BREAKING: MLB announces changes to minor league structure featuring 120-team regional alignment - Page 2

Cryomaniac · 02-13-2021, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip

For naming rights, I've got my digits crossed that the Automobile Association of America sponsors the top minor league so that it will be the:

AAA AAA

Don't give them ideas.

And, to be honest, this needed to be done, although I get why there are reasons people wont like it. The system was a bloated confusing mess, and, although this isn't exactly what I would have done (which is replicate the default OOTP system, with 5 levels, 2 (sub-)leagues at each level, same number of teams per league, etc), it's not massively far off.

BaseballGOAT · 02-13-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Goalie39

Im excited to see how OOTP 22 is going to add these changes into the game. I really love playing the indy leagues. I cant wait to seeing how these changes translate to OOTP 22.

Wonder if their will be a choice in custom leagues to add a partner indy league or just adding a unaffiliated indy league. How will the college game change? Will there be a way to create the Appalachian League in a custom game? And how will the Dreamer League work in OOTP?

For how this affects real life baseball, i agree that its rough now but long term this is a better plan for MLB. The real question is will MLB continue to support the partner indy leagues or was this just a PR stunt to save face with fans. Its horrible for these towns to lose their local team. I'm kinda shocked more new partner leagues weren't created to help with this mess (like Hagerstown, WVa, and some of the NY-Penn teams could create a regional league).

Can't wait to hear the announcement for OOTP 22!

Hagerstown is joining the Atlantic league dependent on getting a new stadium.

https://www.journal-news.net/journal...72346e159.html

Art Deco · 02-13-2021, 06:47 PM

Speaking of changes for 22, I wonder if OOTP22 will incorporate the new "dead ball" to be used in MLB.

bailey · 02-13-2021, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Calvert98

Anyone know generally or guess why this was done?

My guess is "money".

To be fair, I've been playing OOTP this way for years, i.e. with 4 levels of minors (and the international complex).

Calvert98 · 02-13-2021, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

In exchange for upping the pay across the board at all levels of the minor leagues, MLB is streamlining the developmental system. Less players actually ends up possibly being better for the players. Instead of being stuck in short season ball for 2 or 3 seasons and then released... now players will go to the Indy leagues and have a chance to show all 30 teams what they can do vs trying to impress that one team that owns their rights. MLB also weeded out some of the teams with substandard facilities. Lastly, teams tried to use some common sense this time on where their minor league teams are at. No more situations like the Nats having their AAA team all the way across the country in Fresno

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Interesting. Thanks for that breakdown; that all makes sense.

-Cal

Calvert98 · 02-13-2021, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Art Deco

Speaking of changes for 22, I wonder if OOTP22 will incorporate the new "dead ball" to be used in MLB.

Ok, got-a ask. Is that real?

Is there now talk about doing something about the juiced-ball they introduced mind-2015?

-Cal

BaseballGOAT · 02-13-2021, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Calvert98

Ok, got-a ask. Is that real?

Is there now talk about doing something about the juiced-ball they introduced mind-2015?

-Cal

Yes Manfred announced the ball is being changed to be more dead

jpeters1734 · 02-13-2021, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Yes Manfred announced the ball is being changed to be more dead

Actually, I believe that the ball "bounciness" rating standard was tightening up, meaning less variance.

Sabres2000 · 02-13-2021, 10:44 PM

so are these divisions within leagues or 2 seperate leagues within AAA type thing?

Calvert98 · 02-13-2021, 10:53 PM

Thanks guys for the note on the new / return to the old, baseball.

At least for me, I'm glad to hear that.

-Cal

Sabres2000 · 02-13-2021, 10:58 PM

i guess that gets rid of the rookie ball too

BaseballGOAT · 02-14-2021, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabres2000

so are these divisions within leagues or 2 seperate leagues within AAA type thing?

TBD. They just got all 120 teams signed on for the new minor leagues. So the next key step was to have some system in place even if its a placeholder bc AAA teams are beginning play in about 6 to 7 weeks. So teams needed a schedule to be ready.

There are still rookie leagues. The Gulf coast league, the Arizona league and the Dominican summer league are still around

darkcloud4579 · 02-14-2021, 12:42 AM

One of the reasons I won't upgrade (there are far greater ones, though), I like the minors and all the teams as they are. This was a garbage decision by MLB.

