Rehab or back to the majors ?

Bobbyraz49 · 03-25-2022, 09:17 AM

Thoughts on a player coming off of IL please.

Bluenoser · 03-25-2022, 09:26 AM

Injury type?

Length of time on DL?

Pitcher? Fielder?

Team situation? (pennant race, really need player right now .... out of it, can afford to give him rehab time...etc etc)

Any other info....

Curve Ball Dave · 03-25-2022, 10:29 AM

How bad do you need the guy? Answer that and there's your solution.

Birdland24 · 03-25-2022, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Injury type?

Length of time on DL?

Pitcher? Fielder?

Team situation? (pennant race, really need player right now .... out of it, can afford to give him rehab time...etc etc)

Any other info....

So basically there’s no benefit to the rehab assignment outside of it helping your roster for the time being?

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Curve Ball Dave · 03-25-2022, 10:59 AM

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So basically there’s no benefit to the rehab assignment outside of it helping your roster for the time being?

A guy coming off the 60 Day DL after a long term injury should go for a rehab assignment. It's not uncommon to discover that the injury pretty much made the guy useless as a big league player anymore and you find that out while he's playing in the minors. Plus, he needs to shake off the rust even if the injury didn't make him toast as far as being a big league player is concerned.

If it's a guy coming off of a short term injury, then you start ask questions about how bad you need him in the lineup.

Bluenoser · 03-25-2022, 11:09 AM

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So basically there’s no benefit to the rehab assignment outside of it helping your roster for the time being?

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There's plenty of benefit. It depends on a number of things, and no one thing in particular.

oldfatbaldguy · 03-25-2022, 03:04 PM

It's all about rust, right? Or do we think there's somehow a lesser chance of aggravating the injury in the minors?

BirdWatcher · 03-25-2022, 05:22 PM

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It's all about rust, right? Or do we think there's somehow a lesser chance of aggravating the injury in the minors?

This is an interesting question that I have never really considered (for me, it has always been all about the rust, and maybe about some roster management issues and timing).
But I could see where, for a pitcher in particular, a rehab stint might be a chance to ease back into action more than being thrust right back into a major league season, where the impulse might be to over-extend right away. (The rationale, in my mind, being that a big league pitcher doesn't really need to have his best stuff to exceed at AAA and whether the AAA team wins or not isn't the primary motivation for him- or really even for the other players on the team, who are trying to earn a trip to the bigs.) Therefore, theoretically, I could see where a minor league rehab stint might decrease, at least slightly, the risk of immediate re-injury.

Whether that is actually true, and more importantly whether it is something modeled in the game, I have no idea.

Sweed · 03-25-2022, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BirdWatcher

This is an interesting question that I have never really considered (for me, it has always been all about the rust, and maybe about some roster management issues and timing).
But I could see where, for a pitcher in particular, a rehab stint might be a chance to ease back into action more than being thrust right back into a major league season, where the impulse might be to over-extend right away. (The rationale, in my mind, being that a big league pitcher doesn't really need to have his best stuff to exceed at AAA and whether the AAA team wins or not isn't the primary motivation for him- or really even for the other players on the team, who are trying to earn a trip to the bigs.) Therefore, theoretically, I could see where a minor league rehab stint might decrease, at least slightly, the risk of immediate re-injury.

Whether that is actually true, and more importantly whether it is something modeled in the game, I have no idea.

I would add with regard to pitchers it is about rust mostly but, also limiting their use via pitch count.

Look at it this way if your P has some rust and is not performing up to his MLB standard you're looking for trouble. Think of the times an error behind your P resulted in a "big inning". That extra runner can take a win to a loss quickly. Now you don't rehab your P and he is rusty and he gives up an extra baserunner via BB or hit. You're in the same spot an error can cause, IE extra baserunner and that's not good.

You can also limit the pitches when the P is rehabbing. IF he throws 90 -100 at MLB set him to 70-80 on rehab. He shakes rust with as little exposure as possible. In a MLB game are you cutting him off in the 4th inning of an important game because he has thrown 80 pitches? Probably not. Will you extend him to a 105-110 at the MLB level because the game is important or the pen is tired? If he's at AAA with a pitch count all those worries go away.

Batters may not be quite as important to do but, I still send mine out on rehab so they can shake the rust and get their swing back. I don't want these guys coming up in critical situations on the MLB level.

Same caveats as already mentioned apply.
How long was he out?
Where are we in the season?
How important are the games?
Is 80% of him better than 100% of the replacement?
Even if it is is it worth risking a star? (goes back to how important the games being played are)
etc. etc. etc.

Syd Thrift · 03-25-2022, 06:38 PM

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It's all about rust, right? Or do we think there's somehow a lesser chance of aggravating the injury in the minors?

It’s mostly rust but players tend to get a lot more limited in their usage when on rehab assignments to the minors, at least IME. And as noted, sometimes a guy completely loses it, especially if it’s one of those longterm, year+ injuries.

oldfatbaldguy · 03-25-2022, 08:32 PM

Good thoughts, thanks.

Bobbyraz49 · 03-26-2022, 10:15 AM

Appreciate the feedback folks.

Pelican · 03-26-2022, 11:00 PM

I use the rehab assignment if I think the player needs it (has been out awhile) and I can spare him. I notice that some guys rake (or dominate on the mound) at AAA right away (so I activate them), and others struggle - seemingly justifying the rehab stint. It can take awhile to get innings up for starters coming back from a long layoff.

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oldfatbaldguy Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 390	Good thoughts, thanks.

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Bobbyraz49 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 926	Appreciate the feedback folks.

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Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,939	I use the rehab assignment if I think the player needs it (has been out awhile) and I can spare him. I notice that some guys rake (or dominate on the mound) at AAA right away (so I activate them), and others struggle - seemingly justifying the rehab stint. It can take awhile to get innings up for starters coming back from a long layoff.