Thanks for the memories, but I'm done

[Melo]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

League evolution yeah but tbh I grow fond of the baseball cards.

On the “this crap gets way too complicated” end, the game or maybe the fanbase could get more aggressive about creating league templates, perhaps. If you’re just starting out and want something to go with… well, there’s the QuickStart for modern day, but how about one for, say, coming back from the strike in 1995 you just load and play? Maybe some “GM challenge” type scenarios like trying to run the Browns in the 1930s or taking over the expansion Mariners in 1977. Or a fully functional hobbit league

Does the fully functional hobbit league have a feeder league in Bree?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Tiger Fan

What I don’t understand is why those that are complaining there are too many options don’t just stick to the default settings?

one of the points ive been trying to make is that the defaults could be setup a bit better so people wouldnt needto mess around too much.

[MikeS21]

That’s one of the greatest selling points of OOTP … the customization. I said in an earlier post that it takes a long time to tweak all the settings, but tweaking the settings to my liking is what draws me to the game.

Some folks like to tweak settings, and some don’t. It’s truly a YMMV game.

[bwiese3908]

Originally Posted by MikeS21

That’s one of the greatest selling points of OOTP … the customization. I said in an earlier post that it takes a long time to tweak all the settings, but tweaking the settings to my liking is what draws me to the game.

Some folks like to tweak settings, and some don’t. It’s truly a YMMV game.

I agree that the more customization the better. I want as much choices as possible.


However, I do want to know what all the buttons do, and i think that can be explained better.

[Tiger Fan]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

one of the points ive been trying to make is that the defaults could be setup a bit better so people wouldnt needto mess around too much.

Now that I can get behind but to me it seems your crusade has been to eliminate the options not improve the default settings.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

one of the points ive been trying to make is that the defaults could be setup a bit better so people wouldnt needto mess around too much.

Are you talking about settings or output? For settings other than "league evolution" being on, what needs changing? Maybe a thread with a list of settings that you think needs to be fixed or tweaked to make a better start point would start a conversation?

If you're talking about output well... we all expect different things and that becomes harder to come to agreement on what needs to be done. For output we already have the default that the team puts out with each game. Other than finding and reporting anomalies or things that are just "plain off" I'm not sure what they can do? Whatever they change that fit's player A's expectations will\could break what player B expects. No?

Originally Posted by Tiger Fan

Now that I can get behind but to me it seems your crusade has been to eliminate the options not improve the default settings.

This is what I've been taking from reading his posts too.

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by tcblcommish

Don't you ever get sick of posting the same stuff over and over in so many different threads while at one point saying how you enjoy the game to I wouldn't play this game if I was paid?

You are unhappy with the game, you have voiced your opinion numerous times, even had discussions with Markus and none of that is enough. All you are doing now is making yourself look like an idiot with stupid shots like it's a lego game or whatever garbage you try to use to belittle what the company has done. If you don't like the game, fine voice your opinion and move on but to keep coming back day in and day out saying the same thing with different insults and condescension is just a pathetic attempt to do anything.



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I agree. It's getting tiring.

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by MikeS369

No need to announce your departure. This is not an airport.

Yep.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Maybe a thread with a list of settings that you think needs to be fixed or tweaked to make a better start point would start a conversation.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...67#post4917067

Let’s see if it gets any traction…

[Pdubya64]

I've been playing OOTP Baseball since 1997, mostly on, missed a year or two here and there over the years.

Gamers have always wanted Markus to add new aspects and detail to OOTP, but there are many who insist that these additions be made with an option to set them ON or OFF. While that's fine in any number of respects, we have had 20+ years of development with optional rules or capability built-in.
It's a wonder the game works as well as it does most releases. I am not a big fan of Perfect Team but I understand why it was launched.

It does make me wonder how much Dev time is siphoned-off from the main game to work on PT at times. For instance, they still haven't fixed low minors Facegen (still bobblehead only, no uniform) so it appears correctly.

Regarding the OP's post- I will just say that perhaps there are alternative Baseball simulations out there I am not familiar with, but I don't think anything comes close to what OOTP provides, warts and all.

I made peace with myself about the game years ago. No, we aren't going to get all the things we want fixed or rewritten. At this point there are so many moving parts to the game I am surprised it works as well as it does. We don't have all that many choices for a deep Baseball sim, so I am OK with having to put up with the state of the game in 2022.

