New Save Advice

[PSUColonel]

I know we have had the discussions about the many discrepencies in the international and independent leagues, but I am looking to solicit opinion on whether people think it's worth enabling them.

The leagues that are supposed to be relagation leagues aren't setup properly to reflect this. (Italian & Czech leagues) Also, the financial settings for international players appear to be all over the map also. There are just a lot of very questionable things going on as far as setups are concerned, and I am wondering (in light of this) if people think it's a good idea to use all of the international/independent leagues.

I don't want to go 12 rounds over why these things don't appear to be correct, but they don't, and this has been the case for some many versions now. My computer is powerful enough to run al of the leagues with no problem at all, so I am not concerned about processing speed or storage...I just don't want a situation in the future where things don't work realistically and have the potential to ruin a save.

Any thoughts? As if now I am changing these settings to reflect what I think SHOULD be, but as we have said in other thread, none of us seem to really have a good understanding of why things are being done the way they are. (oversight, on purpose etc...)

[PSUColonel]

Do people think the rule : “ the longer you want your save to go into the future, the smaller in size it should be”?

Again I’m not saying this for lack of computer power, but rather the possibility that the amount of rules and options associated with each additional league beyond MLB creates chaos and/or problems down the road. The truth is I would like to enable all of the leagues IF I can be guaranteed they will all function well into the future. This is to me what is becoming the largest issue with OOTP is a total lack of knowledge of how the game will perform. I do NOT want to have to start a league, then start it again due to unforeseen issues and then rinse , and repeat from here to kingdom come.

[BBGiovanni]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Do people think the rule : “ the longer you want your save to go into the future, the smaller in size it should be”?

Again I’m not saying this for lack of computer power, but rather the possibility that the amount of rules and options associated with each additional league beyond MLB creates chaos and/or problems down the road. The truth is I would like to enable all of the leagues IF I can be guaranteed they will all function well into the future. This is to me what is becoming the largest issue with OOTP is a total lack of knowledge of how the game will perform. I do NOT want to have to start a league, then start it again due to unforeseen issues and then rinse , and repeat from here to kingdom come.

I'm kind of a simpleton, but I use an old machine so I try to err on the side of less is more, And the general idea that every additional league/feature adds chances for staristical faults. I'd like to use feeders, for instance, but I don't.And even wih this care my longer saves end up with huge free agent lists or whatever.

I understand your wish that everything was exactly accurate, but it isn't, so try to tailor your game to your play. If you aren't going to play in the Italian or Czech leagues, you probably won't ever notice that the P/R doesn't work, you could just delete the B leagues and their players. Those players couldn't cut it in the Frontier League and they won't make WBC teams any better.

To my mind it's not that different than having to change player ratings that are wrong, I don't think Logan Webb is really a selfish spoilsport, so I fix that. And Luis Guillorme's citizenship, or position ratings that are bungled. It's a huge universe and database, stuff happens, and if you can change ratings and settings to make the parts important to you more accurate, you should.

[Sweed]

I barely look at the details of my MiLB leagues. Leagues from around the world? No. Part of that is I am only interested in playing an MLB game. A smaller part of that is me wondering about problems with the other leagues. Specifically how they send players to my MLB world or, sign players, coaches, etc. from my MLB world. It's a can of worms I don't want to open.

If I was told it all worked perfectly I still probably wouldn't try. There's just not much interest on my part. I just don't think baseball is a connected sport worldwide like soccer. In FM having a lot of leagues makes sense to me. Baseball? No, not so much.

Not based on save size but, yeah a little bit on my game is a long term venture that I don't want to have something screw up. I've played my game since v4 and imported all the way to v23. If\when I make any changes I of course make a backup but, also I am already pretty sure, whatever I'm doing
is going to work.

[willboat75]

I am in the process of creating a world with every league big enough to have its own Wikipedia page.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=543944231

Here's what I have planned for it. I'm in the process of gathering jerseys/logos and such for it to be graphically correct. I've also spent tons of time looking over Spanish league constitutions to get the rules correct. Everything in green is finished with the kits and rules set. The yellow means that I need to get kits from the AIO (kind of waiting for the update).

I'm curious to see what you think about it, PSU. I kind of waffle between just MLB/***/KBO for saves and the whole shabang. I want this save to last a while, too. I wish that I had a more powerful computer, but if I did I'd probably add accurate feeders.

