Historical Minors - Page 13

splat58 · 10-08-2021, 03:21 PM

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I also may have spoken too soon here as well. The Phillies now have Larry Bowa starting at 2B, Alan Bannister playing SS.

My Larry Bowa was waived by Philly (as usual) in spring training 1971 & picked up by Atlanta. The Braves kept him in AAA all season while in the Launching Pad Sonny Jackson stumbled & bumbled his way to 32 E's, .948 FA, 4.31 RF, negative 5.3 ZR, .980 EFF. His usual performance.

IRL in 1971, Bowa .249/.293/.292, 11 E's, .987 FA, 5.31 RF, 97 DP.
IRL in 1971, Jackson .258/.302/.324, but played CF.

It seems the AI always goes with offense over defense, but Jackson's O is only marginally better than Bowa's. While Bowa's D at a critical position would be far more valuable to the team.

As ST 1972 winds down, Bowa is the starter, but Jackson remains on the roster.....

David Watts · 10-10-2021, 10:28 AM

July 20th, 1975 we have a pretty big trade between the Los Angeles Dodgers and the California Angels. The Angels acquire Don Sutton from the Dodgers in exchange for 24 year old LF Bruce Bochte, 19 year old C Butch Wynegar, 19 year old CF Larry Rush and 23 year old LF John Doherty.

The Angels trail the Oakland A's by 4 games in the AL West. This trade gives them a rather impressive rotation of Andy Messersmith(8-7, 2.58), Nolan Ryan(11-6, 3.33), Don Sutton(8-8, 3.45), Frank Tanana(12-3, 3.03) and Andy Hassler(11-2, 3.26) I guess the question now is whether the Angels can overcome their gas can of a Closer Tom Murphy.

David Watts · 10-11-2021, 10:24 AM

Closing in on the end of July and Rollie Fingers already has 33 saves on the season. The MLB record for saves is currently 35, so Fingers should shatter that mark and then some.

Hank Aaron managed to hit another home run and now has 708.

Roberto Clemente pinch hit for the last 2 seasons, but with the introduction of high fatigue, Roberto has been getting regular starts again and he's having a great season. He's hitting .300+ and has 7 or 8 home runs

David Watts · 10-11-2021, 11:01 AM

I'm still scratching my head over the Dodgers trading away Don Sutton. It almost has the feel of a team throwing in the towel and giving up. There is no amateur draft in this league, so tanking is useless. The Dodgers lost Tommy John to a career ending injury earlier in 75 and their cupboard of pitching prospects is rather bare. With Sutton's departure, the always a slight breeze away from the injured list Bill Singer takes over as the teams #1 starter. Singer is a good pitcher, but has to stay off the injured list to be of any value. Rick Rhoden is having a nice season so far in 75 and Doug Rau is holding his own. Al Downing is on the downside of his career and I really don't expect too much out of him. The Dodger's 5th starter is currently a "neverplayed' or if he did play, it wasn't for very long. Looks like they will have to wait till 1977 for Mr. Welch to arrive.

I so can't wait for free agency to kick in. The combo of no draft and reserve rosters is a way I will probably never use again.

thehef · 10-11-2021, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I'm still scratching my head over the Dodgers trading away Don Sutton.

That's a puzzler. They're likely to get several solid-but-unspectacular seasons out of Wynegar, perhaps conflicting with the arrival of Mike Scioscia. Bochte should have some solid seasons left, but as I recall, the Dodgers have a pretty solid OF. Doherty and Rush are ham sandwiches... Sutton, OTOH, should have 10-12 years left of being a high-level starting pitcher... Not a good trade, IMO.

Syd Thrift · 10-11-2021, 03:47 PM

Yeah, this is what I see in general:

1. The AI seriously downplays defense, to the point of playing players out of position if it doesn’t like the stick of a given defender.

2. The game engine does not and as such these teams that do this wind up with very bad defenses (as they should) that probably cost them on the order of 2-3 wins a year.

I’ve said before in here that this applies to fictional leagues as well although of course you don’t have the “Dan Meyer shouldn’t play shortstop” type baggage attached. FWIW I think there are situations where making moves like this makes sense - if your top shortstop options are just plain horrific for instance (the 1968 Tigers come to mind) or if you’re out of contention and, while not quite tanking, want to get young bats in the lineup so you can see who sticks and who doesn’t. The game does, by the 60s and 70s, allow you to do that without those guys carrying fielding averages under .900. It still feels like an AI issue much more than a game engine issue.

