Suggestions for 23

[Bobbyraz49]

Originally Posted by Bobbyraz49

I would love to see an owner demand a new stadium or relocate.

I agree. Stated this last year.

[tm1681]

Originally Posted by Deft

Custom Awards with customizable criterion, so the awards could be auto generated rather than assigned by the human.

For example, Comeback Player of the year is your custom award. There is a filter like on the player search screen where you can set up algorithm to rate the players that could include performance this year vs. the last, injury history, and throw in popularity as a criteria.

This would really be an excellent idea.

[tm1681]

Maybe this is the wrong place for this, but am I the only person who feels that the way fielding progresses among the 18-23 set is weird?

I've been part of the research team on Football Manager since 2007 (USA co-Head Researcher), so what I'm used to is having players start with one "natural position" that they have a maximum playability attribute at to start: 20/20 in this case, and secondary positions in which they might be almost as good at (18/20), comfortable at (16/20), okay at (12/20), and so on. Just like in OOTP, some players might only be able to play 1-2 positions and some might be able to play just about anywhere. It is then up to the manager to look at their attributes and decided that maybe they'd be better as a 20/20 at a different position or work on making sure their attribute progression for their primary position goes according to plan.

What has always struck me as odd with the OOTP positional system, and I've been playing since OOTP 3 (or 4???) is how players will start out at the age or 17 or 18 with a 30/200 in their primary position and fielding attributes that seem to already be set to what they would be at least at the high levels of the minors. It's then the job of the minor league system to progress the player through experience in positions until they get to a 200/200 in one or more.

Would it maybe be better if OOTP gave fielding attributes current and potential ratings, just like it does with batting attributes, and give players a primary position they're 200/200 at, with other positions going from there that they might be comfortable/okay/etc at?

[Lordofbrewtown]

Originally Posted by rylinus

Many interesting ideas here. I'll add a few.
1. Have a full playoff history for each team. As opposed to just noting if a team made the playoff's or not each year, it would be great to note at least how far they got (division series, championship series, etc.) and if possible the W-L for the series.

Yes - really want this. Add a team history page/flush this out. I'd also like to see all-time records vs all teams in the league.

[Lordofbrewtown]

Originally Posted by AlpineSK

I'm not sure if its been mentioned in all of these pages but RIVALRIES. Rivalries rivalries rivalries.

The AI should be able to take into consideration who they are playing, or more importantly who they are making a trade to. As the Boston Red Sox, I should not be able to make a trade for a key piece from the New York Yankees, or vice versa. If I'm a high ranking team in the AL, I shouldnt be able to make a trade to a high ranking team in the NL who I might meet in the World Series for one of their key players.

With all of the iterations of this game one franchise's opinion should be able to be taken into consideration for almost every decision. If I'm playing as the mid 2000's Red Sox and Derek Jeter hits free agency I should have to pay more for him, or not be able to sign him at all because of his potential opinion of my franchise.

This is LONG overdue.

I've suggested in past years. Would like to see ability to set 2 or 3 rivals in team settings. Things possibly affected by rivals/rivalry games: Owner goals/satisfaction; attendance levels/fan interest; likelihood of news articles and possibly brawl, greater effect on team chemistry/morale, trading difficulty/free agency signing.

[Braden]

So, here we are passed the middle of February and no teaser or early discount for 23. I wonder if this has anything to do with the new ownership!

[smythejd]

Originally Posted by Braden

So, here we are passed the middle of February and no teaser or early discount for 23. I wonder if this has anything to do with the new ownership!

My two cents...

Here are a couple of quotes from Markus Heinsohn when he was addressing someone else's concern about the future go OOTP and the new ownership..

"Relax, nothing is going to change in the forseeable future. We're still the same team, we have been hiring talented people and we have great support from our Korean friends.

...I have control as long as I am Managing Director of the company. And I do not plan on stepping down anytime soon"

So I will patiently wait for info on 23 and pre order as I have for the last 15 years.

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by Braden

So, here we are passed the middle of February and no teaser or early discount for 23. I wonder if this has anything to do with the new ownership!

Umm, here's a link to a thread that should interest you.
You only need to read the last post - by Markus.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=334740

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Braden

So, here we are passed the middle of February and no teaser or early discount for 23. I wonder if this has anything to do with the new ownership!

TBH the end will eventually come to this game. Already I feel like some aspects of it - the fact that it's still stat-based as opposed to physics-based - means that it's probably got a limited shelf life the way it's current set up. But eventually, whether it's due to Markus leaving or not, they'll stop making the game every year or at all and we'll just have the last version to use.

Instead of worrying about that time coming now, when there's clearly a development team at work and no sign of it, I say, just celebrate what we've got while we've got it.

[Remember42]

I'm 26 years into an historical replay of Boston and have won the last two WS. I have an outstanding pitching staff and excellent lineup with good defense. I have not dipped my toe into the free agent pool the last two years because I am solid everywhere. Each year my owner has cut my budget from 100 million to 71 million, which would have severely crippled me. I have the 4th highest payroll. I play in Commis mode and easily corrected that problem.



He also wanted I cut my team salary from 100 mil to 70mil at the same time he was insisting I re-sign a superstar to a 38 million contract extension.



I often find myself thumbing my nose at the owner.

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by Remember42

I'm 26 years into an historical replay of Boston and have won the last two WS. I have an outstanding pitching staff and excellent lineup with good defense. I have not dipped my toe into the free agent pool the last two years because I am solid everywhere. Each year my owner has cut my budget from 100 million to 71 million, which would have severely crippled me. I have the 4th highest payroll. I play in Commis mode and easily corrected that problem.



