OOTP23 SNEAK PREVIEW: New ways to shop players!

[Pdubya64]

Dev question on Shop Player:

Can you guys explain/defend why it seems even one "Shop Player" inquiry results in the player in question knowing it happened and negatively affecting their morale?

I can understand doing it a lot would raise the chance of the rumor mill picking it up through a leak, but it happens every time in my experience.


Regarding the subject, I am pumped for any improvements in AI and trading. Awesome!

[smiller]

This happens all the time, so I just go to "edit" and put the player's reaction to transactions back to where it was before he was shopped. I assume that trade talks are kept confidential as they probably are for the most part in real life.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Pdubya64

Dev question on Shop Player:

Can you guys explain/defend why it seems even one "Shop Player" inquiry results in the player in question knowing it happened and negatively affecting their morale?

I can understand doing it a lot would raise the chance of the rumor mill picking it up through a leak, but it happens every time in my experience.


Regarding the subject, I am pumped for any improvements in AI and trading. Awesome!

I'll throw out one idea...

This is not something being done "one to one" with another GM. A lot of folks are in on it and expected to keep it quiet. Only takes one to let it out.
I'm a GM with Joe Baseball on my team. I like to stay in favor with his agent, his contract is coming up. Add in the player being shopped is one of his clients and I don't particularly like the GM that is shopping him nor his team. What do I do? Let it slip to Joe's agent? Now that's a "one on one" that may not get out if said agent and I have built up some trust while doing some back room deals.


I think I would more understand them not reacting that day to mimic reality?
Maybe it's a few days or a week before they hear rumblings? In a game like OOTP I don't see delaying their finding out a few days to matter either way.

Expanding this to "one on one" trade offers with other teams? Yeah, should be much less a chance of things getting out. As in your shop question said player is instantly aware you tried to move him. A nice feature, off the cuff without a lot of thought, might be a small percentage chance of it getting back to the player and a news item to go along. Could also be dovetailed into a "GM reputation" feature I've asked for, IE each GM has a rep for how they deal with others in the trade market. Along with lowballing trades this guy is also known to leak like a sieve

[Syd Thrift]

Yeah, I agree with the above. An awful lot of the time a player gets irate because he hears through the grapevine that his team is shopping him around - not necessarily that he's even about to get traded, but just shopped around - and that affects his morale. I appreciate that some players want to play the game without having to worry about the reality of player personality and for them I say turn chemistry off.

[MathBandit]

Especially with the way "Shop Player" function works, which is literally calling up all 29 other GMs and asking who they would give you for X.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by daves

So when I use the trading block, I like to trade 2 or 3 mediocre players to get one real good one. I don't want to trade one player and get three mediocre ones.

This feature doesn't excite me.

Will anything get added in OOTPGO?

I have been doing what you're suggesting, in OOTP, for 20 years.

Take your starter, add some cheese, throw in a used catcher's mask, and you upgrade.

Rinse and repeat for the NEXT position.

Once you get your first four hitters lined up, then you start getting pitching.

I routinely win 120+ games a year doing this. 1+1+1+1+1 = a four star starter.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

Especially with the way "Shop Player" function works, which is literally calling up all 29 other GMs and asking who they would give you for X.

This feature was user requested. It's like when OOTP used to have foul balls in played out games but users complained it took\wasted too much time. You could sit through an AB where a player kept fouling off pitches and watch the tension build. I loved it when I had a player foul off pitch after pitch. I hated it when the opponent did it to me. Now I only know that it happened if I look at the pitch location box and see there were 10+ pitches in that AB

Same thing happened with trying to trade a player. Complaints that "It took too long." They did not want to waste time clicking on 29 teams, there should be a feature that does that for us. And so there is. It work's the way it does for a reason, a "time saver". IOW exactly as it was designed to work. It has nothing to do with realism and never did.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

I have been doing what you're suggesting, in OOTP, for 20 years.

Take your starter, add some cheese, throw in a used catcher's mask, and you upgrade.

Rinse and repeat for the NEXT position.

Once you get your first four hitters lined up, then you start getting pitching.

I routinely win 120+ games a year doing this. 1+1+1+1+1 = a four star starter.

Sounds boring but, it is your game. Play it your way.

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by Sweed

This feature was user requested. It's like when OOTP used to have foul balls in played out games but users complained it took\wasted too much time. You could sit through an AB where a player kept fouling off pitches and watch the tension build. I loved it when I had a player foul off pitch after pitch. I hated it when the opponent did it to me. Now I only know that it happened if I look at the pitch location box and see there were 10+ pitches in that AB

Same thing happened with trying to trade a player. Complaints that "It took too long." They did not want to waste time clicking on 29 teams, there should be a feature that does that for us. And so there is. It work's the way it does for a reason, a "time saver". IOW exactly as it was designed to work. It has nothing to do with realism and never did.

