A Fun "Successful Owner" Survey

Jason · 10-10-2003, 02:34 PM

Which of these would you consider the more successful owner of an OOTP franchise in an online league (or are they the same?)

Owner 1: Has won 5 championships in the 20 seasons of the league he is in yet only made the post-season 6 of the 20 years;

Owner 2: Has won 2 championships in the 20 seasons of the league yet has only made the post-season 10 of the 20 years;

Owner 3: Has never won the championship but has been in the post-season 19 of the 20 years.

Black Lightning · 10-10-2003, 02:38 PM

Easy choice. Only the number of Championships matters.

sporr · 10-10-2003, 02:47 PM

Has to be option #1. It's possible to string together a lot of post-season appearances due to a weak division. However, it would be tough to win that many championships without a solid team across the board.

Hammer755 · 10-10-2003, 02:55 PM

Speaking from experience, all 3 situations should be considered successful.

I am in leagues where I have been both #1 and #3 (see my sig), and it is every bit of a challenge to remain competitive every single year over a long period of time than it is to win a bunch of titles and then go into mediocrity/rebuilding for a long span.

mfitterer1 · 10-10-2003, 05:05 PM

the team that most consistently can get to the next level is the team that is the most successful, just like the Yankees and braves are most successful in real life even though the Braves have only won 1 world series out of the last 13 yrs in playoffs.

Cliche · 10-10-2003, 05:25 PM

I think championships are the ultimate measure of success, but obviously all three of those teams are successful... no division can be "weak" for 20 years... can it?

Cowboys3356 · 10-10-2003, 05:31 PM

Winning the Championship is all that matters. Just like in life...second place means nothing. It only matters who is number one!

mfitterer1 · 10-10-2003, 05:56 PM

baseball is different from other sports in that winning your division is like winning a championship in its own right because the season is so long and there are so many things that can go wrong in one year.

winning the division 20 yrs in a row is and has to be the most successful team that there is to choose from out of all the choices that were listed.

SanDiegoPadres19 · 10-10-2003, 06:17 PM

I would say any GM that sticks with a team for 20 sim years is a winner in my book.

marc · 10-10-2003, 06:19 PM

They are all successful, it can be argued which is more successful but u cant possibly look at any of the 3 and say they havent encountered a lot of success.

kq76 · 10-10-2003, 06:24 PM

Wow, that's a really tough question. They're all successful, but I'd have to say the most # of championships is the most successful. It would be so frustrating if you always made it to the playoffs but never won the championship.

You'd still have to congratulate the owner that never won, but I would kind of liken it to someone trying to climb a mountain and could always get pretty far, but never make it to the top. But the thing would be that that climber always tried the same route to get to the top, never stopped to think that they should try a different route. That would not necessarily be the case for the consistently in the playoffs but never the winner owner, but I think people would instantly think that this probably is the case.

EDIT: But then again, a lot of smart people swear that the playoffs are a crap shoot and that the only real test is the regular season, so maybe the never the winner but always in the playoffs GM is the best. I don't think I subscribe to that theory that the playoffs are a complete crap shoot though.

mavericktango · 10-11-2003, 05:29 AM

Being English, I think option 4 - none of the above, is a winner ! Heroic failure is best ! The owner who sticks with it for 20 years and never even gets a .500 season is the real winner, hoping that the 18 yr old he drafted will hit his first HR before he retires, 17 homerless seasons ..... this season's your season ......perhaps ?

JAttractive · 10-11-2003, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kq76

EDIT: But then again, a lot of smart people swear that the playoffs are a crap shoot and that the only real test is the regular season, so maybe the never the winner but always in the playoffs GM is the best. I don't think I subscribe to that theory that the playoffs are a complete crap shoot though.

I tend to believe in this theory though obviously it isn't a complete crap shoot either. Still in a 7 game series there is an undeniable element of "luck" due to the small sample size.

Based on just the information given I couldn't pick any of the three. As someone said making the playoffs 19 of 20 times may be the toughest but if you are in a weak division that has horrid owner's well you can throw that out. On the otherhand maybe owner #1 is in a division with the 4 strongest GMs in the league and they alternate as the top team in cycles.

I'd need a lot more information but certainly all three of them seem to be doing fairly well.

