March Madness - Page 3

jaxmagicman · 03-13-2009, 12:23 AM

Finally over. It didn't get to 7 overtimes like the longest game ever. But it was at least the longest shot clock era game ever.

Prodigal Son · 03-13-2009, 04:49 AM

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Where in the world to you come up with this? There are over 340 D1 basketball teams and it is sorted down to 65 teams by mid March. How do the 30 games not matter? Each year there are 28 at large teams that make the tourny, these at large teams make the tourny based upon their regular season performance.

What is the worst seed to ever win the NCAA tournament?

bababui · 03-13-2009, 06:01 AM

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What is the worst seed to ever win the NCAA tournament?

Wasnt Villanova a 9th seed when they won it?

jbergey22 · 03-13-2009, 10:52 AM

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What is the worst seed to ever win the NCAA tournament?

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Wasnt Villanova a 9th seed when they won it?

You were very close they were an 8 seed.

Continue you on PS I want so see what your point is.

To help you out on the other side

Six teams, since the beginning of the seeding process, have entered the tournament ranked #1 in at least 1 poll and gone on to win the tournament:

1982: North Carolina

1992: Duke

1995: UCLA

2000: Michigan State

2001: Duke

2007: Florida

Prodigal Son · 03-13-2009, 02:04 PM

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Continue you on PS I want so see what your point is.

You could cut the tournament field in half and still equally effectively determine the best team in the nation.

Michael Hopcroft · 03-13-2009, 02:12 PM

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You could cut the tournament field in half and still equally effectively determine the best team in the nation.

I don't think anyone really doubts that. But there are two other factors that drive the tourney, one openly and one covert. The open factor is television -- the tournament is the biggest showcase college basketball has.

The covert factor is gambling. How many offices have illegal pools based on how their brackets play out? How much money is wagered on specific games? The NCAA publicly tries to discourage such behavior, but you know much of the interest in the tournament is generated by the innumerable forms of wagering on it. It's just like the Super Bowl being the biggest event of the year in the Vegas sports books.

jbergey22 · 03-13-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

You could cut the tournament field in half and still equally effectively determine the best team in the nation.

This is true but Im not seeing too many people complaining about having more games to watch or play. There is really no reason to cut the field in half if no one is complaining about it IMO. The higher seeds love the opportunity to show what they can do(for recruiting and general exposure) and they help weed out the lower seeds that didnt come to play.

By cutting the field who does it benefit?

The fans lose out, the smaller schools lose out, many bigger schools will lose out on income for what reason??? I dont see how anyone wins by cutting back on the tourny.

Basketball works perfect for a tourny like this as you can play every day if you needed to and it seems to be working just fine as generally the top teams to advance BUT it does weed out the underserving on occasion. You must really hate the way tennis does their majors Id guess as you could cut that field to 4 to find the players that could actually win especially now that Nadal has proven he can win anywhere.

jbergey22 · 03-13-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Hopcroft

I don't think anyone really doubts that. But there are two other factors that drive the tourney, one openly and one covert. The open factor is television -- the tournament is the biggest showcase college basketball has.

The covert factor is gambling. How many offices have illegal pools based on how their brackets play out? How much money is wagered on specific games? The NCAA publicly tries to discourage such behavior, but you know much of the interest in the tournament is generated by the innumerable forms of wagering on it. It's just like the Super Bowl being the biggest event of the year in the Vegas sports books.

As well as this

Prodigal Son · 03-13-2009, 03:16 PM

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By cutting the field who does it benefit?

The regular season and competitive integrity. By your logic, we might as well just have a ten-game "preseason" and then a double-elimination 256-team tournament and call it a year.

rudel.dietrich · 03-13-2009, 03:35 PM

I think the NCAA baseball tournement has the perfect blend of keeping the tournement small enough to be manageable and with enough games to give a good idea or who the best team is.

KurtBevacqua · 03-13-2009, 04:02 PM

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I have actually said it a million times. I love the BCS, it gurantees that no team will come out of nowhere. It means the entire season means something not just the last month when a team got hot.

Unless you are a team like Utah that defeats several ranked teams, goes undefeated in a conference easily better than a couple BCS conferences, and you wipe the floor with what was allegedly a superior, national title contending BCS school that put up a better effort against the supposed BCS crowned champs. Then the regular season means absolutely nothing.

jbergey22 · 03-13-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

The regular season and competitive integrity. By your logic, we might as well just have a ten-game "preseason" and then a double-elimination 256-team tournament and call it a year.

My logic says if its not broke why mess with it. Its one of the most popular events in the US and you want to cut it in half because of "competitive integrity." Less than 20% of the teams make the tourny so Im not seeing how it is hurting the regular season one bit.

