So, when do we get a 24 update?

[texasmame]

It's about that time!

[OutS|der]

You don't want to update.

[BaseballGOAT]

They'll probably announce the pre order date sometime in Feb and then the details on features will come out close to the release date

[BusterKing]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

You don't want to update.

I'm pretty sure discouraging the sale of a product on a company's website will get you banned.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

I'm pretty sure discouraging the sale of a product on a company's website will get you banned.

I took it as OP asking for a patch not info for the new version.

I’m holding out hope they are able to fix this Nippon league kerfuffle by the time 24 comes out so I’m not discouraging anyone buying the new version, least not until we get more info.

[tehsuigi]

The OOTP 22 teaser trailer dropped February 22, 2021, so I'd expect something next month.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by tehsuigi

The OOTP 22 teaser trailer dropped February 22, 2021, so I'd expect something next month.

Things were a little late last year (partly because of the lockout, but more largely due to some backend service provider issues they ran into). Hopefully they are back on the previous timeline, but the way things are going lately I wouldn't be surprised by a delay of a few weeks.

[rudel.dietrich]

I can give you a preview

It will be a list of bug fixes, then a list of features that have been in the series now that are being tweaked or fixed to actually work correctly.
The 2-3 features that will be big features to a small subset of people and you might be in that small subset based on how you play the game.


I would love to be wrong, but that has been the features list for about 4 versions now.

[MathBandit]

Guess I'm lucky to be in the "small subset of people" who play single-player GM and online leagues, where there have been huge improvements every version for the last 4+ years.

[tehsuigi]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Things were a little late last year (partly because of the lockout, but more largely due to some backend service provider issues they ran into). Hopefully they are back on the previous timeline, but the way things are going lately I wouldn't be surprised by a delay of a few weeks.

That's why I went with OOTP 22 from 2021 which didn't have the delays.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

I can give you a preview

It will be a list of bug fixes, then a list of features that have been in the series now that are being tweaked or fixed to actually work correctly.
The 2-3 features that will be big features to a small subset of people and you might be in that small subset based on how you play the game.


I would love to be wrong, but that has been the features list for about 4 versions now.

What good does this response do? Maybe you could make some suggestions as to what they could introduce in 23 that would intrigue you.

[Bobfather]

Announcement usually coincides with beginning of spring training, release around opening day.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

Guess I'm lucky to be in the "small subset of people" who play single-player GM and online leagues, where there have been huge improvements every version for the last 4+ years.

Mirrors my experience. v23 is a big improvement over v22 and a vast improvement over v19(if we want to go with "the last 4 versions").

It's a baseball game, there is only so much one can do. v1, after all, already had three bases and home plate.

For playing out games, unless it goes to a physics model, development will always(?) be tweaks and small additions, I think?

Transactions, like all sports sims, will continually be "improved" so, for many, not sexy.

Database/stat keeping improvements come version to version. When they add something like SIERA they get a response something like "it should have already been there. It's hardly an addition."

It's the same for many things that are already in the game. IE they will never be seen as "new" but only "improved". Well yeah, what else can they be?

The elephant in the room is how far will they, or do the want to, go down the "front office operations" path? This is the area that a lot of users here ask for and want/expect an FM type of depth. Fair enough request and understand their desire to have these type of financials. If this were added there would be some joy from users because OOTP is finally making "BIG STEPS" while others would find it "not sexy" and "a version I could just as well skip". Me? If it were FM depth I'd hand most of it off to my staff. That doesn't mean I'd complain that another area of the game was "forgotten about" or there was "nothing new" in OOTP for me. I would still "buy a license" for the game and be happy for those that finally "got theirs".

I've never played PT nor have I even loaded it up for a "look see". I have no interest. I am also not a PT hater but, for my style of play, I think it has lead to huge improvements in OOTP proper. However for those that want the FM type front office experience? I will concede that PT is probably a huge stumbling block to getting that type of front office experience. At least AFAIK there are no financials in PT which means any financial improvements are an "OOTP only" feature.

This doesn't mean there can't\won't be financial improvements but, IMHO, means we won't see a "big, bright, new" financial model as a key release feature. Instead it will probably always(?) be small improvements from version to version.

In the end I get my money's worth from OOTP every year. YMMV.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Mirrors my experience. v23 is a big improvement over v22 and a vast improvement over v19(if we want to go with "the last 4 versions").

It's a baseball game, there is only so much one can do. v1, after all, already had three bases and home plate.

For playing out games, unless it goes to a physics model, development will always(?) be tweaks and small additions, I think?

Transactions, like all sports sims, will continually be "improved" so, for many, not sexy.

Database/stat keeping improvements come version to version. When they add something like SIERA they get a response something like "it should have already been there. It's hardly an addition."

It's the same for many things that are already in the game. IE they will never be seen as "new" but only "improved". Well yeah, what else can they be?