David Watts · 10-11-2021, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thehef

That's a puzzler. They're likely to get several solid-but-unspectacular seasons out of Wynegar, perhaps conflicting with the arrival of Mike Scioscia. Bochte should have some solid seasons left, but as I recall, the Dodgers have a pretty solid OF. Doherty and Rush are ham sandwiches... Sutton, OTOH, should have 10-12 years left of being a high-level starting pitcher... Not a good trade, IMO.

It will be interesting to see if the introduction of Wynegar to the Dodgers system, finally spells the end for Dick Dietz.

splat58 · 10-13-2021, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

When I get home, I'm going to go searching for Frank White.

Did you find him?

David Watts · 10-13-2021, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by splat58

Did you find him?

Yeah, he is on the Royals AAA team.

splat58 · 10-23-2021, 01:43 PM

How is your 1975 league progressing? Still going?

David Watts · 10-23-2021, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by splat58

How is your 1975 league progressing? Still going?

I still have it going, but I got the urge to play some random debut.

AESP_pres · 11-06-2021, 10:37 AM

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A guy named Canada playing for the Expos.

Romel Canada played two seasons (71 and 72) in the Expos minor league system

https://www.statscrew.com/minorbaseb...ats/p-52a8e1ea

thehef · 11-29-2021, 02:27 AM

Hey David, I know that you moved on to other sims, but I'm just curious where you left off in this one? How far have you gotten?

David Watts · 11-29-2021, 09:32 AM

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Hey David, I know that you moved on to other sims, but I'm just curious where you left off in this one? How far have you gotten?

I'm past the midway point of 1976 season. Keep meaning to go back and play some more games, but I've been locked into this random debut as of late.

splat58 · 11-29-2021, 01:59 PM

Did free agency begin after the 1975 season?

10-10-2021, 10:28 AM	#242
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,885 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	July 20th, 1975 we have a pretty big trade between the Los Angeles Dodgers and the California Angels. The Angels acquire Don Sutton from the Dodgers in exchange for 24 year old LF Bruce Bochte, 19 year old C Butch Wynegar, 19 year old CF Larry Rush and 23 year old LF John Doherty. The Angels trail the Oakland A's by 4 games in the AL West. This trade gives them a rather impressive rotation of Andy Messersmith(8-7, 2.58), Nolan Ryan(11-6, 3.33), Don Sutton(8-8, 3.45), Frank Tanana(12-3, 3.03) and Andy Hassler(11-2, 3.26) I guess the question now is whether the Angels can overcome their gas can of a Closer Tom Murphy.

10-11-2021, 10:24 AM	#243
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,885 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Closing in on the end of July and Rollie Fingers already has 33 saves on the season. The MLB record for saves is currently 35, so Fingers should shatter that mark and then some. Hank Aaron managed to hit another home run and now has 708. Roberto Clemente pinch hit for the last 2 seasons, but with the introduction of high fatigue, Roberto has been getting regular starts again and he's having a great season. He's hitting .300+ and has 7 or 8 home runs

10-11-2021, 11:01 AM	#244
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,885 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I'm still scratching my head over the Dodgers trading away Don Sutton. It almost has the feel of a team throwing in the towel and giving up. There is no amateur draft in this league, so tanking is useless. The Dodgers lost Tommy John to a career ending injury earlier in 75 and their cupboard of pitching prospects is rather bare. With Sutton's departure, the always a slight breeze away from the injured list Bill Singer takes over as the teams #1 starter. Singer is a good pitcher, but has to stay off the injured list to be of any value. Rick Rhoden is having a nice season so far in 75 and Doug Rau is holding his own. Al Downing is on the downside of his career and I really don't expect too much out of him. The Dodger's 5th starter is currently a "neverplayed' or if he did play, it wasn't for very long. Looks like they will have to wait till 1977 for Mr. Welch to arrive. I so can't wait for free agency to kick in. The combo of no draft and reserve rosters is a way I will probably never use again.

10-23-2021, 01:43 PM	#250
splat58 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 74	How is your 1975 league progressing? Still going?

11-29-2021, 02:27 AM	#253
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	Hey David, I know that you moved on to other sims, but I'm just curious where you left off in this one? How far have you gotten?

11-29-2021, 01:59 PM	#255
splat58 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 74	Did free agency begin after the 1975 season?