Cleveland Indians / Guardians

[Goody]

Originally Posted by mochuck

Screw this PC bull.. they are and always be the Indians to me.. Washington is the redskins..

They are both ugly names, not because of PC. They are just crap names for a team.

[Goody]

Originally Posted by Fabtron7

A million percent this... The statement from Markus was pretty self explanatory, essentially 'We had to do this so we did'. I'm never sure why people need to fly in with their "YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY MY SYSTEMIC RASICM" hot takes.

Its imaginary baseball... plus you can change their logo to two caribou playing tennis with a sausage it you want to... just be a grown up and roll with it.

You sir won this thread.

[Goody]

Originally Posted by ChrisJNelson

As a Braves fan, I hope so.

Braves are not in danger.

Indians are a name based on an actual country that exists and a dumb person found it and thought it was India. Native Americans had their own names and history and it should be respected and we should not use an ignorant name for them. Indians are from India. Native Americans are from many other tribes and backgrounds and "Braves" is a respectful term to describe them (tomahawk chop is dumb and pointless).

Redskins is even worse. Get out of here with that being a cool nickname for a sports team.

[Goody]

Originally Posted by WestCoastGuy

That is exactly what they're doing as it relates to OOTP.



Yeah, every single year. (I'm referring to historical games.) If it was something that could be set once and forgotten about, that'd be different.

When I play historical, I want actual historical, not a whitewashed version of it.

But OOTP has a license. They need to abide by the rules of it. OOTP now cater to the modern game and got so big that they could buy a license and they are not indepent anymore for better or worse. I could care less about having the ability to play current rosters and have MLB assests in the game but I can see why they did it... I would have too in their situation.

[AESP_pres]

Originally Posted by Beatles Eternally

Then you are quite ill-informed about the Cleveland Spiders. Look at their record from 1890-1899.

Exactly, the Spiders were a successful franchise until their owner bought the St. Louis franchise and decided that it was a bigger market than Cleveland which result as the Spiders becoming the farm team of the Browns (or Perfectos since he changed the team name after buying it).


It isn't for nothing if an owner can't own two teams anymore as it was one of the most shameful and pathetic moment in baseball history...

[Goody]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Exactly, the Spiders were a successful franchise until their owner bought the St. Louis franchise and decided that it was a bigger market than Cleveland which result as the Spiders becoming the farm team of the Browns (or Perfectos since he changed the team name after buying it).


It isn't for nothing if an owner can't own two teams anymore as it was one of the most shameful and pathetic moment in baseball history...

That's not what this is about, but thank you. Good history. This thread is about people complaining about "woke" and the libs. This is baseball and a baseball sim... lets just enjoy the power of the game engine.

[RMc]

In a way, it's sad. And it makes me very pessimistic that American society will become more harmonious during my lifetime. You guys just don't listen. You don't want to listen.

If you want a "more harmonious" society, referring to people you don't agree with as "you guys" (and insisting that they "don't want to listen") probably won't help.

You guys are angry because you think people who don't look like you want to censor you. That's why you complain so bitterly about "woke" this and "woke" that.

Well, no. The most censorious people are not non-whites but white leftists who insist their way of thinking is intrinsically better (see above). And "woke" exists, no matter how much you deny it.

I'm done with this subject. (Oh, and Atlanta Hammers? Yes, please.)

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by RMc

Well, no. The most censorious people are not non-whites but white leftists who insist their way of thinking is intrinsically better (see above). And "woke" exists, no matter how much you deny it.

Definition of woke (Entry 1 of 2)
chiefly US slang
: aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

Please explain by that definition what is wrong being woke? Do you not agree with racial and social justice?

[Baby Ruth]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

Definition of woke (Entry 1 of 2)
chiefly US slang
: aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

Please explain by that definition what is wrong being woke? Do you not agree with racial and social justice?

It's typically used by the same people who don't know that words like 'liberal' and 'socialist' are rooted in the words for freedom and society. They only repeat what they hear on TV.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by Baby Ruth

It's typically used by the same people who don't know that words like 'liberal' and 'socialist' are rooted in the words for freedom and society. They only repeat what they hear on TV.

When you been brainwashed that there are only so many slices of that pie, things like equality is a bad word since you're conditioned to think that means you get less. It keeps you blind to the fact if you're not in the 1%, you're already getting less and true equality would mean more then enough for us all.

