WPA Graphs in OOTP 17 Box Scores (a.k.a. Matt for President) - Page 3

Le Grande Orange · 03-03-2016, 03:49 PM

Ah, Win Probability Added. That makes more sense. At first I was wondering what graphs of the Works Progress Administration had to do with OOTP.

tejdog1 · 03-03-2016, 06:00 PM

Damn the game recap reads like a legit game recap. Whoever did that deserves a kiss.

ToTheBackstop · 03-03-2016, 06:48 PM

The addition of WPA graphs is huge! (This is something that I requested for consideration in my very first forum post, so I'm particularly excited / thrilled.) Many, many thanks to Matt Arnold!

I'd like to humbly suggest that this feature get highlighted on the OOTP 17 feature page -- it's a terrific selling point, particularly for the Baseball-Reference/Fangraphs crowd.

swoboda · 03-03-2016, 08:03 PM

Very nice addition

tejdog1 · 03-03-2016, 08:45 PM

This one in particular makes me smile
Graph Linker | FanGraphs Baseball

actionjackson · 03-03-2016, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

This one in particular makes me smile
Graph Linker | FanGraphs Baseball

I'd love to see the WPA graph for this game. It was one of those games where the old Jack Buck quote from Kirk Gibson's shot off Eck in Game 1 of the 1988 World Series: "I don't believe what I just saw!" was quite apropos.

kungfupandacam · 03-03-2016, 09:03 PM

I vote Matt in my primary coming up soon(AKA Super Saturday)

The Wolf · 03-03-2016, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

I'd love to see the WPA graph for this game. It was one of those games where the old Jack Buck quote from Kirk Gibson's shot off Eck in Game 1 of the 1988 World Series: "I don't believe what I just saw!" was quite apropos.

"One of the most remarkable finishes to any World Series Game...a one-handed home run by Kirk Gibson! And the Dodgers have won it...five to four; and I'm stunned, Bill. I have seen a lot of dramatic finishes in a lot of sports, but this one might top almost every other!"

seven · 03-03-2016, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

This is already fixed in the latest version of the database.

Fixing the database, I think, will mean that Springer is listed there as (usually) playing RF. But what if he is shifted to a different position for a game? Will the recap use what is in the database for his position, or will it use what he actually played in that game?

pstrickert · 03-03-2016, 10:24 PM

It refers to him by the position he played in the game.

seven · 03-03-2016, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

It refers to him by the position he played in the game.

Outstanding!

kq76 · 03-03-2016, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

This one in particular makes me smile
Graph Linker | FanGraphs Baseball

I had assumed the home team was always on the bottom, which would make sense given our pre-existing understanding of boxscores, but your link indicates that may not be the case. Or is it just a mistake?

EDIT: Looking at a bunch more on google it appears FanGraphs has the home team on the top. I greatly prefer Matt's, but I do prefer having y-axis labels.

Matt Arnold · 03-03-2016, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

I had assumed the home team was always on the bottom, which would make sense given our pre-existing understanding of boxscores, but your link indicates that may not be the case. Or is it just a mistake?

EDIT: Looking at a bunch more on google it appears FanGraphs has the home team on the top. I greatly prefer Matt's, but I do prefer having y-axis labels.

Yeah, I figured it made more sense, so we're always home team on bottom. And there are labels. And the lines will be team colours if possible. And if that's still confusing, most of the time I look at it just to get a sense, did one team come back in the game, etc...

Matt Arnold · 03-03-2016, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

It refers to him by the position he played in the game.

Most of the time

Hammercraft · 03-03-2016, 11:34 PM

That's a pretty incredible addition. This game gets better all the time

Orcin · 03-04-2016, 09:37 AM

I love the recap, and hate the graph.

bwburke94 · 03-04-2016, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

I'd love to see the WPA graph for this game. It was one of those games where the old Jack Buck quote from Kirk Gibson's shot off Eck in Game 1 of the 1988 World Series: "I don't believe what I just saw!" was quite apropos.

The page you linked to includes a WPA graph...

Hammercraft · 03-04-2016, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

I love the recap, and hate the graph.

Are you familiar with the probability graphs? They use them over at Fangraphs and it's really fascinating to see how the odds play out - especially where a manager calls for a sacrifice bunt, the team executes it correctly, and their odds of winning go down...

actionjackson · 03-04-2016, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

The page you linked to includes a WPA graph...

D'oh!!!

EDIT: That graph's a thing of beauty though.

kungfupandacam · 03-04-2016, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

The page you linked to includes a WPA graph...

Jackson, you just got burked. OH!!!!!!!!

03-03-2016, 03:49 PM	#41
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	Ah, Win Probability Added. That makes more sense. At first I was wondering what graphs of the Works Progress Administration had to do with OOTP. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 03-04-2016 at 07:52 PM.

03-03-2016, 06:00 PM	#42
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,654	Damn the game recap reads like a legit game recap. Whoever did that deserves a kiss. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

03-03-2016, 08:03 PM	#44
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,230	Very nice addition __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

03-03-2016, 08:45 PM	#45
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,654	This one in particular makes me smile Graph Linker \| FanGraphs Baseball __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

03-03-2016, 06:48 PM	#43
ToTheBackstop Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 151	The addition of WPA graphs is huge! (This is something that I requested for consideration in my very first forum post, so I'm particularly excited / thrilled.) Many, many thanks to Matt Arnold! I'd like to humbly suggest that this feature get highlighted on the OOTP 17 feature page -- it's a terrific selling point, particularly for the Baseball-Reference/Fangraphs crowd.

03-03-2016, 09:03 PM	#47
kungfupandacam Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 70	I vote Matt in my primary coming up soon(AKA Super Saturday)

03-03-2016, 10:24 PM	#50
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 17,008	It refers to him by the position he played in the game.

03-03-2016, 11:34 PM	#55
Hammercraft All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 728	That's a pretty incredible addition. This game gets better all the time

03-04-2016, 09:37 AM	#56
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,883	I love the recap, and hate the graph.