groundball %

FreeThinker0 · 05-08-2003, 01:24 PM

does groundball % reflect on homerun/double rating? if not, it probably should be. also, if they have a 68% groundball rating (just an example), is there really a 68% chance a groundball will be hit?

PoisonMaddux · 05-08-2003, 02:08 PM

I think so. I like to believe it is. I have a lefty and a righty in my pen that I call my double play guys. (Ray King and Paul Quantrill) Both are listed as 75%, so when I get in a tight situation like bases loaded one out late in the ball game, I go to them.

CoachL · 05-08-2003, 02:13 PM

I wonder if it does affect home runs. I have a pitcher who has a 65% for groundball/flyball and he seems to give up a lot of home runs.

clarnzz · 05-08-2003, 02:16 PM

I don't think it affects home runs at all. The only thing I think it effects is where the outs are hit to. Groundballers may have a slight advantage due to an increased number of GIDPs but as far as Im concerned I dont even pay attention to it when evaluating a player.

FreeThinker0 · 05-08-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by clarnzz
I don't think it affects home runs at all. The only thing I think it effects is where the outs are hit to. Groundballers may have a slight advantage due to an increased number of GIDPs but as far as Im concerned I dont even pay attention to it when evaluating a player.

i think that it is important to have a groundball guy in your pen. when your opponent has men on 1st and 2nd, and groundball guy is money.

anyway, i think they should be related in the future

Kelric · 05-08-2003, 03:39 PM

Well if the guy has a 2 in Avoiding Homeruns, he is still going to be giving up homers, even with a 99% groundball percentage....

FreeThinker0 · 05-08-2003, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by Kelric
Well if the guy has a 2 in Avoiding Homeruns, he is still going to be giving up homers, even with a 99% groundball percentage....

in the game yea, but in real baseball the groundball pitchers dont give up many homeruns. ive never seen a groundball homerun before. and if you have 99% groundballs, assuming you face 33 batters per game, you would give up 1 homerun every 3 games.

Plutoro · 05-08-2003, 04:08 PM

maybe there all inside the park HR"s dont the left field line

mtw · 05-08-2003, 05:11 PM

I looked at this in v4, and GB% seemed to have nothing to do with HR's or GDP's. HR's are a function of the pitcher's HR rating (which makes sense), while GDP's seem to be related more to luck and the pitcher's Avoid Runs rating than anything else (luck mostly).

CoachL · 05-08-2003, 05:52 PM

So, in essence the groundball percentage is useless.

yabanci · 05-08-2003, 08:39 PM

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So, in essence the groundball percentage is useless.

Well, if you look at the box score it shows the number of ground balls vs. fly balls for each pitcher, and the ratios generally reflect the picther's groundball ratio. So it seems the game does take the rating into account.

Where the ground ball percentage should be relevant is with defense. If you have a staff with predominantly ground ball pitchers, you better have a good infield defense to stop those grounders from getting through. If you have fly ball pitchers, you need outfileders with good range so those fly balls don't drop.

CareyScurry · 05-08-2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by yabanci
[BWhere the ground ball percentage should be relevant is with defense...[/B]

Which is why I pay attention to it (apart from being a freak...)

lynchjm24 · 05-08-2003, 09:09 PM

Aren't GB/FB ratios based on outs, not balls in play.

yabanci · 05-08-2003, 10:17 PM

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Aren't GB/FB ratios based on outs, not balls in play.

Yes, so if you have a big ground ball pitcher and infielders with poor range and/or fielding percentage, instead of some of those ground ball outs you would have singles or errors. The same would be true with fly balls and outfielders. At least this is how it works in real life.

ctorg · 05-09-2003, 12:12 PM

I don't think it affects it at all. However, it would be good if in the future they were correlated in fictional players, the way speed and triples are now.

kq76 · 08-31-2003, 02:17 AM

Anybody yet know the truth of this question? Does groundball % determine the type of hit and out or just 1 or the other? I suspect it is only used in determining the type of out, but I don't know.

Henry · 08-31-2003, 07:11 AM

I believe at this point, the GB% only determine whether it's a fly out or ground out - has nothing to do with the hit chances. That is subject to change in the future of course

(ps: last time I went out on the limb like this, Markus jumped in and corrected me - so stay tuned

Markus Heinsohn · 08-31-2003, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by Henry
I believe at this point, the GB% only determine whether it's a fly out or ground out - has nothing to do with the hit chances. That is subject to change in the future of course

(ps: last time I went out on the limb like this, Markus jumped in and corrected me - so stay tuned

LOL...

OK, it's used for outs, as well as singles, doubles and triples...

Henry · 08-31-2003, 12:24 PM

Skipaway · 08-31-2003, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by Markus Heinsohn
LOL...

OK, it's used for outs, as well as singles, doubles and triples...

Is it used before deciding singles, doubles and triples or after?

In other words, would high groundball % reduce doubles and triples or just generate more groundball triples?

Must be the former I guess. Closer to real life.

05-08-2003, 01:24 PM	#1
FreeThinker0 Bat Boy Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 16	groundball % does groundball % reflect on homerun/double rating? if not, it probably should be. also, if they have a 68% groundball rating (just an example), is there really a 68% chance a groundball will be hit?

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PoisonMaddux Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 156	I think so. I like to believe it is. I have a lefty and a righty in my pen that I call my double play guys. (Ray King and Paul Quantrill) Both are listed as 75%, so when I get in a tight situation like bases loaded one out late in the ball game, I go to them. __________________ Atlanta Braves in 2003!

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mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	I looked at this in v4, and GB% seemed to have nothing to do with HR's or GDP's. HR's are a function of the pitcher's HR rating (which makes sense), while GDP's seem to be related more to luck and the pitcher's Avoid Runs rating than anything else (luck mostly). __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist

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CoachL Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hilmar, CA Posts: 124	I wonder if it does affect home runs. I have a pitcher who has a 65% for groundball/flyball and he seems to give up a lot of home runs.

05-08-2003, 02:16 PM	#4
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	I don't think it affects home runs at all. The only thing I think it effects is where the outs are hit to. Groundballers may have a slight advantage due to an increased number of GIDPs but as far as Im concerned I dont even pay attention to it when evaluating a player.

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Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Well if the guy has a 2 in Avoiding Homeruns, he is still going to be giving up homers, even with a 99% groundball percentage....

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CoachL Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hilmar, CA Posts: 124	So, in essence the groundball percentage is useless.

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lynchjm24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hartford Posts: 978 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Aren't GB/FB ratios based on outs, not balls in play.

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kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,062	Anybody yet know the truth of this question? Does groundball % determine the type of hit and out or just 1 or the other? I suspect it is only used in determining the type of out, but I don't know. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

08-31-2003, 07:11 AM	#17
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	I believe at this point, the GB% only determine whether it's a fly out or ground out - has nothing to do with the hit chances. That is subject to change in the future of course (ps: last time I went out on the limb like this, Markus jumped in and corrected me - so stay tuned

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