Is a championship really so important? - Page 3

DamnYankees · 10-31-2006, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Therefore it's not a debate. It's more of a "what do you feel" kind of question.

Correct.

Jordan · 10-31-2006, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Didn't somebody once say that it's like kissing your sister?

Yes. But what did you really do? Did you really even play? What was the point?

I'm sort of confusing myself with my own question.

DamnYankees · 10-31-2006, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Didn't somebody once say that it's like kissing your sister?

George Brett, IIRC.

1998 Yankees · 10-31-2006, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan

Yes. But what did you really do? Did you really even play? What was the point?

I'm sort of confusing myself with my own question.

This post, paragraph one, will show you the light, my son.

TheCartel · 10-31-2006, 07:07 PM

So I thank the thread starter, as this ultimately will provide me some entertainment and thought provoking answers on a rather boring day. Winning, in the end, is what matters, end of story.

However, what winning is considered as is open to interpretation. Say you've never won a world series for example, thats your ultimate goal. Say you have won 3 in 12 years, your ultimate goal might not be winning the world series but becoming a dynasty. A dynasty can be open to interpretation as well. In my opinion the Yankees have been a dynasty even the last 6 years, where they havent even won a title.

Everything is relative. I know in my experience, playing OOTP, that once you win a title, it doesnt neccesarily seem to be your sole focus. Im more of a stathead in that I enjoy the statistics and records of the game, and winning in different ways, then having no competition and rolling over the competing teams year after year. In the end the goal is to build a legacy, something to be remembered by. Take for example, the Braves, who were a definitie dynasty in my humble opinion. 14 straight titles, no world series victory. Yet they are still a dynasty. Fans wish that they would have won atleast one title out of all of those, but Im sure they are more then plenty satisfied with winning the division 14 straight years and having great players to follow year after year.

If we're talking about individually, nothing else matters but the title. Any *good* athlete will tell you this, if you dont win the title, you didnt succeed. Being a fan or GM in an online league is completely different. But personally, I know that in all of my years of competitive sports, if I wasnt at the top of my league, it was not acceptable, UNLESS we won a title. Its all that matters in the end.

<Pion> · 10-31-2006, 07:24 PM

Winning is not everything

TheCartel · 10-31-2006, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by <Pion>

Winning is not everything

In real life it is. Or maybe you dont have the competitive spirit that is needed to win in REAL sports. Can you quantify how winning is not everything in a real life sport?

Cowboys3356 · 10-31-2006, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

Am I weird for really not thinking championships are all that important?

Yes you are weird. In life there are winners and losers...championships are the dividing line between them so whether it is a business deal or the World Series someone will win and someone will lose.

Cowboys3356 · 10-31-2006, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by <Pion>

Winning is not everything

Ah the mantra of losers everywhere!

TheCartel · 10-31-2006, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

Ah the mantra of losers everywhere!

hahahahahha!

Skipaway · 10-31-2006, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCartel

In real life it is. Or maybe you dont have the competitive spirit that is needed to win in REAL sports. Can you quantify how winning is not everything in a real life sport?

Is jogging a real life sport?

TheCartel · 10-31-2006, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Is jogging a real life sport?

You dont strive for greatness in jogging? Any sport you strive to be the best. Not your best, THE best. With the right amount of work, ANYTHING, absolutely anything, is possible.

JDOldSchool · 10-31-2006, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan

I agree with the notion that winning is the most important thing in American sports.

But what is the consensus on draws? You didn't win, but you didn't lose. So what did you do?

You lost.

I think I'm only just now getting into hockey because ties are gone. To play, but not to a finish, is just completely asinine. I'm glad the NFL only has a tie every few years.

edog23 · 11-01-2006, 01:04 AM

To me, winning never gets old. I play city league softball 3 times a week on 3 different teams and I'm out there to win....period. Outside of that, I'd love to see my favorite teams win every year but if they just make the playoffs, I'd be happy with that.

Jonzard · 11-01-2006, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCartel

You dont strive for greatness in jogging? Any sport you strive to be the best. Not your best, THE best. With the right amount of work, ANYTHING, absolutely anything, is possible.

So with the right amount of work I can be the best center in the NBA!? That would be quite the feat for a 6'0" man like myself.

Syd Thrift · 11-01-2006, 01:52 AM

My first thought reading this thread is that LL is up to his old tricks again. The problem is, even with Rob in Phoenix he only trots out one alias at a time. I can't for the life of me figure out which one of y'all is LL being silly and which of you are being serious.

ctorg · 11-01-2006, 07:57 AM

Here's how I see it for real baseball (slightly different from OOTP):

The top goal is putting fans in the seats (either at the stadium or on their couches), and the best way to do that is to win games, so those two goals go together very harmoniously. A championship is a way of building your team's mythology up, and it brings in more interest and fans.

