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Old 02-15-2021, 07:53 AM   #41
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except pretty much every change is for the betterment of the player, less travel, better facilities, more money...
Just like the 400K that keep their jobs at 35K a year, less travel, better facilities, more money... Not so much for the 600K that lost their jobs.

So yeah it's super great... for some and even greater for those at the top. Not so great for those with even less now
Always nice when you can get the poor to frame job loss in a positive way.
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Old 02-15-2021, 08:02 AM   #42
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That's why I said they were accepted conditionally, based on them getting a new stadium. Thats why they got bumped from MiLB as well... Poor facilities. In the article I linked, it lays out that they have to get funding for a new stadium in order to get their team for 22
Ahhh....guess reading is fundamental . One of my friends works for the Long Island Ducks and we were talking about the minor league shuffle and he was telling me that the league was ready to add Trenton and Hagerstown to get the league back to 8 for this season but Trenton decided to join the MLB Draft League, so they decided to stay with the 6 current teams instead of having an odd number of full time teams and have one travel team, so they are using the new stadium deal to light a fire under the city if they want baseball back. They also were talking with Pawtucket about joining the league, so you could see Hagerstown and Pawtucket in 2022.
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Old 02-15-2021, 10:55 AM   #43
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Ahhh....guess reading is fundamental . One of my friends works for the Long Island Ducks and we were talking about the minor league shuffle and he was telling me that the league was ready to add Trenton and Hagerstown to get the league back to 8 for this season but Trenton decided to join the MLB Draft League, so they decided to stay with the 6 current teams instead of having an odd number of full time teams and have one travel team, so they are using the new stadium deal to light a fire under the city if they want baseball back. They also were talking with Pawtucket about joining the league, so you could see Hagerstown and Pawtucket in 2022.

I'm surprised they aren't interested in some of the old Sally Cities... they've got High Point and Gastonia set off by themselves
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Old 02-15-2021, 11:40 AM   #44
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One of the reasons I won't upgrade (there are far greater ones, though), I like the minors and all the teams as they are. This was a garbage decision by MLB.
What does that have to do with OOTP? If you already have a save you can keep the current MiLB structure, And if you start a new game I'm sure you will have a choice of which structure to use. I can not speak to your other issues since I do not know them.
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Old 02-15-2021, 01:31 PM   #45
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I can't believe they actually did away with the leagues. Does this mean that in OOTP 22 MLB games there will no longer be multiple leagues per level?

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...onal-alignment



first thanks for the info...

my read was that they are probably gonna slap the traditional names onto whatever makes sense.

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Old 02-15-2021, 01:38 PM   #46
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The new Minors set up is for some reason very interesting to me.
I can’t wait to see it in next year’s OOTP

not gonna lie... Nashville Sounds being in same division with regional teams instead of west coast teams and such is gonna be nice.


Although there was a lot of promotional stuff between Nashville and Round Rock (Texas) which was nice.
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I'm surprised they aren't interested in some of the old Sally Cities... they've got High Point and Gastonia set off by themselves
I am sure they will look maybe West Virginia, Virginia and Maryland for the future teams, but they have done pretty well with 8 teams over the last decade, so I don't expect them to try and get as big as the American Association or Frontier League. They used to have a team sitting down in Texas, so they are used to the travel. I am excited to see how they evolve over the next few seasons. I have a soft spot for the Indy Leagues since I work on the rosters for them
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I am sure they will look maybe West Virginia, Virginia and Maryland for the future teams, but they have done pretty well with 8 teams over the last decade, so I don't expect them to try and get as big as the American Association or Frontier League. They used to have a team sitting down in Texas, so they are used to the travel. I am excited to see how they evolve over the next few seasons. I have a soft spot for the Indy Leagues since I work on the rosters for them
this new minor league setup seems like it will start a huge uptick for Indy baseball quality for sure, with more talent available to them now. Especially with MLB organizations hard capped at 180 players (190 in the offseason)
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not gonna lie... Nashville Sounds being in same division with regional teams instead of west coast teams and such is gonna be nice.


