see a considerable amount of the big picture to get out of the game what I want. Yet, there are outliers in every league I run for enjoyment, not just testing. That's the nature of the game of baseball. There are so many variables in play just like with Ootp.

Personal note, I'm truly sorry you feel I insulted your intelligence. I was not. I do in fact feel like you have an agenda or you're just obsessed with small details that you're not seeing the forest for the trees. Baseball is full of statistical outliers, so Ootp must mirror that as well to be a true picture of this grand game

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

So it's open minded to not even consider that a pitcher being traded from one of the best teams to a rebuilding team with average at best defense and a suspect (in real life at least, since I don't know what other changes you've made) not even to mention the difference in ballparks is going to have some stats going the wrong way? And here's another morsel to chew on... was Ferguson on the Dodgers roster? Or was he in OKC? Ferguson is a fairly well rated reliever. True he's not in the Dodgers top 30 usually in the game... but that is more about the way the game engine has bias against relievers for the most part outside of the highest of high end closers. Don't take my word... look at all top 30 lists and tell me how many true non closing relievers you find. Now back to my reason for asking if he was in the minors,, look at the league numbers in real life for the PCL... it's easily one of the most hitter friendly leagues in all of North American baseball. This would be one of the extremely rare times where moving to Wrigley field would actually be an environmental change in a pitcher's favor. I really feel like either you have an agenda against this game or you're blind to the big picture of all the elements in play when it comes to stats engine. There is more than just a player's rating. If I remember correctly, the editor even states that the stats the ratings are supposed to average out to are based on a neutral environment. Once you begin playing the season, that environment is no longer neutral due things like park factors, injuries and etc. Please tell me that makes sense to you?

You said a lot right there. Let's go through it. The trade itself is just one of many outlandish (IMO) scenarios that have plagued my experience with the 2023 version of this game. And, I believe I didn't even pick it up until late July. So, I'm less than a month into this gyration and done with it for this year.

But, let's just stay on point with this trade and what you just said.

Looks like player for player the Cubs defense is slightly better than Dodgers. Freeman is higher rated than Schwindel. But Gnomes is much higher rated than Willson's brother. Hoerner much higher rated than Trea Turner. Brennan Davis rated exactly the same as Betts at RF. It's pretty much a wash, but you go ahead and do your research. So, your defense factor carries no weight..as far as OOTP's ratings go. In fact, the Cubs straight across the board are slightly higher rated.

This I learned early in life..before throwing assumptions out there as an argument..make sure you do your research FIRST. Cubs might be "an average at best" defense in real life (I doubt if I would say that, but I'm a fan), but based on OOTP ratings they are better than average and at least as good as the Dodgers.

Both Cubs and Dodgers are in the top 10 Ballpark factors - highest runs. Cubs 3rd..Dodgers 9th out of 30 teams. Not a whole lot separating them..do you agree?

TBH, I really don't believe minor league ballpark factors mean anything in OOTP but I'll play this game with you.

OK City's ballpark effect is actually lower than 1/2 the teams in the International League at 101. Charlotte being at 127 in the IL.

And, no offense, I really can't understand your point about reliever ratings. This thing about top 30 lists and undervalued relievers and all that. It "sounds" like what you're suggesting is ratings of relievers are relative to park factors? I'm sure that can't really be what you mean. That player ratings (not stats) are based on environmental effects? Ferguson had a 2/3 star rating. How that maps out in your line of questioning only you can answer.

His Stuff now is 80 (pretty good) his movement 45 his control 45. Not what you would typically expect the best reliever on your team to be. Yet in 64 innings with the Cubbies he's got a 1.12 ERA, 38 hits allowed, 2.3 WAR, 12.3 K's/9, 2.9 BB/9.

On to Gonsolin. When I traded for him his ERA was 1.63 through 18 games with LA and he had a 12-1 record. He finished the 2022 Cubs season with a 2.65 ERA and a 4-4 record. I get the 4-4 record with a bad team, 59-103 Cubs for 2022..but not the ERA when defenses and ballpark ratings are very similar. But it can happen..shouldn't be the norm I see with just about every player that switched teams..but whatever.