BaseballGOAT · 02-14-2021, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by darkcloud4579

One of the reasons I won't upgrade (there are far greater ones, though), I like the minors and all the teams as they are. This was a garbage decision by MLB.

Better pay for players, less travel for players. Minor league owners now have rules they have to abide by for the facilities ... these are all huge wins for minor league players. The only cost is is a few jobs that weren't prospects but just organizational filler. Win! How many teams have actually lost baseball? So the local cities aren't greatly affected either. Appalachian league and Pioneer league totally saved just different setup now. Big chunk of the NYP league the same. Kane County, Tri City and Hagerstown to the indies. Teams will have stability in their association with MLB teams now with decade long contracts. I don't see hardly anything bad from this

MikeS21 · 02-14-2021, 06:59 AM

Personally, the minors is the most important part of the game for me. I always add an additional development league or two. As long as I can continue to add minor leagues/teams to develop prospects, I will be fine with however this gets handed.

tejdog1 · 02-14-2021, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Calvert98

Anyone know generally or guess why this was done?

Yeah, because billionaire owners are lowlife cheapskate scum and didn't want to pay minor leaguers actual living wage. So they cut out tons of teams, eliminating players, to raise pay for those who are left.

Example (remember, no union):

I employee 1,000,000 people and pay them $15,000 a year ($15 billion) - people complain 15k a year is sub living wage. Protest, threaten to boycott, public activism, etc... so I decide to cut 600k jobs and pay my remaining employees $35,000 a year ($14 billion).

That's what's happening here.

BaseballGOAT · 02-14-2021, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

Yeah, because billionaire owners are lowlife cheapskate scum and didn't want to pay minor leaguers actual living wage. So they cut out tons of teams, eliminating players, to raise pay for those who are left.

Example (remember, no union):

I employee 1,000,000 people and pay them $15,000 a year ($15 billion) - people complain 15k a year is sub living wage. Protest, threaten to boycott, public activism, etc... so I decide to cut 600k jobs and pay my remaining employees $35,000 a year ($14 billion).

That's what's happening here.

except pretty much every change is for the betterment of the player, less travel, better facilities, more money...

ohiodevil · 02-14-2021, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Hagerstown is joining the Atlantic league dependent on getting a new stadium.

https://www.journal-news.net/journal...72346e159.html

Not for the 2021 season they aren't. The Atlantic League will go with the 6 teams they currently have for the 2021 season and may expand in 2022 if they find the right fits....but the people I know that work for organizations in the Atlantic League said the league wants to get back to 8 teams in 2022 and to 12 by 2025 if they find the right fits, they won't just add teams to add teams.

ohiodevil · 02-14-2021, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabres2000

i guess that gets rid of the rookie ball too

The Rookie levels are going to still be played at the Spring Training sites, so the GCL and AZL are still in tact and I believe the Dominican Summer League is also still going to stay, but the other Rookie and Short-Season leagues are no more.

BaseballGOAT · 02-15-2021, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiodevil

Not for the 2021 season they aren't. The Atlantic League will go with the 6 teams they currently have for the 2021 season and may expand in 2022 if they find the right fits....but the people I know that work for organizations in the Atlantic League said the league wants to get back to 8 teams in 2022 and to 12 by 2025 if they find the right fits, they won't just add teams to add teams.

That's why I said they were accepted conditionally, based on them getting a new stadium. Thats why they got bumped from MiLB as well... Poor facilities. In the article I linked, it lays out that they have to get funding for a new stadium in order to get their team for 22

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Art Deco Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 7,286	Speaking of changes for 22, I wonder if OOTP22 will incorporate the new "dead ball" to be used in MLB.

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Sabres2000 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,009	so are these divisions within leagues or 2 seperate leagues within AAA type thing?

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Calvert98 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 579	Thanks guys for the note on the new / return to the old, baseball. At least for me, I'm glad to hear that. -Cal

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Sabres2000 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,009	i guess that gets rid of the rookie ball too

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darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,659	One of the reasons I won't upgrade (there are far greater ones, though), I like the minors and all the teams as they are. This was a garbage decision by MLB.

02-14-2021, 06:59 AM	#35
MikeS21 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 276	Personally, the minors is the most important part of the game for me. I always add an additional development league or two. As long as I can continue to add minor leagues/teams to develop prospects, I will be fine with however this gets handed.