I would like to see a complete rewrite of the manual personally. Terms like "Adaptability" are not defined anywhere. Yes, I know what the word means, but how is it used in-game? I am not interested in exposing the innards of OOTP so it can be meta-gamed, but I would prefer to read the answers to many if not most of my questions on how the game works and interfaces with Baseball IRL.

I continue to support Markus because it is still the best adaptation of Baseball in the digital realm. Still, I am hoping for better results moving forward from 2022. I will say I am a bit more worried about future prospects than I was 5 years ago.

I hope that will change.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...67#post4917067

Let’s see if it gets any traction…

Looks about how I would expect it to look.

I think Tigerfan sums it up quite nicely in this post copied from that thread.

Originally Posted by Tiger Fan

The problem the developers would face in trying to decide what to make default is the same issue we see here - different opinions from everyone on what they use and don't use.


Even just for myself it depends on the league type I am playing as to what I want turned on and off.

I personally like having rain outs always turned on. I want to use the full scouting, personality and coaches in my fictional sims but usually not in my historical play. I hate having the DH turned on at any point prior to 1972 AL in a historical sim and never want it in a fictional sim. I am good either way for two-way players but despise the 3-batter min. for relievers. I don't like the Hall of Fame defaulting to on in year one of my fictional league nor do I want all of those 'extra' awards like reliever of the year in a fictional sim set in the 1930s.

There are likely as many opinions from us collectively as to what should and should not be set as default as there are possible options so it is a can't win situation for the developers to try and please everyone.

I think the best bet is for the developers to use the default settings to mimic a modern day real player game as I expect that is the largest market and I imagine a good percentage of historical players and even fictional players like to tinker with things a bit so are likely more comfortable tweaking settings. But that's what makes all of these available options so important, for those so inclined to tweak their leagues how they like.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Tiger Fan

Now that I can get behind but to me it seems your crusade has been to eliminate the options not improve the default settings.

Well, I don’t think all the options should be eliminated…but perhaps which options are implemented could be better thought out. I don’t think every little thing can always be an option, and the ones that are selected should be setup a little better.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Looks about how I would expect it to look.

I think Tigerfan sums it up quite nicely in this post copied from that thread.

Yep - interesting to see what tweaks folks make to their saves and why - it all sort of underscores that the more options we can have to craft our universe the better.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Are you talking about settings or output? For settings other than "league evolution" being on, what needs changing? Maybe a thread with a list of settings that you think needs to be fixed or tweaked to make a better start point would start a conversation?

If you're talking about output well... we all expect different things and that becomes harder to come to agreement on what needs to be done. For output we already have the default that the team puts out with each game. Other than finding and reporting anomalies or things that are just "plain off" I'm not sure what they can do? Whatever they change that fit's player A's expectations will\could break what player B expects. No?



This is what I've been taking from reading his posts too.

That’s a good idea…when I get my computer back from being repaired I will put a list together.

One thing I’ll just mention quickly is I don’t understand why in the MLB setup, that minor league roster rules aren’t enabled?? It works perfectly fine if you ask me. League evolution should be off…

I know they worked on this a bit for 23….but in the past you had to go through every team to ensure the cities, ballparks, weather and division alignments were correct…a massive undertaking.

[PSUColonel]

Why wouldn’t realistic injuries be default also?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Why wouldn’t realistic injuries be default also?

People will riot

Let's use FM, since that seems to be a popular game to compare OOTP to. Did you know that FM is setup at 80% of real injuries and can't be adjusted? Why?
Moaning, of course.


edit to add: Myself? I would support realistic being default.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Sweed

People will riot

Let's use FM, since that seems to be a popular game to compare OOTP to. Did you know that FM is setup at 80% of real injuries and can't be adjusted? Why?
Moaning, of course.


edit to add: Myself? I would support realistic being default.

Yea…injury ratings should also likely be “off” but I’ll accept that one as a personal choice (and not default)

[Eugene Church]

mrowland, sorry to hear you are leaving the game.
Maybe you should go back to OOTP22... I thoroughly enjoy OOTP22 even with its occasional quirky 3D animations.

I do believe the OOTP crew will do their best to solve the major problems in OOTP23.