View Poll Results: Which is the more successful owner?
Owner 1	7	21.21%
Owner 2	1	3.03%
Owner 3	9	27.27%
They're all successful	16	48.48%
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10-10-2003, 02:38 PM	#2
Black Lightning Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 54	Easy choice. Only the number of Championships matters. __________________ NABC - Mobile Bears UBA - Charleston Aces

10-10-2003, 02:55 PM	#4
Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,348	Speaking from experience, all 3 situations should be considered successful. I am in leagues where I have been both #1 and #3 (see my sig), and it is every bit of a challenge to remain competitive every single year over a long period of time than it is to win a bunch of titles and then go into mediocrity/rebuilding for a long span. Last edited by Hammer755; 10-10-2003 at 02:57 PM.

10-10-2003, 05:25 PM	#6
Cliche Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 210	I think championships are the ultimate measure of success, but obviously all three of those teams are successful... no division can be "weak" for 20 years... can it? __________________ GUBA - Bogota Toros

10-10-2003, 06:17 PM	#9
SanDiegoPadres19 All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 937	I would say any GM that sticks with a team for 20 sim years is a winner in my book. __________________ Classic Jerry Colmanisms "Montreal leads Atlanta by three, 5-1." "They throw Winfield out at second, but he's safe." (As Matt Williams took a curtain call after hitting a home run) "Barry Bonds gets a standing ovation as he digs in." (Following the second out) ".. and the Padres win the National League Wes... oh, just got a little exicted." ************** Internet Sim Baseball League, Lo$ Angele$ Dodger$ ISBL Fictional Blog

10-10-2003, 02:34 PM	#1
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,847	A Fun "Successful Owner" Survey Which of these would you consider the more successful owner of an OOTP franchise in an online league (or are they the same?) Owner 1: Has won 5 championships in the 20 seasons of the league he is in yet only made the post-season 6 of the 20 years; Owner 2: Has won 2 championships in the 20 seasons of the league yet has only made the post-season 10 of the 20 years; Owner 3: Has never won the championship but has been in the post-season 19 of the 20 years.

10-10-2003, 02:47 PM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Has to be option #1. It's possible to string together a lot of post-season appearances due to a weak division. However, it would be tough to win that many championships without a solid team across the board.

10-10-2003, 05:05 PM	#5
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	the team that most consistently can get to the next level is the team that is the most successful, just like the Yankees and braves are most successful in real life even though the Braves have only won 1 world series out of the last 13 yrs in playoffs.

10-10-2003, 05:31 PM	#7
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	Winning the Championship is all that matters. Just like in life...second place means nothing. It only matters who is number one!

10-10-2003, 05:56 PM	#8
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	baseball is different from other sports in that winning your division is like winning a championship in its own right because the season is so long and there are so many things that can go wrong in one year. winning the division 20 yrs in a row is and has to be the most successful team that there is to choose from out of all the choices that were listed.

10-10-2003, 06:19 PM	#10
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	They are all successful, it can be argued which is more successful but u cant possibly look at any of the 3 and say they havent encountered a lot of success. __________________

10-10-2003, 06:24 PM	#11
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,800	Wow, that's a really tough question. They're all successful, but I'd have to say the most # of championships is the most successful. It would be so frustrating if you always made it to the playoffs but never won the championship. You'd still have to congratulate the owner that never won, but I would kind of liken it to someone trying to climb a mountain and could always get pretty far, but never make it to the top. But the thing would be that that climber always tried the same route to get to the top, never stopped to think that they should try a different route. That would not necessarily be the case for the consistently in the playoffs but never the winner owner, but I think people would instantly think that this probably is the case. EDIT: But then again, a lot of smart people swear that the playoffs are a crap shoot and that the only real test is the regular season, so maybe the never the winner but always in the playoffs GM is the best. I don't think I subscribe to that theory that the playoffs are a complete crap shoot though. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) Last edited by kq76; 10-10-2003 at 06:26 PM.

10-11-2003, 05:29 AM	#12
mavericktango Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK, Europe Posts: 386	Being English, I think option 4 - none of the above, is a winner ! Heroic failure is best ! The owner who sticks with it for 20 years and never even gets a .500 season is the real winner, hoping that the 18 yr old he drafted will hit his first HR before he retires, 17 homerless seasons ..... this season's your season ......perhaps ? __________________ A Lost Soul