MLB work stoppage almost certain on Dec. 2 - Page 5

low · 02-16-2022, 02:05 PM

Spring training was supposed to start today.

Brad K · 02-16-2022, 04:42 PM

I wonder when they'll start offering refunds for spring training games. I have tickets for two.

monkeyman576 · 02-16-2022, 05:07 PM

https://www.mlb.com/camelback-ranch/refunds

Brad K · 02-16-2022, 07:32 PM

The 2020 policy. I imagine they'll do the same.

I didn't need any refunds for 2020. At a game I attended they announced spring training was over at the end of the game. I didn't have tickets for any later games.

monkeyman576 · 02-16-2022, 10:56 PM

Apparently Juan Soto declined a $300M offer from the Nats. Hope the Mariners will go after him.

dsvitak · 02-16-2022, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Apparently Juan Soto declined a $300M offer from the Nats. Hope the Mariners will go after him.

Soto now says it was for $350M.

low · 02-17-2022, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Apparently Juan Soto declined a $300M offer from the Nats. Hope the Mariners will go after him.

Which means he's either going to New York or Los Angeles.

dsvitak · 02-18-2022, 11:17 AM

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-receive...=1645196732007

According to this, the MLBPA moved - slightly - on two core issues, their FIRST movement since their original proposal in November.

Déjà Bru · 02-18-2022, 02:47 PM

Well, if they don't reach an agreement soon, two states will need to be declared economic disasters zones. According to bloomberg.com, "In total, the Arizona and Florida leagues that host spring training baseball bring about $1 billion in combined annual economic impact to their states."

knightdreamer2k · 02-20-2022, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Well, if they don't reach an agreement soon, two states will need to be declared economic disasters zones. According to bloomberg.com, "In total, the Arizona and Florida leagues that host spring training baseball bring about $1 billion in combined annual economic impact to their states."

This is correct. I live close to one the parks and the tourism spring training attracts is a big part of the economy.

cephasjames · 02-21-2022, 07:13 PM

I don't have a link because I can't remember where I've read this, but I've seen it in a couple of places now. It looks like advertisement patches on the uniforms might be a thing this year. From what I've read, both sides have agreed to it.

I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but I've seen this in a few places.

low · 02-21-2022, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

I don't have a link because I can't remember where I've read this, but I've seen it in a couple of places now. It looks like advertisement patches on the uniforms might be a thing this year. From what I've read, both sides have agreed to it.

I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but I've seen this in a few places.

This would not be surprising. What is surprising is it hasn't happened yet.

monkeyman576 · 02-21-2022, 10:32 PM

I think I've got a solution for the lockout. The MLB gives the players mostly what they want, but it has to be like a 30 or 50 year deal. Then everyone is happy right?

Westheim · 02-22-2022, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I think I've got a solution for the lockout. The MLB gives the players mostly what they want, but it has to be like a 30 or 50 year deal. Then everyone is happy right?

You are making the mistake of approaching this with a certain degree of reason.

kq76 · 02-22-2022, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I think I've got a solution for the lockout. The MLB gives the players mostly what they want, but it has to be like a 30 or 50 year deal. Then everyone is happy right?

Hah! That would definitely be an interesting approach, but I'm thinking the other side in any negotiation would probably turn that down. You just don't know what the world will be like in 30-50 years. The things that are important to an organization could be completely different over that timeframe.

itsmb8 · 02-22-2022, 09:40 PM

MLB and the Players Assoc need to go to arbitration. Both sides lay out exactly what they want, the arbitrator decides who gets what.

Ty Cobb · 02-22-2022, 09:43 PM

Both sides need to get their snoots out of the trough and remember the fans. Never happen...just should.

Dave Stieb II · 02-22-2022, 09:49 PM

MLB suggested arbitration.
The PA rejected the idea.
So while I agree with you, I wouldn't hold your breath.

Dave Stieb II · 02-22-2022, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

Both sides need to get their snoots out of the trough and remember the fans. Never happen...just should.

You're right...on both counts.
General public interest in baseball as been dwindling for several years now but both sides seem oblivous to this fact.
Their greedy buffoonery is only going to expedite the decline in interest.
Unlike in '94, a lot of the casual fans won't be coming back this time if recent history is a guide.

Syd Thrift · 02-23-2022, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Stieb II

MLB suggested arbitration.
The PA rejected the idea.
So while I agree with you, I wouldn't hold your breath.

The latest I saw was that they were so far apart that they weren't really even on the same playing field. An arbitrator is less likely to come to a "fair" conclusion and instead go kind of all or nothing in favor of whoever states their case better. If I was the MLBPA on the bonus pool deal in particular I'd be very, very skeptical that the league wouldn't continue to lock them out if an arbitrator said "yeah, I think having a $110M bonus pool for pre-arb players makes more sense than a $15M pool" just due to the sheer difference in distance. As it stands, any arbitrator worth their salt is going to look at that and say "hey guys, I highly recommend you all go back and negotiate with each other, because whichever way I rule, one of you is going to be very, very upset" (which by the way is exactly what the arbitrator who ruled on the reserve clause back in the 70s did).

Arbitration would be fine and might still be OK if/once the two sides are within shouting distance of each other.

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02-16-2022, 07:32 PM	#84
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,657 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	The 2020 policy. I imagine they'll do the same. I didn't need any refunds for 2020. At a game I attended they announced spring training was over at the end of the game. I didn't have tickets for any later games. __________________ . Pirates Play Moneyball 1951-2008 Ratings and League Totals Modifiers A new pre-calc file! (Applause!) Settings and Auto-calc Popular Opinions and Undisputable Facts The cover up is usually more damaging than the original act.

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Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,280	Well, if they don't reach an agreement soon, two states will need to be declared economic disasters zones. According to bloomberg.com, "In total, the Arizona and Florida leagues that host spring training baseball bring about $1 billion in combined annual economic impact to their states." __________________ - Bru

02-21-2022, 07:13 PM	#91
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	I don't have a link because I can't remember where I've read this, but I've seen it in a couple of places now. It looks like advertisement patches on the uniforms might be a thing this year. From what I've read, both sides have agreed to it. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but I've seen this in a few places. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

02-16-2022, 05:07 PM	#83
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,347	https://www.mlb.com/camelback-ranch/refunds

02-16-2022, 10:56 PM	#85
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,347	Apparently Juan Soto declined a $300M offer from the Nats. Hope the Mariners will go after him.

02-18-2022, 11:17 AM	#88
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,288	https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-receive...=1645196732007 According to this, the MLBPA moved - slightly - on two core issues, their FIRST movement since their original proposal in November.

02-21-2022, 10:32 PM	#93
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,347	I think I've got a solution for the lockout. The MLB gives the players mostly what they want, but it has to be like a 30 or 50 year deal. Then everyone is happy right?

02-22-2022, 09:40 PM	#96
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02-22-2022, 09:43 PM	#97
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,569	Both sides need to get their snoots out of the trough and remember the fans. Never happen...just should. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

02-22-2022, 09:49 PM	#98
Dave Stieb II All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 664	MLB suggested arbitration. The PA rejected the idea. So while I agree with you, I wouldn't hold your breath.