Although there was a lot of promotional stuff between Nashville and Round Rock (Texas) which was nice.
I like that idea too, I'm a Cardinals fan who's transplanted to Charlotte. Now Memphis is in the same division as Charlotte which will be fun
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except pretty much every change is for the betterment of the player, less travel, better facilities, more money...
Sure, the players that are left get better everything. Fun when you slash 40% of the workforce.
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Sure, the players that are left get better everything. Fun when you slash 40% of the workforce.
I get what you're saying, but I don't really agree with you. minor league baseball is no different than any other business. If 40% of the work force(btw are you really sure it's 40%?) does not really have an impact and they perform redundant tasks, it absolutely makes sense to cut them and distribute the savings to the workers that actually do have an impact.
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Old 02-15-2021, 03:22 PM   #52
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I get what you're saying, but I don't really agree with you. minor league baseball is no different than any other business. If 40% of the work force(btw are you really sure it's 40%?) does not really have an impact and they perform redundant tasks, it absolutely makes sense to cut them and distribute the savings to the workers that actually do have an impact.
It's sad, but you're right. Many baseball fans don't stop to think that a very large portion of minor league baseball players were only employed to give a likely smaller portion someone to play against. If every player on every minor league roster was viewed as a future MLB asset, this MiLB contraction wouldn't be happening.
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Sure, the players that are left get better everything. Fun when you slash 40% of the workforce.
Please show me stats that back up the 40% fake news? Most teams lost 1 minor league team... a couple lost 2. 40 teams cut total out of the 200+ teams. My math puts that number right around 20%. And that 20% was absolutely and completely redundant and they have more jon affiliated options than they did before to stay in the game.
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It's sad, but you're right. Many baseball fans don't stop to think that a very large portion of minor league baseball players were only employed to give a likely smaller portion someone to play against. If every player on every minor league roster was viewed as a future MLB asset, this MiLB contraction wouldn't be happening.
One of the better responses in this thread. Fans don't care about the backup catcher or long reliever on a rookie short season team. That guy basically is going to be incredibly lucky just to get to full season ball, much less see the Show
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One of the reasons I won't upgrade (there are far greater ones, though), I like the minors and all the teams as they are. This was a garbage decision by MLB.
I hated the minors the way they were. For years, the first thing I always did with a save was reconfigure the minors to a simple, uniform structure. Very similar to these current plans.
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I hated the minors the way they were. For years, the first thing I always did with a save was reconfigure the minors to a simple, uniform structure. Very similar to these current plans.
Same, really (although I play mostly fictional, so I just did that from the start).
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I hated the minors the way they were. For years, the first thing I always did with a save was reconfigure the minors to a simple, uniform structure. Very similar to these current plans.
And along those same lines, next year people are free to re-name the minor league structure whatever names they choose.

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One of the better responses in this thread. Fans don't care about the backup catcher or long reliever on a rookie short season team. That guy basically is going to be incredibly lucky just to get to full season ball, much less see the Show
Right, and it's not just those "end of the roster/bench" positions. There are guys who get 400 at bats or 130 innings and are just filling a spot so other guys with promise have teammates and opponents to play against. They are more numerous at the lower levels, but there are guys at Double-A and Triple-A who have played regularly, but have never been in consideration for a 40-man roster spot because they simply aren't good enough.
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:15 AM   #59
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Just like the 400K that keep their jobs at 35K a year, less travel, better facilities, more money... Not so much for the 600K that lost their jobs.

So yeah it's super great... for some and even greater for those at the top. Not so great for those with even less now
Always nice when you can get the poor to frame job loss in a positive way.
Where on earth are you getting this from? About 20% of players were cut for a much larger increase in wage. Those 20% are almost all depth guys that might have 1-3 year careers. Stop trying to insert the current real-world situation where it doesn't apply.
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Don’t forget that full season ball did not change. All they got rid of was short season teams. Most guys that played in short season never made full season ball anyway
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