Prodigal Son · 03-13-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

My logic says if its not broke why mess with it. Its one of the most popular events in the US and you want to cut it in half because of "competitive integrity." Less than 20% of the teams make the tourny so Im not seeing how it is hurting the regular season one bit.

Just like you said, the TOURNAMENT is one of the most popular events in the U.S. It's the buzz of every office for a couple of weeks, when tourney games games gather big TV crowds (and often tiny in-person crowds). Of course, this comes after all but college kids and the most diehard of hoops fans sleep through the entire regular season.

jbergey22 · 03-13-2009, 06:17 PM

Are you sure you arent talking about NBA basketball or Major League Baseball? If you think the college basketball regular season puts you to sleep I'm not sure what you are looking for in a sport. The intensity of the Big East this year was unmatched. They had 12 of the top 50 teams in basketball fighting for 7-8 spots in this tourny. I dont know any other sports where 30-40 teams can gain or lose a spot in the tourny based on a win or a loss this late in the year. On that note I am getting out of this argument and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Prodigal Son · 03-13-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Are you sure you arent talking about NBA basketball or Major League Baseball? If you think the college basketball regular season puts you to sleep maybe you arent as diehard as you think. The intensity of the Big East this year was unmatched. They had 12 of the top 50 teams in basketball fighting for 7-8 spots in this tourny. I dont know any other sports where 30-40 teams can gain or lose a spot in the tourny based on a win or a loss this late in the year. On that note I am getting out of this argument and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm not diehard. Neither is anyone else. There were probably 50 college football games this year that had better TV ratings than the third highest-rated NCAA hoops game. There will be first-round NCAA games between teams that have zero chance of winning that will draw more viewers than the number who watched regular season games between top-25 teams.

There were high school games that were really exciting this year too. Nobody watched those either.

jbergey22 · 03-13-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

I'm not diehard. Neither is anyone else. There were probably 50 college football games this year that had better TV ratings than the third highest-rated NCAA hoops game. There will be first-round NCAA games between teams that have zero chance of winning that will draw more viewers than the number who watched regular season games between top-25 teams.

There were high school games that were really exciting this year too. Nobody watched those either.

You cant compare basketball and football. Football is a much more popular sport and their season is only played on Saturdays(mostly) and they only have an 11 game regular season.

Its like comparing a MLB baseball game to an NFL game.

Where exactly are you getting your information? You honestly think North Carolina vs Alcorn St in the NCAA tourny will draw better than either of the Duke/North Carolina games this year or the UConn/Syracuse games?

Prodigal Son · 03-13-2009, 06:37 PM

I'd like to find the TV ratings for something like the UConn/Syracuse game.

jbergey22 · 03-13-2009, 06:42 PM

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I'd like to find the TV ratings for something like the UConn/Syracuse game.

Its called exposure. You are making comparisons on who is watching these games without realizing many games arent available to more than 1/3 the country. UConn/Syracuse get ESPN coverage as does Duke/North Carolina. Since all of the NCAA tourny is available through CBS it seems likely that much of what you say is true but has more to do with availability than it does interest level.

Prodigal Son · 03-13-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Its called exposure. You are making comparisons on who is watching these games without realizing many games arent available to more than 1/3 the country. UConn/Syracuse get ESPN coverage as does Duke/North Carolina. Since all of the NCAA tourny is available through CBS it seems likely that much of what you say is true but has more to do with availability than it does interest level.

Availability is the product of interest level.

jbergey22 · 03-13-2009, 07:13 PM

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Availability is the product of interest level.

Tell that to Big 10 fans who have been fighting cable companies the past 2 years.

03-13-2009, 12:23 AM	#41
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Finally over. It didn't get to 7 overtimes like the longest game ever. But it was at least the longest shot clock era game ever. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

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jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Are you sure you arent talking about NBA basketball or Major League Baseball? If you think the college basketball regular season puts you to sleep I'm not sure what you are looking for in a sport. The intensity of the Big East this year was unmatched. They had 12 of the top 50 teams in basketball fighting for 7-8 spots in this tourny. I dont know any other sports where 30-40 teams can gain or lose a spot in the tourny based on a win or a loss this late in the year. On that note I am getting out of this argument and we'll just have to agree to disagree. Last edited by jbergey22; 03-13-2009 at 06:21 PM.

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rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	I think the NCAA baseball tournement has the perfect blend of keeping the tournement small enough to be manageable and with enough games to give a good idea or who the best team is.

03-13-2009, 06:37 PM	#57
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	I'd like to find the TV ratings for something like the UConn/Syracuse game.