In 2023 with the Cubs now having a 38-30 record (yeah, I know, quite a turnaround that..chalk that up to manager genius) Gonsolin has a 4.48 ERA with a 5-4 record. I'm assuming OOTP figures in Lake effect and that's why Gonsolin has just wilted in that Chi-town humidity? Maybe..what do you think?


BTW, Contreras was dropped over 100 points in his BA after going to LA. .281 with 17 HR's when I traded him. .179 through 140 AB with zero HR to finish 2022 off with LA. Dodgers really took a screwin' there didn't they? Must have been that ballpark effect, huh?

I can produce all these numbers with screenshots.

But, again, what Gonsolin, Ferguson, and Contreras has done after the trade isn't even my biggest complaint. Albeit, it would be a lot of customers.

It's the entire package topped off by the Diaz fiasco. Just isn't real in my sense of real. You can't take that away from me with all of the rationalizing and defending of the game you want.

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Personal note, I'm truly sorry you feel I insulted your intelligence. I was not. I do in fact feel like you have an agenda or you're just obsessed with small details that you're not seeing the forest for the trees. Baseball is full of statistical outliers, so Ootp must mirror that as well to be a true picture of this grand game

Thanks. Yeah, if you don't stick with your convictions until someone actually, and unequivocally proves you wrong..you didn't really have convictions to begin with. Something much more lukewarm and milksop.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by dcordash

You said a lot right there. Let's go through it. The trade itself is just one of many outlandish (IMO) scenarios that have plagued my experience with the 2023 version of this game. And, I believe I didn't even pick it up until late July. So, I'm less than a month into this gyration and done with it for this year.

But, let's just stay on point with this trade and what you just said.

Looks like player for player the Cubs defense is slightly better than Dodgers. Freeman is higher rated than Schwindel. But Gnomes is much higher rated than Willson's brother. Hoerner much higher rated than Trea Turner. Brennan Davis rated exactly the same as Betts at RF. It's pretty much a wash, but you go ahead and do your research. So, your defense factor carries no weight..as far as OOTP's ratings go. In fact, the Cubs straight across the board are slightly higher rated.

This I learned early in life..before throwing assumptions out there as an argument..make sure you do your research FIRST. Cubs might be "an average at best" defense in real life (I doubt if I would say that, but I'm a fan), but based on OOTP ratings they are better than average and at least as good as the Dodgers.

Both Cubs and Dodgers are in the top 10 Ballpark factors - highest runs. Cubs 3rd..Dodgers 9th out of 30 teams. Not a whole lot separating them..do you agree?

TBH, I really don't believe minor league ballpark factors mean anything in OOTP but I'll play this game with you.

OK City's ballpark effect is actually lower than 1/2 the teams in the International League at 101. Charlotte being at 127 in the IL.

And, no offense, I really can't understand your point about reliever ratings. This thing about top 30 lists and undervalued relievers and all that. It "sounds" like what you're suggesting is ratings of relievers are relative to park factors? I'm sure that can't really be what you mean. That player ratings (not stats) are based on environmental effects? Ferguson had a 2/3 star rating. How that maps out in your line of questioning only you can answer.

His Stuff now is 80 (pretty good) his movement 45 his control 45. Not what you would typically expect the best reliever on your team to be. Yet in 64 innings with the Cubbies he's got a 1.12 ERA, 38 hits allowed, 2.3 WAR, 12.3 K's/9, 2.9 BB/9.

On to Gonsolin. When I traded for him his ERA was 1.63 through 18 games with LA and he had a 12-1 record. He finished the 2022 Cubs season with a 2.65 ERA and a 4-4 record. I get the 4-4 record with a bad team, 59-103 Cubs for 2022..but not the ERA when defenses and ballpark ratings are very similar. But it can happen..shouldn't be the norm I see with just about every player that switched teams..but whatever.