The elephant in the room is how far will they, or do the want to, go down the "front office operations" path? This is the area that a lot of users here ask for and want/expect an FM type of depth. Fair enough request and understand their desire to have these type of financials. If this were added there would be some joy from users because OOTP is finally making "BIG STEPS" while others would find it "not sexy" and "a version I could just as well skip". Me? If it were FM depth I'd hand most of it off to my staff. That doesn't mean I'd complain that another area of the game was "forgotten about" or there was "nothing new" in OOTP for me. I would still "buy a license" for the game and be happy for those that finally "got theirs".

I've never played PT nor have I even loaded it up for a "look see". I have no interest. I am also not a PT hater but, for my style of play, I think it has lead to huge improvements in OOTP proper. However for those that want the FM type front office experience? I will concede that PT is probably a huge stumbling block to getting that type of front office experience. At least AFAIK there are no financials in PT which means any financial improvements are an "OOTP only" feature.

This doesn't mean there can't\won't be financial improvements but, IMHO, means we won't see a "big, bright, new" financial model as a key release feature. Instead it will probably always(?) be small improvements from version to version.

In the end I get my money's worth from OOTP every year. YMMV.

Not anymore Sweed. Obviously you know me as one of those people who would like to see augmented front office features....but now with what's going on (at it could very well potentially get worse) the ability to take those "BIG STEPS" is now gone. I really don't plan on making OOTP a part of my lobbying experience any longer unless something drastically changes (or goes back to the way it was). So, no worries....but in all honesty I think the best days of OOTP are behind us at this point.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

What good does this response do? Maybe you could make some suggestions as to what they could introduce in 23 that would intrigue you.

I have been here a long time and made a lot of suggestions in my almost two decades here.

The game has grown into a direction that does not personally suit me. Less of a GM/front office sim and more of a baseball universe simulator with a heavy dose of gatcha card collecting mechanics.
And that is fine. I am just one person. I don't expect them to develop the game just for me.

I check on every version but I am turning into an every third year purchaser due to how little the game changes.
But again, those are changes I find personally meaningful.
Others may find that the changes are more for them.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

I can give you a preview

It will be a list of bug fixes, then a list of features that have been in the series now that are being tweaked or fixed to actually work correctly.
The 2-3 features that will be big features to a small subset of people and you might be in that small subset based on how you play the game.


I would love to be wrong, but that has been the features list for about 4 versions now.

You forgot one thing- excessive exclamation points.

● All new visual improvements! Player faces have been added to in-game 3D models, hundreds of new 3D animation updates have been added, the all-new Cleveland Guardians logos/uniform/stadium is here, along with all-new sortable team statistics and the ability to search for, filter, and tag in-game news messages!
● Unlimited Alternate Uniforms! At long last, you can create Alternate uniforms for your team - and the options are virtually unlimited! Design hat/jersey/pant combinations to your heartÂ’s content, and designate the uniforms for days of the week and/or even specific dates of the year!
● All new In-Game Tutorials! For the first time ever, Out of the Park Baseball offers in-game guides highlighting all kinds of interesting information. Rookies and veterans alike will love these simple, powerful explainers - and more will be added all season long based on feedback from the community.
● Dramatically updated Live Starts! Our wildly popular Live Starts feature just got massively bigger and better - we now feature Full Minors from Low-A all the way through AAA for each organization whenever you Live Start from any day of the entire 2022 season!
● In-game simulation engine upgrades! WeÂ’ve crunched massive amounts of data and crafted a significantly improved in-game core simulation engine, which will benefit not just the traditional Franchise Mode but also Perfect Team! Plus, all-new ratings balances for historical players AND a much-improved version of Negro League player ratings are in place!
● New 2022 MLB rules, tactics, playoffs, and strategies! Baseball continues evolving each year - and we have got you covered. From the new playoff structure to the universal DH, the latest and greatest MLB experience is here for you!
● New customizable options to create your own unique experience! Ever want to see what ties would be like in MLB? Or change up the playoffs with a full double elimination tournament or greatly expanded Round-Robin options? All sorts of new options are available to tinker with to design your own personal baseball heaven.
● New tools for Online Leagues! A new “waypointsÂ’ system allows online league Commissioners to mark customized simulation dates, and a new “limited power” Commissioner option expands the ability for multiple people to help run online leagues.
● Many, many more improvements, all built upon the incredibly deep award-winning Out of the Park Baseball engine that has accurately simulated the World Series winner the past three of the past five seasons on MLB Network!

Perfect Team 23 mode:

Perfect Team is an incredible free online competition mode in Out of the Park Baseball that shook up the industry when it first launched in OOTP 19. Assemble, customize, and manage your team by collecting baseball cards from the past, present and future of Major League Baseball. Set your strategy and tactics, then compete against players from around the world to see who is truly the best!

Do you have what it takes to build the Perfect Team?

All the new Perfect Team details are coming soon!

[progen]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

I have been here a long time and made a lot of suggestions in my almost two decades here.

The game has grown into a direction that does not personally suit me. Less of a GM/front office sim and more of a baseball universe simulator with a heavy dose of gatcha card collecting mechanics.
And that is fine. I am just one person. I don't expect them to develop the game just for me.

