Macha fired by the A's - Page 2

Green & Gold Heart · 10-17-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBambino

Figured this was coming. He hasnt won anything of substance(a la a ws title)

It has nothing to do with winning or lack of winning. It's more about his managerial style that clashed with Beane/players.

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and next season isnt going to look nice with some key guys leaving.

Are you going to pull a Linda Cohn and call the A's the "Kansas City Royals West"?

abailey3313 · 10-18-2006, 12:45 PM

The A's need a new manager, and former Giants skipper Dusty Baker says he'd "be interested."
-- Contra Costa Times

imation · 10-18-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

Supposedly Girardi's big problem in Florida was that he wanted to get more involved in general management than they wanted him to. I can't imagine he'd do better with Billy Beane already there in Oakland.

Actually his biggest problem was that he wouldn't allow the owner to yell at the Umpires because he didn't want his team to do it either.

Green & Gold Heart · 10-18-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

The A's need a new manager, and former Giants skipper Dusty Baker says he'd "be interested."
-- Contra Costa Times

Just like I'm interested in Brad Pitt.

abailey3313 · 10-18-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Just like I'm interested in Brad Pitt.

Dusty Baker is sexually attracted to the Oakland A's?

Green & Gold Heart · 10-18-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

Dusty Baker is sexually attracted to the Oakland A's?

Who isn't?! :randy:

1998 Yankees · 10-18-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Joe Girardi will be the next manager of the As and the As will win the 2007 WS

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Originally Posted by ctorg

Supposedly Girardi's big problem in Florida was that he wanted to get more involved in general management than they wanted him to. I can't imagine he'd do better with Billy Beane already there in Oakland.

I have a feeling that Mr. Girardi will be sitting next to Mr. Torre on the bench, or out in the bullpen, in 2007. You just don't diss the boss like that.

Speaking of Macha, wasn't his style close to that of Torre, kinda laid back? Similar situations, but Torre returns and Macha does not. Cashman went to bat and Beane used it, I guess. 4 WS wins helps, no doubt.

Green & Gold Heart · 10-18-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Speaking of Macha, wasn't his style close to that of Torre, kinda laid back? Similar situations, but Torre returns and Macha does not. Cashman went to bat and Beane used it, I guess. 4 WS wins helps, no doubt.

Not similar situations. AFAIK, there were no issues of discord in the clubhouse between Torre and players. That's what the Macha situation is about.

I like how nobody reads the article I linked and just assumes Macha was fired because the A's haven't reached the World Series.

1998 Yankees · 10-18-2006, 05:25 PM

Hmmm. Torre vs. Rodriguez was a factor, though. But yes, the big deal with Torre was Steinbrenner stamping his feet (as much as you can at 76) over not winning the series in 6 whole years. The very idea! Torre did not deserve what he went through. I'm hoping that Macha did, for other reasons.

Green & Gold Heart · 10-18-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Hmmm. Torre vs. Rodriguez was a factor, though. But yes, the big deal with Torre was Steinbrenner stamping his feet (as much as you can at 76) over not winning the series in 6 whole years. The very idea! Torre did not deserve what he went through. I'm hoping that Macha did, for other reasons.

I blame the Torre situation more on the trigger-happy NY media.

1998 Yankees · 10-18-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

I blame the Torre situation more on the trigger-happy NY media.

Well, now that you mention it, it is pretty disgraceful in our corner of the country, that way. I sometimes get embarrassed by it; for gosh sakes, how would you like to live in KC and be a baseball fan there (no disrespect meant). Or Detroit, which is whooping it up right now because they have not won the WS since 1984. Or Atlanta, winning the division even more than the Yankees have and only 1 WS. You don't hear the kind of nonsense in those cities that you do in NY without a championship for a couple of years. Believe me, not all Yankees fans are like this, just the johnny-come-latelies who hopped on the boat in the late 90's. The media is just giving them what they want to hear.

JDOldSchool · 10-18-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Believe me, not all Yankees fans are like this, just the johnny-come-latelies who hopped on the boat in the late 90's. The media is just giving them what they want to hear.