These are the top goals, but they are not the only goals. Surely having a special player - a franchise player - accounts for something. It gives the team a face, an identity.

As for OOTP, the goal is whatever you want it to be. You don't have to play to win. You can play to watch old guys perform badly if you want, or to accomplish the ultimate goal of collecting all players with a last name beginning with E. There's no money at stake and no one but you will ultimately care.

jeheinz72 · 11-01-2006, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by <Pion>

Winning is not everything

In your opinion. In mine, it is everything.

I'd have no problem with the Giants winning the series every season, even if it was a largely different cast of guys each year. I wouldn't care, my team won.

In OOTP, I try to win, plain and simple. Are there certain guys I hang onto? Sure, but that leads to the notion of perceived value. My value on the player is higher than that of the league. Would I *never* deal that player? No. I'll deal anyone, someone just has to pay my price. Even my favorite player, in TWB, the same league DY mentions, was put on the block this past season.

TheCartel · 11-01-2006, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edog23

To me, winning never gets old. I play city league softball 3 times a week on 3 different teams and I'm out there to win....period. Outside of that, I'd love to see my favorite teams win every year but if they just make the playoffs, I'd be happy with that.

This is what Im talking about. Finally a REAL competitior chimes in. Its in the blood, some people have it, and some people play sports casually, even at the highest levels. A competitor, at any level, of anything, ALWAYS settles for nothing less then a win.

As a fan, I agree as well, you want to see your team win it all, but you'd be happy with a successful season.

TheCartel · 11-01-2006, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonzard

So with the right amount of work I can be the best center in the NBA!? That would be quite the feat for a 6'0" man like myself.

See Ben Wallace and Charles Barkley for examples. Hugely undersized players dominating the center position. Barkley was 6'4". Its just different people have to put in different amounts of work to get to the same level. Some are blessed with natural ability and they dont have to work hard at all. Others dont have that natural ability, to the same extent, so they have to work 15 times harder to get to the same place.

Anything is possible

11-01-2006, 07:57 AM	#57
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Here's how I see it for real baseball (slightly different from OOTP): The top goal is putting fans in the seats (either at the stadium or on their couches), and the best way to do that is to win games, so those two goals go together very harmoniously. A championship is a way of building your team's mythology up, and it brings in more interest and fans. These are the top goals, but they are not the only goals. Surely having a special player - a franchise player - accounts for something. It gives the team a face, an identity. As for OOTP, the goal is whatever you want it to be. You don't have to play to win. You can play to watch old guys perform badly if you want, or to accomplish the ultimate goal of collecting all players with a last name beginning with E. There's no money at stake and no one but you will ultimately care. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

10-31-2006, 07:07 PM	#45
TheCartel Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 59	So I thank the thread starter, as this ultimately will provide me some entertainment and thought provoking answers on a rather boring day. Winning, in the end, is what matters, end of story. However, what winning is considered as is open to interpretation. Say you've never won a world series for example, thats your ultimate goal. Say you have won 3 in 12 years, your ultimate goal might not be winning the world series but becoming a dynasty. A dynasty can be open to interpretation as well. In my opinion the Yankees have been a dynasty even the last 6 years, where they havent even won a title. Everything is relative. I know in my experience, playing OOTP, that once you win a title, it doesnt neccesarily seem to be your sole focus. Im more of a stathead in that I enjoy the statistics and records of the game, and winning in different ways, then having no competition and rolling over the competing teams year after year. In the end the goal is to build a legacy, something to be remembered by. Take for example, the Braves, who were a definitie dynasty in my humble opinion. 14 straight titles, no world series victory. Yet they are still a dynasty. Fans wish that they would have won atleast one title out of all of those, but Im sure they are more then plenty satisfied with winning the division 14 straight years and having great players to follow year after year. If we're talking about individually, nothing else matters but the title. Any good athlete will tell you this, if you dont win the title, you didnt succeed. Being a fan or GM in an online league is completely different. But personally, I know that in all of my years of competitive sports, if I wasnt at the top of my league, it was not acceptable, UNLESS we won a title. Its all that matters in the end.

10-31-2006, 07:24 PM	#46
<Pion> All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,428	Winning is not everything

11-01-2006, 01:04 AM	#54
edog23 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Santa Rosa, CA. Posts: 493	To me, winning never gets old. I play city league softball 3 times a week on 3 different teams and I'm out there to win....period. Outside of that, I'd love to see my favorite teams win every year but if they just make the playoffs, I'd be happy with that.