I check on every version but I am turning into an every third year purchaser due to how little the game changes.
But again, those are changes I find personally meaningful.
Others may find that the changes are more for them.

I've been purchasing since OOTP4, but now with where I'm at with the game, and the minimal progress on the GM side, I wait for the $9.99 sale, and just keep playing the previous version until the sale, which scratches my itch. I think anymore, it's not so much getting excited about the next version, but just to keep my streak alive, lol.

[MathBandit]

I'm glad the version I download is the one that has astronomical GM/Manager-only improvements every year and not the weird version some other people report getting that doesn't have any major changes from one version to the next.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Mirrors my experience. v23 is a big improvement over v22 and a vast improvement over v19(if we want to go with "the last 4 versions").

It's a baseball game, there is only so much one can do. v1, after all, already had three bases and home plate.

For playing out games, unless it goes to a physics model, development will always(?) be tweaks and small additions, I think?

Transactions, like all sports sims, will continually be "improved" so, for many, not sexy.

Database/stat keeping improvements come version to version. When they add something like SIERA they get a response something like "it should have already been there. It's hardly an addition."

It's the same for many things that are already in the game. IE they will never be seen as "new" but only "improved". Well yeah, what else can they be?

The elephant in the room is how far will they, or do the want to, go down the "front office operations" path? This is the area that a lot of users here ask for and want/expect an FM type of depth. Fair enough request and understand their desire to have these type of financials. If this were added there would be some joy from users because OOTP is finally making "BIG STEPS" while others would find it "not sexy" and "a version I could just as well skip". Me? If it were FM depth I'd hand most of it off to my staff. That doesn't mean I'd complain that another area of the game was "forgotten about" or there was "nothing new" in OOTP for me. I would still "buy a license" for the game and be happy for those that finally "got theirs".

I've never played PT nor have I even loaded it up for a "look see". I have no interest. I am also not a PT hater but, for my style of play, I think it has lead to huge improvements in OOTP proper. However for those that want the FM type front office experience? I will concede that PT is probably a huge stumbling block to getting that type of front office experience. At least AFAIK there are no financials in PT which means any financial improvements are an "OOTP only" feature.

This doesn't mean there can't\won't be financial improvements but, IMHO, means we won't see a "big, bright, new" financial model as a key release feature. Instead it will probably always(?) be small improvements from version to version.

In the end I get my money's worth from OOTP every year. YMMV.

I do have to say that while I personally would absolutely love to see OOTP move to a physics based engine, I predict that this, more than any other feature add, will cause many of these same people decrying the lack of "new updates" and "too much concentration on PT" to absolutely howl and scream. One advantage of doing a stats-based engine is that we have lots and lots of access to historical stats and as such you can pretty easily calibrate to stats. We have basically zero access to physics based stats before like 2015 and as such when that move inevitably happens an awful lot of historical play will just be... off. Not necessarily in the sense of league totals, but... how do you quantify Ty Cobb's barrel rate or Babe Ruth's bat speed?

Certainly one can extrapolate a lot of that info based on existing numbers (although even there, Ks are so, so, so much more a part of the game now than they were even in the 1970s, let alone the 20s, that this is bound to be "off"), but that's going to be a definitionally imperfect process at best. Like, it's very easy to just take Joe Schmoe's actual BABIP from 1925, compare it against other 1925 players, and assign that accordingly. You might be able to put algorithms in place that can kinda-sorta figure out physics ratings but they very often will not line up with a player reputation and on top of that will probably produce some weird individual stats, especially in the first few iterations while those algorithms get hammered out.

I can say this right now that people who run long-term saves will probably not want to upgrade those into a physics based system because fictional or otherwise those players won't translate. I think fictional will probably wind up working sooner than historical but I don't think there are very many of us who play that way TBH. And there are so, so many knock-on effects... we have a good grasp on how walk rates and K rates and so on age, but what about spin rate and O-Swing percentage?

Again, I very much look forward to that change but if people are this mad about a legal necessity to change the Racist Baseball Association (and again, I appreciate that it's a very large change, and I'll go so far as to say that I personally might have done things that I can't say I did because it could potentially make OOTPD legally liable if people followed my advice), they will be absolutely foot-stompingly furious when - not if, when - the new physics engine "breaks the game". I would even go so far as to say that this massive change will be blamed on Perfect Team.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

I'm glad the version I download is the one that has astronomical GM/Manager-only improvements every year and not the weird version some other people report getting that doesn't have any major changes from one version to the next.

We all get different things out of the game.

I am glad that some people get a lot out of each release and find what they need.
I don’t hate that.

There are just not many changes that are personally meaningful to me since say OOTP 19
Others agree with me, many others do not agree with me.

It is hard to satisfy everyone for a game that comes out yearly.
I will for sure check out OOTP 24 when and if it is announced and see what will be new additions.
I have low expectations. But I would love for those low expectations to be shattered.