I'm speaking in generalities here, so I'm not necessarily talking about you personally or any specific member of this board. I was wondering if the NY media/NY (Yankee) fan thing is one of those chicken and the egg arguments. Is the media that way because the people want them to be or do the people expect it because that's just how the NY media is? New Yorkers have that reputation for being tough, and sometimes just rude. It's an interesting question. Once that's decided, it's then reasonable to ask if the NY media is crossing the line and no longer doing their jobs with some of the tactics they use to sell papers.

1998 Yankees · 10-18-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

I'm speaking in generalities here, so I'm not necessarily talking about you personally or any specific member of this board. I was wondering if the NY media/NY (Yankee) fan thing is one of those chicken and the egg arguments. Is the media that way because the people want them to be or do the people expect it because that's just how the NY media is? New Yorkers have that reputation for being tough, and sometimes just rude. It's an interesting question. Once that's decided, it's then reasonable to ask if the NY media is crossing the line and no longer doing their jobs with some of the tactics they use to sell papers.

You raise a good point. I think that it's not a matter of chicken and egg, but symbiosis. Many NY fans enjoy the reputation of being "tough and rude." The media knows this and feeds it; the public buys the newspaper or tunes in the broadcast to hear more of it. We are told that we should expect more because we are the greatest city in the world with the greatest fans, etc. So it feeds upon itself.

Meanwhile, many of these so-called fans were not fans before 1996, were spoiled by 4 world championships in five years and have been taught that whining about no championships in six years is normal, appropriate, and their right to do. They miss the quick, cheap thrill of a world championship without realizing that it can take years, if not decades, to build a great team AND be lucky enough to win the championship. It's pathetic, and I sometimes regret being a Yankee fan, not because of the Yankee part but because of the fan part.

However, I will not give up my Yankees. I have been with them since 1965, and I have studied their history from before then. I saw the lean years leading up to 1976 and again from 1981 through 1995. I have seen six world champion Yankees teams in my lifetime, which is five more than any living Red Sox or White Sox fan, and six more than any Cubs fan. If I die tomorrow, I will consider myself blessed in this regard, a happy baseball fan.

So, you see, be careful about Yankee fan generalizations.

JDOldSchool · 10-19-2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

So, you see, be careful about Yankee fan generalizations.

I think I was careful by not singling out you or anybody in particular. I don't live in New York, but my perception is that this 1996-present fan is more numerous (or more easily seen/heard) than a person like you. Is that true?

rzzzzzzz · 10-19-2006, 11:30 AM

Probably the funniest article written after the Ken Macha fallout:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=970081600908

My favorite line:

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Now, we're getting as tired as anyone else of the baseball term originally coined as the title of a Michael Lewis book on how to compete on a limited budget by going against the grain of traditional baseball thinking.

Like many other things once new, Moneyball has become old. It doesn't work because now everybody does at least a little outside the box thinking. It's like comparing Ozzy Osbourne of the '70s to Osbourne today. No more edge.

The reason you writers are tired of Moneyball is because *you* guys (and gals) are the only people that bring that term up!

mikev · 10-19-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rzzzzzzz

Probably the funniest article written after the Ken Macha fallout:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=970081600908

My favorite line:

The reason you writers are tired of Moneyball is because *you* guys (and gals) are the only people that bring that term up!

The firejoremorgan guys absolutely ripped that article. I actually chuckled aloud when I read their response at FJM:
Just like the A's, Ozzy doesn't know how to do the little things anymore. When was the last time you saw Ozzy lay down a sacrifice bunt and give himself up for the team? Not recently enough, if you ask me.

JDOldSchool · 10-19-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rzzzzzzz

The reason you writers are tired of Moneyball is because *you* guys (and gals) are the only people that bring that term up!

And becuase they still have no effing idea what it means.

10-18-2006, 12:45 PM	#22
abailey3313 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,718	The A's need a new manager, and former Giants skipper Dusty Baker says he'd "be interested." -- Contra Costa Times __________________

10-18-2006, 05:25 PM	#29
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Hmmm. Torre vs. Rodriguez was a factor, though. But yes, the big deal with Torre was Steinbrenner stamping his feet (as much as you can at 76) over not winning the series in 6 whole years. The very idea! Torre did not deserve what he went through. I'm hoping that Macha did, for other reasons.