I think the big thing I'll need to look at are the foreign PCMs and financials. I have the Caribbean Leagues set up as tournaments, so they won't generate free agents. I wish I could add the Caribbean Series or European Cup, but the functionality and tracking just isn't there for associations. Anyways, this has taken me like two weeks to get this far.

[BBGiovanni]

Originally Posted by willboat75

I am in the process of creating a world with every league big enough to have its own Wikipedia page.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=543944231

Here's what I have planned for it.

Originally Posted by willboat75

Anyways, this has taken me like two weeks to get this far.

I bet! Good luck! Are you doing all the rosters for all these leagues, or just auto-generating stuff? These days I like to add the Serie del Caribe winter leagues as regular leagues (and move all the DSL teams to their own league). I heartily recommend you develop your own PCMs rather than rely on the ones for the international leagues. Even if you just copy them around (say using the CPBL stats for the Italian league etc.) I think it will help your immersion.

When you get around to playing, post something about it, it would be interesting to see!

[willboat75]

So, I'm thinking about making a post just about associations/winter leagues/tournaments etc. The execution of those aspects of the game are really lacking. I feel like making the Caribbean Series a functional, included at launch aspect of the game would be super cool, and would set OOTP farther apart from the Show, and closer to FM.

Because of the issues with winter leagues and such, I'm not going to do accurate rosters because that would take far too much time, and I don't really care. I just like having the leagues. The most that I'm doing is affiliating the leagues' teams with certain MLB/***/KBO teams so that those players will return to their winter league team more often.

In the future I hope we can have more included realism. I think that we should have the option to automatically transfer real college draft pool players to feeder colleges without having to manually do it. That's what is pushing me away from including feeders.

I think that the peripheral league functionality is the next big step in this game. It's extremely possible given current technology, and what we already see in game.

[willboat75]

Originally Posted by BBGiovanni

When you get around to playing, post something about it, it would be interesting to see!

I will make a post when I'm done, whenever that is. I'm waiting for the real MLB Draft CSV to release, as well as Nutt's AIO 1.4 so that I'm up to date on jerseys.

Should I save my current file as template and relaunch it for the next patch? that's something I'm debating, too.

[Syd Thrift]

I have international leagues but just noticed a few real time weeks ago that the Japanese league I have (for a league created in 22) didn’t use Japanese players in its draft pool. OOPS but I guess that also says how much attention I pay to international leagues…

[BBGiovanni]

Originally Posted by willboat75

I will make a post when I'm done, whenever that is. I'm waiting for the real MLB Draft CSV to release, as well as Nutt's AIO 1.4 so that I'm up to date on jerseys.

Should I save my current file as template and relaunch it for the next patch? that's something I'm debating, too.

It would probably be a good idea just in case you want to re-start it for some reason!

[PSUColonel]

Hopefully now that Lukas is back from vacation he might be able to answer some of these questions. Sorry Lukas if I blew you're cover!

[BarneyRubble]

I've run ALL leagues (plus some) many times. Over time, the size of the DB becomes rather large. You can purge it if need be. It is possible you can mess up the DB by purging it, I've seen me do it. So make sure you have a backup.

[willboat75]

I think I should be okay in terms of players. I didn't increase the player pool because I didn't create any leagues that create permanent players. I only made leagues and tournaments that will pull from the existing player pool

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11Ql...ew?usp=sharing

That's the completed template right now for anyone who wants it. Still waiting on some stuff for the full quickstart.

[mitchkenn]

Originally Posted by BarneyRubble

I've run ALL leagues (plus some) many times. Over time, the size of the DB becomes rather large. You can purge it if need be. It is possible you can mess up the DB by purging it, I've seen me do it. So make sure you have a backup.

i haven't purged anything since V 17. what i found out, yes it reduced the size of my league nicely, but it also changed the player ID numbers - so (for example) i have Carl Hubble in my HOF as player #1456 (number is just an example.) After The purge, that number goes to some other player. So when i click on Carl Hubble in my HOF room, someone else pops up. The game runs faster - but the player ID #s are really a walk down the rabbit hole. as a result, i've never used purge again. Has anyone used it in 22 or 23? i am assuming it does the same thing. even with back-ups (which i do every 7 sim game days) i still am leary of using it.



