infield shift

[r0nster]

with the banning shift, can we move outfielder be moved to short outfielder .. Like what Boston does.

[fifthorkid]

Originally Posted by r0nster

with the banning shift, can we move outfielder be moved to short outfielder .. Like what Boston does.

Hopefully so!

[Syd Thrift]

I’d really like to understand the effect first TBH. Because with the exception of maybe a handful of hitters at most, extreme shifts don’t actually do all that much.

[Cod]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I’d really like to understand the effect first TBH. Because with the exception of maybe a handful of hitters at most, extreme shifts don’t actually do all that much.

Along the same lines, park factors will play a huge role in this. Boston can get away with these type of shifts more because of the limited ground to cover in left field at Fenway.

[r0nster]

Originally Posted by Cod

Along the same lines, park factors will play a huge role in this. Boston can get away with these type of shifts more because of the limited ground to cover in left field at Fenway.

right now its spring training and they havent done the shift using outfielders in Fenway park yet

[Cod]

Originally Posted by r0nster

right now its spring training and they havent done the shift using outfielders in Fenway park yet

I realize this, but it doesn't mean a team isn't already thinking about strategies for the regular season. No better time to test out outrageous ideas than Spring Training.

[zappa1]

Phillies/Yankees game yesterday the Yankees deployed five infielders when the Phils had the bases loaded. Well, maybe not quite but the centerfielder was just to the right side of the infield on the grass behind second base. Looks like five to me. So, I guess painted lines on the field will be next. Something stupid will be done. Especially if this kind of thing catches on.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by zappa1

Phillies/Yankees game yesterday the Yankees deployed five infielders when the Phils had the bases loaded. Well, maybe not quite but the centerfielder was just to the right side of the infield on the grass behind second base. Looks like five to me. So, I guess painted lines on the field will be next. Something stupid will be done. Especially if this kind of thing catches on.

I think they will be fine with these type of shifts because there is true risk/reward to them. They are opening up big holes in the outfield (where all hitters spray the ball more than on the infield) if they want to get into that alignment.

[Bobfather]

You can always toggle to allow shifts

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by r0nster

right now its spring training and they havent done the shift using outfielders in Fenway park yet

Big If True!

[texasmame]

Banning the shift is stupid. Just like starting extras with a guy on second, or no four pitches for an intentional walk or pitch clocks or. . .

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Banning the shift is stupid. Just like starting extras with a guy on second, or no four pitches for an intentional walk or pitch clocks or. . .

Regardless, it's part of the game. Also, if it helps, it figures to have a tiny impact, like BABIP went down all of 10 points once teams started employing it a lot in the mid-2010s - not average, BABIP - and early spring training results indicates that banning extreme shifts might have taken away 2/3rds of that.

TBH making guys throw 4 pitches for an intentional walk was always kind of dumb. Oh no, every like 1000 intentional walks the pitcher throws a wild pitch. Whatever shall we do????

In pure baseball terms - and Markus indicated that the only way this pops up in a game is as a rare play - the pitch clock looks like it might legitimately make a huge, huge difference. Spring training games are literally down by almost half an hour compared to recent years and are being played more quickly than they ever have since data started to be collected on this in 2006. If games suddenly are done in 2 1/2 hours instead of over 3, I think that the ghost runner rule - and I say this as a person who's frankly kind of OK with the ghost runner rule - is suddenly something a little extraneous.

Anyway, though, in terms of the game, there's no actual pitch clock in the game where you have to decide on strategy in 17 seconds or what have you. There might be an occasional rare play where a strike or a ball is called because the batter or pitcher delayed the game, the same way that catcher/batter interference happens now.

[r0nster]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Banning the shift is stupid. Just like starting extras with a guy on second, or no four pitches for an intentional walk or pitch clocks or. . .

completely agree with you unfortunately those in power are intentionally pushing certain things on the game that is not needed. Would say more of my thoughts but this isnt the place for it for a fun debate

[ScottyB]

Originally Posted by r0nster

completely agree with you unfortunately those in power are intentionally pushing certain things on the game that is not needed. Would say more of my thoughts but this isnt the place for it for a fun debate

Agreed.

Just noticed, looking through old photos, I've not been to an MLB game in over four years. Part of the reason is obvious, but part is the foolishness of MLB. In that same time I've been to dozens of minor league/college games and hundreds of youth games.

You don't have to love MLB to love the game!

[Bobfather]

Originally Posted by r0nster

right now its spring training and they havent done the shift using outfielders in Fenway park yet

Jet Blue Park is the same dimensions as Fenway including the wall.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Banning the shift is stupid. Just like starting extras with a guy on second, or no four pitches for an intentional walk or pitch clocks or. . .

Originally Posted by r0nster

completely agree with you unfortunately those in power are intentionally pushing certain things on the game that is not needed. Would say more of my thoughts but this isnt the place for it for a fun debate

Originally Posted by ScottyB

Agreed.

Just noticed, looking through old photos, I've not been to an MLB game in over four years. Part of the reason is obvious, but part is the foolishness of MLB. In that same time I've been to dozens of minor league/college games and hundreds of youth games.

You don't have to love MLB to love the game!

I agree

You don't have to love MLB to love the game!

but...

Didn't most of these newer "game ruining rules" debut in the leagues that you still go to watch games?

[Bobfather]

I can just hope someday someone can invent a baseball simulation that allows users to turn on and off those rules. Here's hoping sometime during my lifetime. I know big ask, but maybe someday.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

TBH making guys throw 4 pitches for an intentional walk was always kind of dumb. Oh no, every like 1000 intentional walks the pitcher throws a wild pitch. Whatever shall we do????

If the IBB was given to a home team player it gave the fans the ability to be involved by booing. A great opportunity for crowd involvement. That's a good thing.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Bobfather

I can just hope someday someone can invent a baseball simulation that allows users to turn on and off those rules. Here's hoping sometime during my lifetime. I know big ask, but maybe someday.

Which rules are you referring to?

The option is already in OOTP to disable the new rules, and has always been.

[r0nster]

Originally Posted by Bobfather

I can just hope someday someone can invent a baseball simulation that allows users to turn on and off those rules. Here's hoping sometime during my lifetime. I know big ask, but maybe someday.

OOTP does have these options and we shall see if 24 will have options for these new rules as well