Oh, I know, not complaining about the way it works. Just explaining why it makes sense for the player to be annoyed about "only being Shop For Trade"d once.

[r0nster]

Will there be a feature of player to be named later in trades where after season that player be picked ??

[BBGiovanni]

Originally Posted by tejdog1

I will say this - the OOTP AI has a HUGE hate-on for big money, long term deals like Seager's, like Lindor's, etc...

That being said - wtf are the Rangers doing IRL (that's neither here nor there for discussing the game, but still)

I've always just thought of this as a new GM taking over a team and trying to undo bad contracts. It also happens with human GMs in online leagues as soon as they take over!

The year Pablo Sandoval signed his big contract in Boston, every OOTP game I started BOS traded him back to the Giants immediately

[Pelican]

Originally Posted by Sweed

This feature was user requested. It's like when OOTP used to have foul balls in played out games but users complained it took\wasted too much time. You could sit through an AB where a player kept fouling off pitches and watch the tension build. I loved it when I had a player foul off pitch after pitch. I hated it when the opponent did it to me. Now I only know that it happened if I look at the pitch location box and see there were 10+ pitches in that AB

Same thing happened with trying to trade a player. Complaints that "It took too long." They did not want to waste time clicking on 29 teams, there should be a feature that does that for us. And so there is. It work's the way it does for a reason, a "time saver". IOW exactly as it was designed to work. It has nothing to do with realism and never did.

You know the [true] Richie Ashburn story, don't you? He was notorious for fouling off numerous pitches, until he walked or got one to hit. One game his foul ball knocked some poor lady cold. Later on in the at bat, as she was being carried out on a stretch, he hit her again. It's only funny because she was apparently okay, and of course got a signed ball.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Pelican

You know the [true] Richie Ashburn story, don't you? He was notorious for fouling off numerous pitches, until he walked or got one to hit. One game his foul ball knocked some poor lady cold. Later on in the at bat, as she was being carried out on a stretch, he hit her again. It's only funny because she was apparently okay, and of course got a signed ball.

I believe Bernard Malamud used this incident as fodder for a scene in The Natural where Roy Hobbs strikes a woman he is (fatefully) linked to in the stands.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Pelican

You know the [true] Richie Ashburn story, don't you? He was notorious for fouling off numerous pitches, until he walked or got one to hit. One game his foul ball knocked some poor lady cold. Later on in the at bat, as she was being carried out on a stretch, he hit her again. It's only funny because she was apparently okay, and of course got a signed ball.

No I had not heard that.

Here's a real life thing that happened when I was young and out with my girlfriend.

We stopped at the batting cages and I hit a few balls. She said she'd like to try, no problem. The third pitch was coming right at her and of course, if you can't see the ball it can't hit you. So, instead of moving she twisted her upper body, back towards the oncoming ball and it hit her flush. She proceeded to walk across the LHB box and stand next to the fence on that side. Obviously it hurts and she's trying to not cry. In the meantime the arm is rotating and about ready to throw the next ball. She decides it's time to head for the door and get out of there. The problem is the door is on the RHB box side of the cage and she's about to walk right in front of the next pitch If I hadn't yelled at her to stop and go back, stand against the far wall until the machine ran out of balls it would not have been pretty.

Not funny when it happened but, we did laugh about it later, something like 6 months later.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by kq76

...

Sure, it would be a headscratcher if it happened IRL, but so are the current Texas Rangers management. If I was among them I'd be having serious doubts about the security of my career just being associated with them.

...

Well, that didn't take long.

Rangers Fire President & Former GM

I do wonder who was the driving force behind those deals, Young or Daniels. Daniels could have of course vetoed them though considering he was above Young.

[Pembroke]

Originally Posted by 84Cubs

This looks promising. A couple of questions or thoughts.

I love the promise of ASK FOR. It would be cool if you could ask for specific types of common MLB deals. For example, the "All Star Player for a Prospect capital", the "salary dump" i.e. Hosmer and high end prospect(s). I'm sure there are others type of deals I am forgetting. But it looks great.

Are there counter offers built in? Say you offer the CPU a player, can you ask the CPU for a offer. This would be like the "make this trade work" button but you would ask the CPU to offer a player(s).

Is there a way to customize what 3 or 4 stats we see for the players offered? Instead of average, OBP, Slugging and ABs maybe we could ask it to display wOBA, WRC+, War and ABs. Maybe you could have these saved and be able to switch through different preset options for pitchers or batters.

But overall this looks promising. Thank you!

This would be great - getting the CPUAI to add a player to balance things out, like the Make This Trade Work button.

[84Cubs]

Originally Posted by Pembroke

This would be great - getting the CPUAI to add a player to balance things out, like the Make This Trade Work button.

YES! I have long wanted this to be added.