Doubts and Fears of an experienced OOTP'er

[Hubertdd1]

Well I have been playing OOTP since the second version. Purchased each one and I have to admit that I must have logged thousands of hours over the past 5 yrs playing OOTP.

And now for the first time I have to admit I am scared. After looking at Skydog's preview of the game and the uploaded link of his first sim season I have to say I don't know if I like what I saw.

First Thing -
By looking at the players ratings there are just so many numerical digits.

And so much information to take in as well.

Contact; Gap; Power; Eye; Avoid K's; Speed; Stealing

Compared to Contact Power Eye,
or Avg, HR, K's, BB

This is just too much info for me to take in and such a drastic change in my opinon.

And then for pitching

Stuff Movement Control Velocity Endurance
I just can't understand all this, what should a person look for in players.

I just have a feeling that this is going to be a major change, and change is not always good. Ignorance is bliss and I liked the simplicity of OOTP. I felt each yr advancements were made but in small doses.

However this yr I find there is too much change. And I only hope I could adapt to the New OOTP engine.

As for waiver rule and Rule 5 draft I am happy,
also I hope arbitration is enhanced this yr

Take Care - from a long time yet fearful OOTP player

[ihatenames]

Its my understanding the old engine is still there. So if you don't like the new one, i'm assuming you can go back to the old one. I am also assuming you'll still be able to use the 40 man rosters, ect, with the old engine.

In other words its probably worth the $25

EDIT: could someone direct me to this preview. I can't seem to find it, maybe i'm just ******ed though.

[chrisj]

Originally posted by Hubertdd1
First Thing -
By looking at the players ratings there are just so many numerical digits.

And so much information to take in as well.

Contact; Gap; Power; Eye; Avoid K's; Speed; Stealing

Compared to Contact Power Eye,
or Avg, HR, K's, BB

First of all... you can cut down on the numbers. There are other options, such as the good ol' 1-10 rating system, or 1-5 (which could replace the Poor/Fair/Average/Good/Brilliant idea).

BTW, really it was:

Contact; Gap; Power; Eye; Avoid K's; Speed; Stealing

vs

Avg; HR; K's; BB; Speed; Stealing (speed and stealing WERE in OOTP5 afterall...)

So really, just one added number to look at.

You'll be fine, I'm sure.

[chrisj]

Originally posted by ihatenames

EDIT: could someone direct me to this preview. I can't seem to find it, maybe i'm just ******ed though.

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...ad.php?t=24418

[ihatenames]

Originally posted by chrisj
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...ad.php?t=24418

thanks, i guess i was looking at the wrong site.

[crackpott]

Originally posted by chrisj
First of all... you can cut down on the numbers. There are other options, such as the good ol' 1-10 rating system, or 1-5 (which could replace the Poor/Fair/Average/Good/Brilliant idea).

BTW, really it was:

Contact; Gap; Power; Eye; Avoid K's; Speed; Stealing

vs

Avg; HR; K's; BB; Speed; Stealing (speed and stealing WERE in OOTP5 afterall...)

So really, just one added number to look at.

You'll be fine, I'm sure.

You're both ignoring "doubles rating" gap power basically replaces that. Batting hasn't changed that much it seems, just renamed a little.

[Ben E Lou]

I'm a numbers-oriented guy, so I *love* the new ratings, and I use 1-100. However, it is *very* simple to boil the ratings down to 1-10, 2-8, 1-5, 1-20, or no ratings at all. Also, you can change from one of these settings to another while your league is going on, so you can figure out what you like on the fly, then stick with it.

[jbmagic]

question on the ratings 1-100, 1-10, 2-8, 1-5, 1-20,

isnt it all the same highest number better rating.....what the difference if u use 1-100, 1-10, 2-8, 1-5, 1-20, etc?


thanks

[Ben E Lou]

You get much more detail about who is better if you use 1-100, as opposed to 1-5. With 1-5, a guy with a "real" rating of 82 looks the same as a guy with 100, I would suppose (a "5" rating for each). Some guys don't want this. Some do.

[kq76]

Originally posted by jbmagic
question on the ratings 1-100, 1-10, 2-8, 1-5, 1-20,

isnt it all the same highest number better rating.....what the difference if u use 1-100, 1-10, 2-8, 1-5, 1-20, etc?


thanks

I think the difference is digestibility. For some people 1-100 might be information overload whereas others might be able to handle even more. I know I can personally take in and make sense of a lot of numbers but when I need to explain it to some I have to condense the info into more manageable chunks. It's kind of like the whole reasoning for the star system. It's great because it gives you a very quick idea of how good a player is. Sure, it's not perfect and you shouldn't base big decisions on it alone, but for quick and dirty assessments it's great and so will the small rating ranges for some people.

I don't understand the 2-8 one. Who came up with that and why? Why not 14 to 2481 or 3.1 to 9.4 or -4 to +8? I think that one is overkill.