one good thing about the purge there is a warning before the purge begins the above will happen. Wish i'd paid more attention and taken the warning to heart. i guess another wish is somehow they could fix the purge issue not to renumber, but at least, i do understand why it happens so i have just avoided it. i am pretty certain it'd be a major programing issue to change the way the purge tool works, and probably not worth the time and effort for how often it gets used.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by mitchkenn

i haven't purged anything since V 17. what i found out, yes it reduced the size of my league nicely, but it also changed the player ID numbers - so (for example) i have Carl Hubble in my HOF as player #1456 (number is just an example.) After The purge, that number goes to some other player. So when i click on Carl Hubble in my HOF room, someone else pops up. The game runs faster - but the player ID #s are really a walk down the rabbit hole. as a result, i've never used purge again. Has anyone used it in 22 or 23? i am assuming it does the same thing. even with back-ups (which i do every 7 sim game days) i still am leary of using it.



one good thing about the purge there is a warning before the purge begins the above will happen. Wish i'd paid more attention and taken the warning to heart. i guess another wish is somehow they could fix the purge issue not to renumber, but at least, i do understand why it happens so i have just avoided it. i am pretty certain it'd be a major programing issue to change the way the purge tool works, and probably not worth the time and effort for how often it gets used.

An option was added to v23... "do not reuse player ids".
I wonder if that would affect purging and how it handles player numbers?

Might be worth asking Lukas or Matt?

Or, I suppose, one could hit the purge button and see what the warning says now? I'm not volunteering to be the guinea pig but, maybe someone else would like to test it out?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Sweed

An option was added to v23... "do not reuse player ids".
I wonder if that would affect purging and how it handles player numbers?

Might be worth asking Lukas or Matt?

Or, I suppose, one could hit the purge button and see what the warning says now? I'm not volunteering to be the guinea pig but, maybe someone else would like to test it out?

Yes, this would be good to know.

[Carplos]

Using "purge" overrides the setting to not re-use IDs. That setting just makes sure when new players are created, they don't use IDs already used by the league/universe.

I use "purge" a lot when first setting up a universe/league and I always have don't reuse players IDs on. I never use it after I move forward, but I also don't delete much after either.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Carplos

Using "purge" overrides the setting to not re-use IDs. That setting just makes sure when new players are created, they don't use IDs already used by the league/universe.

I use "purge" a lot when first setting up a universe/league and I always have don't reuse players IDs on. I never use it after I move forward, but I also don't delete much after either.

How/where do you enable this "purge" function...I have actually never heard about it until now.


Is this only for online leagues?

[darkcloud4579]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I know we have had the discussions about the many discrepencies in the international and independent leagues, but I am looking to solicit opinion on whether people think it's worth enabling them.

The leagues that are supposed to be relagation leagues aren't setup properly to reflect this. (Italian & Czech leagues) Also, the financial settings for international players appear to be all over the map also. There are just a lot of very questionable things going on as far as setups are concerned, and I am wondering (in light of this) if people think it's a good idea to use all of the international/independent leagues.

I don't want to go 12 rounds over why these things don't appear to be correct, but they don't, and this has been the case for some many versions now. My computer is powerful enough to run al of the leagues with no problem at all, so I am not concerned about processing speed or storage...I just don't want a situation in the future where things don't work realistically and have the potential to ruin a save.

Any thoughts? As if now I am changing these settings to reflect what I think SHOULD be, but as we have said in other thread, none of us seem to really have a good understanding of why things are being done the way they are. (oversight, on purpose etc...)

If folks are super interested in realism, then no probably not. But I think they are fun and useful and all you have to do is set static financials and amend them as you need to or have inflation on very low and keep salaries extremely low as well. I think it's not worth overanalyzing unless you really have some interest to utilize those overseas leagues, maybe want to send a fringe major leaguer there for fun or for some other reason besides just having it activated.

[mitchkenn]

OOTP 23 has the same message warning on the purge tool as previous versions. Just checked. It's on the standard game.

where is the pruge tool located? - under game settings/database/(far right) database tools/drop down menus - "purge deleted records from database.
if you click on that - you'll get the warning about ID #'s would be changed.