[5-4-3]

This is fine for current games, because it’s real, but going back and retconning history is for comic books, and it has no at all business in historical gaming. We need a workaround.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by 5-4-3

This is fine for current games, because it’s real, but going back and retconning history is for comic books, and it has no at all business in historical gaming. We need a workaround.

Give historical leagues something like a checkbox per team to follow MLB history for it in regards to naming.

[AESP_pres]

Originally Posted by 5-4-3

This is fine for current games, because it’s real, but going back and retconning history is for comic books, and it has no at all business in historical gaming. We need a workaround.

FWIW I just launch my first game today and, at least, for 1871 Cleveland aren't the Guardians but the Forrest Citys as they should be... but I expect the Blues to be the Guardians in 1901.


Since I play every seasons starting in 1871 I can easilly manually edit the Guardians stuff (name / logo / jersey / cap) but I guess it's annoying if you start a game after 1901 since the team from all the American League seasons will have Guardians in their history and not the historical names (Blues, Bronchos, Naps and Indians).

[thehef]

Originally Posted by SnakePit2001

Was anyone able to successfully make this mod? I am 100% fine with the Guardians playing in Cleveland in 2022, but when I play historical I do prefer accuracy. Fingers crossed someone may have started this project.

Attached. Minors file to come later. Make sure to follow all steps, including making backups. And try this out first as a test, not as the game that you will immerse yourself in And then please report back.

Oh, and I have re-ordered the steps:

1. Make a backup of your teams.csv file (found in your ...data/stats folder)... just so you have it. You won't likely need it.
2. Replace your teams.csv file with a custom one that changes all references of Guardians to Indians (attached; open the zip file, rename/copy the csv file to Teams.csv).
3. Make a backup of the modified teams.csv file because when OOTP updates, I believe it will overwrite this file. (Or simply save the attached file - Teams - cleveland correct.csv and copy & rename to satisfy step 2.)
4. At initial creation of your game, manually change the nickname from Guardians to Indians.
5. Be aware of when OOTP updates, and when it does, repeat step 2.

I initially had step 4 as step 1. The above now makes more sense, I think...

[FunkyBike1]

Got a (very beta-ish) mod working, should be essentially plug-and-play! Make a backup of your /data/stats folder, then copy this in.

This only changes team names in historical games, not the quickstarts or any fluff text or graphics.

There are likely to be bugs; I haven't fully tested everything. Seriously, make a backup.

There's a known issue in that the AZL teams in 2018-19 are both just called the Indians if starting a game in one of those years. This is entirely due to me being too lazy to shift around the 8 bytes required to fix it.

Mediafire link since it's too big to be a forum attachment.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

Give historical leagues something like a checkbox per team to follow MLB history for it in regards to naming.

This is literally something they cannot do because of the MLB license regarding the Cleveland franchise (and was explained in the first post of the thread).

[igor7111]

[QUOTE=Pelican;4882462]Just as we are free to disable the color bar for any pre-1947 season, and then sign/draft Negro League players, as I have done for each such season...."


Where is the switch for that located? I can't find it anywhere.

[ojoe]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

FWIW I just launch my first game today and, at least, for 1871 Cleveland aren't the Guardians but the Forrest Citys as they should be... but I expect the Blues to be the Guardians in 1901.


Since I play every seasons starting in 1871 I can easilly manually edit the Guardians stuff (name / logo / jersey / cap) but I guess it's annoying if you start a game after 1901 since the team from all the American League seasons will have Guardians in their history and not the historical names (Blues, Bronchos, Naps and Indians).

I'm expecting the Blues, Bronchos, and Naps to remain, and for the Guardians to show up after Nap Lajoie leaves the team.

At that point, I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I will probably rename the team every year just for the sake of historical accuracy, but will continue to try to avoid using caps with Chief Wahoo on them. ...And if some enterprising modder retcons the Cleveland jerseys to make period-accurate Guardians jerseys and caps, then I'll download and use those and just ride with the Guardians name all the way through.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by igor7111

Just as we are free to disable the color bar for any pre-1947 season, and then sign/draft Negro League players, as I have done for each such season...."


Where is the switch for that located? I can't find it anywhere.

You need to be playing with Negro Leagues/Full Minors to have this option, but it will then be on the Rules page Right under the roster size settings.

[FunkyBike1]

Pre-1915 names are unchanged. The only change made is Indians to Guardians, including their minor league affiliates. This includes the Indianapolis Indians from 1952-56 (the years they were a Cleveland Indians affiliate) but not any other years.