CSV logging bugs

[matskralc!]

1. The game logs do not report bases on balls when ball four occurs in a 3-1 count with a runner on base. The entry is simply "3-1: Ball" instead of "3-1: Base on balls".

2. The trailing runner does not receive credit for a SB in players_at_bat_batting_stats on a double steal. He does receive credit in players_career_batting_stats. The game log does not describe the trailing runner as stealing second base but reports the lead runner as stealing and simply states "(trailing runner) to second" instead of "(trailing runner) steals second".

[kq76]

Originally Posted by matskralc!

2. The trailing runner does not receive credit for a SB in players_at_bat_batting_stats on a double steal. He does receive credit in players_career_batting_stats. The game log does not describe the trailing runner as stealing second base but reports the lead runner as stealing and simply states "(trailing runner) to second" instead of "(trailing runner) steals second".

I get that your issue here is consistency, but I didn't think trailing runners were always credited with a SB. I thought it was a scorer's decision.

For example, say you've got a fast runner on 2nd and a slow runner on 1st, like Alejandro Kirk slow. They both break, catcher throws to 3rd, but fast runner is safe, and 3rd doesn't make a throw to 2nd and that slow runner is also safe. Reading rule 9.07(c) might make one think, "no, they both get a SB", but I think that rule is specifically talking about the other runner evading being put out in a rundown. One might then say, "the slow runner was aided by the successfully evading runner and they got a SB in that situation so they should in a successful double steal as well" and to that I can only say, "yeah, I guess", but for some reason I thought it was a scorer's decision, like it was defensive indifference or something. "We, as the defensive team, cared about the lead runner not scoring, not the trailing runner".

They're definitely not credited if the other runner is thrown out, even though maybe they should be. For example, men on 1st and 3rd, runner on 1st breaks for 2nd, catcher throws to 2nd, runner on 3rd breaks for home, fielder at 2nd tries to tag runner going to 2nd, but fails, then throws to home and catcher successfully tags out runner going home. In this scenario the fielding team did try to tag out the first runner, but even though he was safe he doesn't get a SB because the runner going home is out. I totally get the situation where the fielder at 2nd aborts his attempt to get his runner out and throws back to the catcher in time, but if he makes an unsuccessful attempt at his runner then I think that runner should get a SB.

In the example you saw, were both runners definitely safe?

[matskralc!]

Originally Posted by kq76

In the example you saw, were both runners definitely safe?

Yes, they were.

And yes, the trailing runner should always receive credit for a stolen base on a successful double steal. The MLB rulebook states:

The Official Scorer shall credit a stolen base to a runner whenever the runner advances one base unaided by a hit, a putout, an error, a force-out, a fielder’s choice, a passed ball, a wild pitch or a balk, subject to the following:

On a successful double steal, the trailing runner has done exactly what is described.

When a runner, attempting to steal, or after being picked off base, evades being put out in a run-down play and advances to the next base without the aid of an error, the Official Scorer shall credit the runner with a stolen base. If another runner also advances on the play, the Official Scorer shall credit both runners with stolen bases. If a runner advances while another runner, attempting to steal, evades being put out in a run-down play and returns safely, without the aid of an error, to the base he originally occupied, the Official Scorer shall credit a stolen base to the runner who advances.

If trailing runners are automatically credited with a stolen base when a different runner advances despite being caught in a rundown, it stands to reason that trailing runners are also automatically credited with a stolen base when a different runner advances without being caught in a rundown. The trailing runner even gets credit for a steal if a lead runner is caught in a rundown and safely returns to his original base.

When a double- or triple-steal is attempted and one runner is thrown out before reaching and holding the base such runner is attempting to steal, no other runner shall be credited with a stolen base.

As you described, if any runner is caught stealing on a multiple steal attempt, then nobody gets credit for a stolen base.

So, I think OOTP is handling successful double steals correctly, but it is not logging the information consistently.