Communication is good... even when it is of a sad and negative nature like yours.

Just by reading through threads here on the Discussions Forum one can increase his knowledge of the game... great knowledge is picked up even among the negativity... this is a wonderful Community.

I have not bought OOTP23 yet, so I don't really have an intimate knowledge of this new version, but I am planning on getting it once I see that it is as good as it is going to get.

I used to be one of the first to buy to support Markus as much as possible in the lean years of OOTP... always paid the full price... even purchased the game when I was on the Beta Team... no, I'm not a saint... I was like many others of you that appreciated the game so much... I really wanted it to survive and be prosperous.

And it has prospered and survived into a wonderful game.

Hopefully, the new owners will not forget us and will continue to love the game like Markus and the Team.

No matter what happens in the future, I have OOTP22, which is a great game... where else can you get a sports game where players will run literally run through outfield walls for you .

Sorry, just couldn't resist poking a little bit of fun at the animation quirkiness.

[quillenl]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

mrowland, sorry to hear you are leaving the game.
Maybe you should go back to OOTP22... I thoroughly enjoy OOTP22 even with its occasional quirky 3D animations.

I do believe the OOTP crew will do their best to solve the major problems in OOTP23.

Communication is good... even when it is of a sad and negative nature like yours.

Just by reading through threads here on the Discussions Forum one can increase his knowledge of the game... great knowledge is picked up even among the negativity... this is a wonderful Community.

I have not bought OOTP23 yet, so I don't really have an intimate knowledge of this new version, but I am planning on getting it once I see that it is as good as it is going to get.

I used to be one of the first to buy to support Markus as much as possible in the lean years of OOTP... always paid the full price... even purchased the game when I was on the Beta Team... no, I'm not a saint... I was like many others of you that appreciated the game so much... I really wanted it to survive and be prosperous.

And it has prospered and survived into a wonderful game.

Hopefully, the new owners will not forget us and will continue to love the game like Markus and the Team.

No matter what happens in the future, I have OOTP22, which is a great game... where else can you get a sports game where players will run literally run through outfield walls for you .

Sorry, just couldn't resist poking a little bit of fun at the animation quirkiness.

I also have the complaint now and then... but recognize this is the best in show for Managements games in sports I follow (Baseball, Football, and Basketball). I am playing both 23 and 22 right now (22 online, 23 for personal) and am certain issues with 23 are overblown.

There are different historical database issues... but they have been different, not worse.

There are statistical anomalies such as Stolen Bases for historical leagues... but my experience is they are also "different, not worse".

I haven't had crashes, but I know some have. The bug threads this year seems about as prevalent as last year... so I don't suspect that the coding quality has suffered. I am not excusing crashes... but it there is not an indication it got worse in 23.

The items that drive me batty have been newly introduced issues that get little airplay on the forum though they are all easily reproduceable enough that I would imagine everyone is seeing them. I suspect they get lost somewhere between the "I quit because 23 does not have a feature that OOTP never had before" and "There are no issues with this game even though I only play Perfect Team (or didn't even purchase 23) crowds.
Things like...
- Players are being put of the Designated for assignment tab at times but are not actually DFA. You have to manually move them to DFA in order to move them to your minor league system. Periodic and new to 23.
- The ability to easily select historical uniforms was removed by changing what file types the game could see. Said it was licensing, but new to 23, licensing is a weird change considering the files are all still there, the logos can still be changed, and there was never any celebratory talk of the license being renewed.
- Lost the Delete All button in the standard game. It is still present in Perfect Team. Just more death by 1000 cuts with extra minor hoops to go through for what were always simple tasks. Another change that looks like it was made to accommodate Perfect Team (3 button mail UI works better for PT since they don't need a Respond To button)... but hardly Major.

The brand new issues I am experience do not qualify as Major. In past versions I have encountered issues like playoffs not populating, or in the worst case the database growing so large the game became unplayable due to all the Player Unknowns appearing when Ghost Players were toggled on. Short version... there is nothing Major keeping us from enjoying 23.

I'd say 23 is as close as it is going to get, and at 19.99 right now is probably as cheap as you are going to get. This is not that far behind 22 right now in quality... and is close enough that you may not notice anything at all.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

... where else can you get a sports game where players will run literally run through outfield walls for you .

LMFAO! Great one there EC!