Washington Football Team: Missed Opportunity

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by andyhdz

The Morgan Athletic Club (aka Cardinals) would like a word with you.

You mean the amateur Chicago-based athletic team, the Morgan Athletic Club established by Chris O'Brien in 1898? No professional teams have gone by "club."

EDIT: That's one team out of how many? One team doesn't set a precedent.

[Michael Hopcroft]

I personally applaud the name change. But I wondered what should replace the new name.

When this started I saw a lot about calling them the Washington Red Tails to honor the Tuskegee Airmen of WWII. People even made logos for the currently-fictional team. It'd become ingrained into my headcanon.

I wonder what other creative names fans and camera can give Washington before the original rebranding comes out.

[andyhdz]

Originally Posted by cephasjames

You mean the amateur Chicago-based athletic team, the Morgan Athletic Club established by Chris O'Brien in 1898? No professional teams have gone by "club."

EDIT: That's one team out of how many? One team doesn't set a precedent.

Here you go

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...rporate_names/

[Syd Thrift]

The Oakland Athletics, originally the Philadelphia Athletic Club, would like a word. Also like half of all association football teams, so while it’s mildly outdated in baseball it certainly is not unprecedented.

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by andyhdz

Here you go

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...rporate_names/

I stand corrected. Good find. Now find where any one of the clubs has been called a club in the media. American Football does not call their teams clubs even if that's what they're legally called. There is no precedent for it.

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

The Oakland Athletics, originally the Philadelphia Athletic Club, would like a word. Also like half of all association football teams, so while it’s mildly outdated in baseball it certainly is not unprecedented.

So you used baseball and futbol to show that there is precedent for American Football to use the name "club?" No one said "club" isn't used in sports, just American Football.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by cephasjames

So you used baseball and futbol to show that there is precedent for American Football to use the name "club?" No one said "club" isn't used in sports, just American Football.

Did you know that other sports besides American football exist?

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Did you know that other sports besides American football exist?

This conversation isn't about other sports. It's about American football and what is precedent in American football.

[Syd Thrift]

American football can link to precedent from any other major pro sport, not just its own history. And hell, even if it was magically only able to reference itself, a huge part of NFL franchise naming history is either directly naming themselves after the local baseball team (the Giants as well as several teams that no longer exist like the New York / Boston Yankees and the Brooklyn Dodgers) or naming themselves as a play on words (the Bears, who are named after the Cubs). It’s completely in keeping with the history of American football naming conventions to adopt a name like DC United or even Washington FC, to copy the front running team in MLS, not to mention the massive global popularity of teams like Manchester United or Liverpool FC.

But you know, keep moving the goalposts because that is what you do...

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

But you know, keep moving the goalposts because that is what you do...

My goal posts have been the exact same since I first brought up the argument.

Originally Posted by cephasjames

Professional American football people-who-play-together are called "teams," not "clubs." There is no history of them being called clubs so it wouldn't make any sense to call them Washington Football Club.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by cephasjames

My goals post have been the exact same since I first brought up the argument.

There is 100% a history of NFL teams adopting the naming conventions of other leagues. This is a ludicrous argument that implies that when the league expanded in the 90s the Jags and Panthers should have been called something else because no NFL team had ever been called the Jags or Panthers before.

[cephasjames]

It does not matter if professional American football teams have named themselves after teams from other sports, no NFL or professional American football team has ever gone by "club." Ever.

Yes, as has been correctly pointed out in this thread, many NFL teams are legally called clubs. But none of them have ever gone by "club." There has never been, for example, a New York Giants Football Club. It's always referred to as a "team." NFL teams don't go by "club."

EDIT: I mean, on NLF.com they are called "teams." On CBSSports.com they are called "teams." On ESPN.com they are called "teams." And so on. Nobody calls them "clubs" because professional American football teams don't go by "clubs" and they never have gone by "clubs." They go by "teams." Which is why Washington Football Team makes more sense than Washington Football Club as the OP thinks should have been done.

[Antonin]

I don't really understand why some of you guys are so emotionally attached to these Native American-themed sports logos and team names. Most of the people you claim you are "honoring" are gone. There were millions in 1491, but the European "explorers" and colnists wiped out practically all of them.

I'm reminded of something I've heard white supremacists say recently: that North America belongs to them "by right of conquest."

Most sports fans are not white supremacists, but they insist on "honoring" the first Americans (whether or not they want to be "honored") in the same way a hunter "honors" the animal he has killed: by making it into a trophy. By hanging its stuffed head on the wall in his den. It was a good fight against a noble and worthy adversary, but now the fight is over and it's time to pay tribute to that defeated adversary. Note that these images of "Indian as noble savage" usually feature him in proud profile (except for the cartoonish image Cleveland has for its baseball team), with feathers in his hair and war paint on his face.

Why don't sports team owners adopt images that celebrate their OWN cultures???

The Native Americans have been robbed of everything else...at least leave them with their dignity.

[cephasjames]

Thought this was relevant to the OP. Seems they do think football club is an option.

Washington NFL team might change its name and here are some of the options fans are being asked to consider

Here's a list of names Washington fans were asked to choose from (Listed in alphabetical order):

Aces
Ambassadors
Anchors
Archers
Armada
Aviators
Beacons
Belters
Brigade
Commanders
Defenders
Demon Cats
First City Football Club (FCFC)
Griffins
Guardians
Icons
Majors
Monarchs
Pilots
Presidents
Razorbacks
Redtails
Redwolves
Red Hogs
Renegades
Riders
Rising
Royals
Rubies
Swifts
Warriors
Washington DC Football Club (DCFC)
Washington Capital City Football Club (CCFC)
Wayfarers
Wild Hogs
32FC (W32)
Football Team

[Michael Hopcroft]

Originally Posted by cephasjames

Thought this was relevant to the OP. Seems they do think football club is an option.

It's not a bad option, though my first choice would be the Redtiails.

But then I'm in Seahawks country and don't have a say.

It's interesting how the naming conventions in MLS are no longer considered quite as bad as it was thought ten years ago.