He also wanted I cut my team salary from 100 mil to 70mil at the same time he was insisting I re-sign a superstar to a 38 million contract extension.



I often find myself thumbing my nose at the owner.

Yah, this is why I support a focus on things like owner goals/relationships and the entire financial system when it comes to improvements. Basically, most of the management structure that should be a core element of OOTP and what makes it unique but is in need of an overhaul.

There's often just a total lack of logic behind things like the owner's demands and the financial system/fan interest/market size evolution etc.

For me, needing to go into commish mode and alter things would kill my immersion. I'd probably just scrub the entire save and start a new one. But that's just me.

In saying that, I'm not passing judgement on you for doing it . If you're enjoying the save, that's all that matters and I can understand why you'd feel compelled to make the adjustment when there is no rationale or realism behind the owner's demands.

[itsmb8]

Based on the CBA negotiations right now, I would say its becoming completely obvious that the financial system is the main thing that needs t be upgraded.

[mbi]

Originally Posted by KBLover

I've had this problem with expectations ever since they were introduced to the game.

All the scenarios you mention as well.

It's even worse when the player signs with you knowing you have the stud...like...you KNEW I had the stud 4-hole hitter or ace closer or starter...if you want that role for yourself, maybe you should have looked at another club.

haven't posted in years but feel the need to counter this post, as players being unrealistic and not meeting management's expectations is perfectly in line with real life.

this frustration is needed.

[mbi]

I don't think I saw this anywhere in the thread, but I'd love if the PBP text had more variations that made the outcome less predictable when mass-playing.

You see the first or second line of text and you already know this is the rare time a runner is thrown out at 2B because the PBP only is written like this when thrown out. It'd be great if out and safe mirrored and there weren't specific "out only" PBP.

It's minor, but it's on my short list.

[mbi]

Originally Posted by ms2002

Brilliant idea and would address many of the issues with exploiting the AI.

The user should have to ask for feedback rather than getting it instantly. It's too easy to play around with options and find a way to take advantage of the AI.

last post in here, but this type of system would be excellent. adding personality traits to GMs and their internal relationships and how that effects trades would be monumental in forcing users [me] to not game the game

[fuzzy_patters]

Originally Posted by itsmb8

Based on the CBA negotiations right now, I would say its becoming completely obvious that the financial system is the main thing that needs t be upgraded.

That and the playoffs if they end up with this system of seven teams where you get to pick your opponent.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Remember42

I'm 26 years into an historical replay of Boston and have won the last two WS. I have an outstanding pitching staff and excellent lineup with good defense. I have not dipped my toe into the free agent pool the last two years because I am solid everywhere. Each year my owner has cut my budget from 100 million to 71 million, which would have severely crippled me. I have the 4th highest payroll. I play in Commis mode and easily corrected that problem.



He also wanted I cut my team salary from 100 mil to 70mil at the same time he was insisting I re-sign a superstar to a 38 million contract extension.



I often find myself thumbing my nose at the owner.

Yeah, I don't know, man... I find this pretty in line with real life. Ownership can be kind of petulant and contradictory about stuff, and demanding that you continue to contend while slashing payroll is sort of common. I'd even look at that as them trying to find an excuse to fire you.

The other aspect of this, too, is that if you win a lot of games all of those goals kind of get forgotten about. I mean, the owner might not be happy if you're $50M above payroll (and of course he won't allow you to sign FAs and at that level probably won't let you resign guys either) but if you won the WS he's not going to can you for not acquiring an upgrade at shortstop or improving your stolen bases. On the flip side, of course, if you go 64-98 you'd better be doing all of the other things the owner is looking for from you if you want to keep that job. That's also pretty well in line with real life I think.

I'm not saying the game is not without its AI hiccups (and glaring issues for that matter - see my commentary on scouting), but I'm not at all convinced that this doesn't mirror real life and provide you with some of the exact same frustrations that real-life GMs encounter.

[Art Deco]

Originally Posted by mbi

I don't think I saw this anywhere in the thread, but I'd love if the PBP text had more variations that made the outcome less predictable when mass-playing.

You see the first or second line of text and you already know this is the rare time a runner is thrown out at 2B because the PBP only is written like this when thrown out. It'd be great if out and safe mirrored and there weren't specific "out only" PBP.

It's minor, but it's on my short list.

This, and I don't know why they can't rid of the "...." that shows up in the PxP every time before a player is hit by a pitch - it'll even show those ellipses before the new pitcher is announced if he's hitting the first guy he faces.

Also whenever the play-by-play for at-bat (in batter mode) starts with a recitation of the count or the game situation, it means there's a wild pitch or passed ball about to happen.

They need to take these spoilers out.

[mbi]

Originally Posted by Art Deco

This, and I don't know why they can't rid of the "...." that shows up in the PxP every time before a player is hit by a pitch - it'll even show those ellipses before the new pitcher is announced if he's hitting the first guy he faces.

Also whenever the play-by-play for at-bat (in batter mode) starts with a recitation of the count or the game situation, it means there's a wild pitch or passed ball about to happen.

They need to take these spoilers out.

This would create so much more immersion because truly anything can happen as you play, vs learning the 50 or so standard PBP and then being spoiled before the words come out.

It's a real simple fix, especially if you have it go both ways and you merge both out and safe PBP.

[Scott83]

Originally Posted by Braden

So, here we are passed the middle of February and no teaser or early discount for 23. I wonder if this has anything to do with the new ownership!

I don’t think it was announced until 22nd February or there abouts last year - hopefully hear something next week.