In 2023 with the Cubs now having a 38-30 record (yeah, I know, quite a turnaround that..chalk that up to manager genius) Gonsolin has a 4.48 ERA with a 5-4 record. I'm assuming OOTP figures in Lake effect and that's why Gonsolin has just wilted in that Chi-town humidity? Maybe..what do you think?


BTW, Contreras was dropped over 100 points in his BA after going to LA. .281 with 17 HR's when I traded him. .179 through 140 AB with zero HR to finish 2022 off with LA. Dodgers really took a screwin' there didn't they? Must have been that ballpark effect, huh?

I can produce all these numbers with screenshots.

But, again, what Gonsolin, Ferguson, and Contreras has done after the trade isn't even my biggest complaint. Albeit, it would be a lot of customers.

It's the entire package topped off by the Diaz fiasco. Just isn't real in my sense of real. You can't take that away from me with all of the rationalizing and defending of the game you want.

Not sure where you came to the theory about what I supposedly said about relievers ratings. I said the game doesn't value them like starters and closers. I'd guess that well over 90% of pitching prospects in all 30 top 30 prospects lists are SP prospects. And that another 90% of the remaining relievers are going to be closers. Pitchers projected to be a true middle reliever or setup man... meaning 35 endurance or less almost never get ranked in the top 30 lists in Ootp or in real life. To which all that is saying that no matter how good Fergusons ratings could be... he's most likely never going to be a top 30 prospect. That said, I've rarely seem him fail in a sim... he regularly is an all star caliber player and some one I frequently target in trades because there are not many seasons where he's not a valuable bullpen piece. Ootp has always had certain players that routinely do well in sims... Anyone that's been around a while will remember when Ootp first started having real players in the draft, Seth Beer while he was still at Clemson was an Ootp God for a couple years.

For the ballpark factors, the difference between 3 and 9 is a lot more than you might think when you consider how tightly bunched some ballparks are.
For the PCL, yes while OKC is not a lot different than the IL... it is the outlier and Ferguson would play half his games on the road in places like Reno, Salt Lake and Albuquerque and yes those park factors are baked into the ballparks for realism.

Did I make an assumption about your Cubs team? Guilty as charged because without seeing your saved game. . I tried to share some of what I've seen over the years to cause statistical outliers.

You dont have to worry about that again... my intention was to raise your awareness on what to look for to help you enjoy your Ootp experience more. That's what this board used to be about.. now when you try and help someone it seems more times than not they get offended and get defensive because you didn't just agree with their crying. I blame participation trophies for the manner in which people deal with any criticism. So now I'm done trying to give any advise and could care less if you find any enjoyment from this game ever again.

Feel free to not respond because I'm definitely done with this conversation, and to be fair any thread you post in. Just wish there was an ignore user feature for this forum so you'd be gone from my Ootp experience.

[dcordash]

First, thanks for trying to help. And please, don't take this as any indictment on your approach. I'm sure you are a decent person with great intentions. But, I was never asking for help or advice.

I never-ever said I don't understand this game because of this and this..please help me out. Wasn't asking for advice..I've been playing this game for a decade or better. Because that has never-ever been my thing. I'm pretty sure anything short of a rewrite by the development staff isn't going to address my concerns. That's just my opinion and not intended to be the opinion of forums.ootpdevelopments.com

I haven't really gotten much advice from most out here. Basically, just you're wrong because we say so. And that's fine..likely the same thing could be said about me. I really don't care.

The only reason I ever replied to you is because you, basically, wrote a reply to my post that everything I said was wrong and I was totally mistaken because of your own personal rationale that ya still haven't backed up with anything more than conjecture. No more..no less than my allegations.

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Not sure where you came to the theory about what I supposedly said about relievers ratings.

Again, no offense, but it seems like every time I write something another will post a reply rewording..or making what I said sound so much more "sinister" for lack of a better word.

Read it again, mon ami. "And, no offense, I really can't understand your point about reliever ratings". What you just typed when quoting me.."Theory, and supposedly said" does not mean "I really can't understand".