One problem with so many systems is when we're comparing them from different leagues. In some leagues a rating of 5 will be great, some just average, and some awful. People will need to say their range up front now.

[Kemp]

I believe many scouts use a 2 to 8 scale so OOTP wanted to include that.

Personally most of the scouts I've known use a 20 to 80 scale but whatever......

[crackpott]

Originally posted by kq76
I don't understand the 2-8 one. Who came up with that and why? Why not 14 to 2481 or 3.1 to 9.4 or -4 to +8? I think that one is overkill.

Blame scouts. Certain numbers actually aren't even scouting, but correlate to ability.

ie.

Home To First (Right Side):

· 8: 4.0 seconds

· 7: 4.1 seconds

· 6: 4.2 seconds

· 5: 4.3 seconds

· 4: 4.4 seconds

· 3: 4.5 seconds

· 2: 4.6 seconds


Pitchers Velocity:

· 8: 98 mph +

· 7: 93-97 mph

· 6: 90-92 mph

· 5: 88-89 mph

· 4: 85-87 mph

· 3: 83-84 mph

· 2: 82 mph -

Catchers Release Times to Second Base:

· 8: 1.7 seconds - below

· 7: 1.7-1.8 seconds

· 6: 1.8-1.9 seconds

· 5: 1.9-2.0 seconds

· 4: 2.0-2.1 seconds

· 3: 2.1-2.2 seconds

· 2: 2.2-2.3 seconds

Anyway, MLB scouts grade players 2-8 (or 20-80) on tools. Hitting, Power, Speed, Fielding, and Throwing. An average is taken of all the grades, and given to the player. 65+ is considered a future major league star, 50+ is major league regular, 50 major league average, 40+ major league fringe, and 38-39 organizational player

Scouting on pitchers is really complicated. Regardless, I'm not sure where the scouts came up with this range, but this is where it comes from in game. If I were to venture a guess, it would be that assigning a 0 for someone with say Mo Vaughn-esque speed would weight his overall rating down too much, and thus although 5 was meant to be average, 2 is the lowest you can go without throwing things out of whack. 8 would therefore be the high if 5 is average. Just my guess anyway

[Tekneek]

Information overload is good. IMO, you can never have too much of it. The real details in baseball are all about information. There's a 'book' on every player in 'real baseball.' Think about that for detail!

[Bald Eagles]

As the great Johnny Five once said,

"Input! Input! Need more input!!"

[treedom]

no disassemble

[IatricSB]

As stated before, the 2 to 8 scale is used by baseball scouts. For me, I love the new 1-100 scale. OOTP is all about the stats and numbers for me so I welcome all the new ways to look at it. Instead of having a guy that is rated a 5 in a category, now he'll be somewhere between 45 and 54 (or wherever the exact split is).

And since I do a lot of editing of incoming rookies for my online leagues (before the draft, not after the fact like some infamous members of the forum), I can distinguish one player from the next better by having two digits for range instead of the 5 letters that there used to be. But for those that don't like it, they can choose 1 to 5 and have it be just like before (except numbers instead of letters).

[theasfl]

Originally posted by jbmagic
question on the ratings 1-100, 1-10, 2-8, 1-5, 1-20,

isnt it all the same highest number better rating.....what the difference if u use 1-100, 1-10, 2-8, 1-5, 1-20, etc?


thanks

essentially theyre all the exact same. Our numbers system is based on 10s, so 20/100 is the same as 4/20 and 2/10 and 1/5. The difference in the game is that if someones rated say, 86... theyre 86 in 1-100, 17.2 in 1-20, 8.6 in 1-10 and 4.3 in 1/5.... but instead they show up as 86, 17, 9 (or 8 if there isnt rounding) and 4.... theyre just more exact descriptions to differentiate between players.

[ctorg]

I don't have any of the doubts and fears mentioned in the first post. Quite the contrary, I am really happy about the changes and look forward to the new system.

[Scott Vibert]

Originally posted by IatricSB
As stated before, the 2 to 8 scale is used by baseball scouts. For me, I love the new 1-100 scale. OOTP is all about the stats and numbers for me so I welcome all the new ways to look at it. Instead of having a guy that is rated a 5 in a category, now he'll be somewhere between 45 and 54 (or wherever the exact split is).

And since I do a lot of editing of incoming rookies for my online leagues (before the draft, not after the fact like some infamous members of the forum), I can distinguish one player from the next better by having two digits for range instead of the 5 letters that there used to be. But for those that don't like it, they can choose 1 to 5 and have it be just like before (except numbers instead of letters).

And to provide some contrast... the ratings scale I'm looking forward too most is No ratings or talents at all.

Stats and text based scouting!!

[Pete Grassi]

I agree with Scott. I cannot wait to run a solo league with no ratings and have to work of current and past performance in making decisions.