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

For the ballpark factors, the difference between 3 and 9 is a lot more than you might think when you consider how tightly bunched some ballparks are.

No, I do not agree with that as it relates to the significantly ballooned ERA.. Gonsolin..and the significantly reduced BA/HR..Contreras. No way..no how..no sir. We ain't talking Coors Field..we're talking Wrigley Field where the wind may be blowing in as much as out.

Ain't no good guys..ain't no bad guys..it's just you and me and we just disagree.

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Feel free to not respond because I'm definitely done with this conversation, and to be fair any thread you post in. Just wish there was an ignore user feature for this forum so you'd be gone from my Ootp experience.

"Feel free to not respond"?? Who is the real Richard Cranium in this exchange? Ain't me.

I believe you were just taking shots at me, not trying to help. That's my opinion.

C'mon man. If you're 12 or 13 and don't know better that's one thing. But, let me know and I will forever not respond to you again. I, for sure, am not going to get in a debate with the young/impressionable or the weak of mind. It's not worth either of our time.

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

To which all that is saying that no matter how good Fergusons ratings could be... he's most likely never going to be a top 30 prospect. That said, I've rarely seem him fail in a sim... he regularly is an all star caliber player and some one I frequently target in trades because there are not many seasons where he's not a valuable bullpen piece. Ootp has always had certain players that routinely do well in sims... Anyone that's been around a while will remember when Ootp first started having real players in the draft, Seth Beer while he was still at Clemson was an Ootp God for a couple years.

Hey, I actually do have to ask you for some advice because I just noticed this passage. What do you mean about Ferguson never failing in a sim and some one you frequently target in trades? Just curious.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by dcordash

First, thanks for trying to help. And please, don't take this as any indictment on your approach. I'm sure you are a decent person with great intentions. But, I was never asking for help or advice.

I never-ever said I don't understand this game because of this and this..please help me out. Wasn't asking for advice..I've been playing this game for a decade or better. Because that has never-ever been my thing. I'm pretty sure anything short of a rewrite by the development staff isn't going to address my concerns. That's just my opinion and not intended to be the opinion of forums.ootpdevelopments.com

I haven't really gotten much advice from most out here. Basically, just you're wrong because we say so. And that's fine..likely the same thing could be said about me. I really don't care.

The only reason I ever replied to you is because you, basically, wrote a reply to my post that everything I said was wrong and I was totally mistaken because of your own personal rationale that ya still haven't backed up with anything more than conjecture. No more..no less than my allegations.


Again, no offense, but it seems like every time I write something another will post a reply rewording..or making what I said sound so much more "sinister" for lack of a better word.

Read it again, mon ami. "And, no offense, I really can't understand your point about reliever ratings". What you just typed when quoting me.."Theory, and supposedly said" does not mean "I really can't understand".



No, I do not agree with that as it relates to the significantly ballooned ERA.. Gonsolin..and the significantly reduced BA/HR..Contreras. No way..no how..no sir. We ain't talking Coors Field..we're talking Wrigley Field where the wind may be blowing in as much as out.

Ain't no good guys..ain't no bad guys..it's just you and me and we just disagree.

Maybe Gonsolin simply isn't as good as his previous record showed? (or at least not rated as highly) That would also explain why LAD was more willing to part with him.

I mean, if you trade for someone who's 12-1 with a 1.65 ERA, I would certainly expect him to do worse going forward unless if he's like deGrom. Jumping up to a 4.48 ERA the next year is aggressive, true, but what are his other metrics like? Sounds like you're not even half way through that season, so a huge ERA could just be a couple bad games, or some bad HR luck, or even just getting really unlucky with runners scoring. I'd be looking at all those numbers before even starting to dig into park factors or team D.

For Ferguson, a reliever doing fantastic in limited action is certainly far from unexpected.

I mean, if you want to "prove" that the stats engine isn't out to get you, go into the editor, change Gonsolin to max ratings in every category, and see him strike out 25 batters a game and win every one of his starts because he never gives up a run.

[quillenl]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Feel free to not respond because I'm definitely done with this conversation, and to be fair any thread you post in. Just wish there was an ignore user feature for this forum so you'd be gone from my Ootp experience.

There is, forgot about it... but would expect it still works.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by quillenl

There is, forgot about it... but would expect it still works.

Greatly appreciate that bit of knowledge! Made my day

[Syd Thrift]

Just as an aside here...

1. I suspect that dcordash is in the cohort that was handing out participation trophies, not receiving them.

2. Speaking as Gen Xer, we never asked for those things, and neither did millennials and Zoomers. Those were never really anything but boomers' desires to feel special through their kids, and while I do think there is a lot of pride to be had just in finishing a tough challenge regardless of if you win or not, the entitlement here is from the generation that started in with protests in the 60s and early 70s but then forgot what that was all about by the 1980s.

Anyway, to the original point, I agree that it is maddening when people respond to stats with more anecdotes. I really do try to keep my mind open when newer posters come in with stuff (and I'm fairly active on OOTP Reddit, too, which has a completely different group of users who also trend a lot younger than these boards do) but maaan, a lot of this reminds me of my days doing customer service for cell phones where 15 straight people would call in with the exact same question and I'd have to sit back and remind myself that this is the first time I'm answering the question for *them*. That does not of course excuse the doubling down, the willful ignorance, and the Main Character Syndrome we're getting from this one particular thread.

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Maybe Gonsolin simply isn't as good as his previous record showed? (or at least not rated as highly) That would also explain why LAD was more willing to part with him.

I mean, if you trade for someone who's 12-1 with a 1.65 ERA, I would certainly expect him to do worse going forward unless if he's like deGrom. Jumping up to a 4.48 ERA the next year is aggressive, true, but what are his other metrics like? Sounds like you're not even half way through that season, so a huge ERA could just be a couple bad games, or some bad HR luck, or even just getting really unlucky with runners scoring. I'd be looking at all those numbers before even starting to dig into park factors or team D.

For Ferguson, a reliever doing fantastic in limited action is certainly far from unexpected.

I mean, if you want to "prove" that the stats engine isn't out to get you, go into the editor, change Gonsolin to max ratings in every category, and see him strike out 25 batters a game and win every one of his starts because he never gives up a run.

I can't argue with one bit of those bytes. But, I bounced this off a couple of my fantasy baseball boyz over a couple suds at the watering hole last night. They were really perplexed, as I was, that EVERYONE in that trade showed DRASTIC changes in history. That's 100% of 3 players.

Maybe my boyz are not as brilliant about baseball as the SABR folks that like to throw the algorithms around, but they seem to hold their own in the ranks of FB where predictions, expectations, gut, and seeing patterns is paramount. One is a bookie and his livelihood is based on setting lines and prognostication. Maybe it's not science, but gambling generates a lot more revenues that science.

They just gave their blue-collar guy-on-the-street opinion w/o any prejudices. They thought it pretty peculiar.

And, as I keep saying as ppl keep putting words in my mouth. I HAVE NEVER ONCE SAID ANYTHING IS OUT TO GET ME, THERE IS AN OOTP CONSPIRACY AGAINST DCORDASH, I HEAR VOICES, OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

My point has always been the normal, typical, garden-variety anyone seeing the things I have would have. THE CODE IN THE GAME DOES NOT ALWAYS FULFILL CUSTOMER EXPECTATIONS. That's it, and there goes the nature of code written by folks. Folks ain't perfect and their code isn't always..so I'm pretty confident that's not a vindictive nor unusual line of thought.

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Just as an aside here...

1. I suspect that dcordash is in the cohort that was handing out participation trophies, not receiving them.

2. Speaking as Gen Xer, we never asked for those things, and neither did millennials and Zoomers. Those were never really anything but boomers' desires to feel special through their kids, and while I do think there is a lot of pride to be had just in finishing a tough challenge regardless of if you win or not, the entitlement here is from the generation that started in with protests in the 60s and early 70s but then forgot what that was all about by the 1980s.

Anyway, to the original point, I agree that it is maddening when people respond to stats with more anecdotes. I really do try to keep my mind open when newer posters come in with stuff (and I'm fairly active on OOTP Reddit, too, which has a completely different group of users who also trend a lot younger than these boards do) but maaan, a lot of this reminds me of my days doing customer service for cell phones where 15 straight people would call in with the exact same question and I'd have to sit back and remind myself that this is the first time I'm answering the question for *them*. That does not of course excuse the doubling down, the willful ignorance, and the Main Character Syndrome we're getting from this one particular thread.

You would be wrong about the participation trophies. I coached high school soccer for 16 years. Inherited a 4-14 team, went 10-8 the next season and finished over .500 every single season after that. Best "sports record" in the history of the high school. I drove my players like freakin' dogs. I ran 'em, I yelled, I screamed, everything was earned by sweat and effort. I would love to have a couple of you on one of my teams so you can see me in action. You would understand there ain't no trophies comin' your way. Maybe some attaboys if you do it right.

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Just as an aside here...

1. I suspect that dcordash is in the cohort that was handing out participation trophies, not receiving them.

2. Speaking as Gen Xer, we never asked for those things, and neither did millennials and Zoomers. Those were never really anything but boomers' desires to feel special through their kids, and while I do think there is a lot of pride to be had just in finishing a tough challenge regardless of if you win or not, the entitlement here is from the generation that started in with protests in the 60s and early 70s but then forgot what that was all about by the 1980s.

Anyway, to the original point, I agree that it is maddening when people respond to stats with more anecdotes. I really do try to keep my mind open when newer posters come in with stuff (and I'm fairly active on OOTP Reddit, too, which has a completely different group of users who also trend a lot younger than these boards do) but maaan, a lot of this reminds me of my days doing customer service for cell phones where 15 straight people would call in with the exact same question and I'd have to sit back and remind myself that this is the first time I'm answering the question for *them*. That does not of course excuse the doubling down, the willful ignorance, and the Main Character Syndrome we're getting from this one particular thread.

And, don't get into philosophical banter about generations and characteristics because this ain't the place. I would love to have these discussions with you somewhere where I could slice and dice though. Because I could and would. Not here though..we're talking about the fun of baseball games. Let's keep it there. Shall we pal?

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I mean, if you want to "prove" that the stats engine isn't out to get you, go into the editor, change Gonsolin to max ratings in every category, and see him strike out 25 batters a game and win every one of his starts because he never gives up a run.

C'mon Matt. From one programmer to another that's like comparing apples and oranges isn't it? Who knows how max ratings work. Perhaps you, I dunno. But, I'm pretty sure it's not a fair assessment of how a normal setup (whatever that happens to be and I will surely never know because no one seems to be able to pin it down out here) scales to a max-setting.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not going to do that though, because it wouldn't begin to answer the questions I've thrown out here that everyone just says "that's how it should work..your're wrong..shut up"

And, because I can't emphasize this enough, for you to keep saying "it's out to get you" is a little silly..right? You understand I don't feel that way nor does any critic of elements of this game. And I ain't the first.

Please say you understand that. Matt, please, you're the one (at least according to your profile moniker) that at least participates in getting this game to market..I want to know you are just joshing everyone out here for whatever reason.

Because to make such a oddball and strange assumption would scare me even more about this game that such personalities are involved in its creation.

It's ok for a customer to go off the rails, but we expect the developers to have a higher standard. And I say that with all respect. Once again, thanks for your words of wisdom.

[DJ_Jak_32]

Originally Posted by dcordash

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not going to do that though, because it wouldn't begin to answer the questions I've thrown out here that everyone just says "that's how it should work..your're wrong..shut up"

Translation "I am not going to do that because it is going to show everyone how wrong I have been and my fragile ego cannot take that blow"

[HoustonGM]

It is beyond clear at this point that this is an elaborate troll.

[dcordash]

Originally Posted by DJ_Jak_32

Translation "I am not going to do that because it is going to show everyone how wrong I have been and my fragile ego cannot take that blow"

Well,