Should there be a grievance system in OOTP?

tejdog1 · 12-02-2021, 10:34 PM

Stuff like this, for example, would result in grievances, etc... (I'm thinking of Cespedes v boar IRL). Would that be a good system to add into OOTP? Could it be done?

NoOne · 12-03-2021, 05:51 AM

is it in storylines already? as long as i can turn it off :P

Bluenoser · 12-03-2021, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

Stuff like this, for example, would result in grievances, etc... (I'm thinking of Cespedes v boar IRL). Would that be a good system to add into OOTP? Could it be done?

What exactly are you going to grieve in this case? He got injured, he's out for 3 months.

Sweed · 12-03-2021, 09:25 AM

If player personalities were fleshed out more, we had the ability to talk to players, and maybe the players had agents I could see having this. Some players coming down on the team's side with others supporting the player. Team meetings where we would explain to others on the roster, that thought it unfair to not pay the contract, why we were doing what we were doing. Without that type of depth I think it would be a little "fluff" addition with little value. If it's a story line I'll never see it, those are turned off in my game. If it's one of the off field items that come from time to time well... I may need it once every 10 seasons and the AI once per? IDK.

In the end if it were added to the game I wouldn't complain but it's nothing I'd personally ask for.

RchW · 12-03-2021, 10:34 AM

MLB contracts have prohibited activities spelled out which allows teams to void the contract although that is rare, maybe never done. Two significant cases were Paul Quantrill's snowmobile crash and Jeff Kent's motorcycle crash in which both players lied as the activities were prohibited. Neither contract was voided.

Not sure what's wanted here. The game has no void contract module hence a grievance system is moot.

joefromchicago · 12-03-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

is it in storylines already? as long as i can turn it off :P

Nope, that's an off-field injury. I don't know if you can turn those off or not.

ChrisJNelson · 12-03-2021, 02:26 PM

The reality is there are probably some areas like this and PEDs that MLB-licensed games wouldn't be allowed to touch.

oldfatbaldguy · 12-03-2021, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

If player personalities were fleshed out more, we had the ability to talk to players, and maybe the players had agents I could see having this. Some players coming down on the team's side with others supporting the player. Team meetings where we would explain to others on the roster, that thought it unfair to not pay the contract, why we were doing what we were doing.

That sounds like the sort of hyper-realism that has turned Football Manager into something that feels more like an actual job than a game that lets you pretend you have that actual job. I mean, I'm all for it in theory, but in practice I'm playing OOTP and I haven't touched FM in quite a while.

Sweed · 12-03-2021, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by oldfatbaldguy

That sounds like the sort of hyper-realism that has turned Football Manager into something that feels more like an actual job than a game that lets you pretend you have that actual job. I mean, I'm all for it in theory, but in practice I'm playing OOTP and I haven't touched FM in quite a while.

Not advocating either way. Just noting without depth it would be fluff IMHO.

Syd Thrift · 12-03-2021, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by oldfatbaldguy

That sounds like the sort of hyper-realism that has turned Football Manager into something that feels more like an actual job than a game that lets you pretend you have that actual job. I mean, I'm all for it in theory, but in practice I'm playing OOTP and I haven't touched FM in quite a while.

TBH I find a lot of the interactions in FM interesting. I also think they don’t really fit my preferred style of play, which is to “zoom out” a bit further than being one player playing one team in one league, and from what I’ve seen they tend to be pretty half baked at first and only get the kind of depth that makes sense a couple years down the line. To each their own, I guess.

To the OP, didn’t Ron Gant and Aaron Boone have to forfeit salary when they were injured in non baseball incidents?

GTAltman · 12-04-2021, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

MLB contracts have prohibited activities spelled out which allows teams to void the contract although that is rare, maybe never done. Two significant cases were Paul Quantrill's snowmobile crash and Jeff Kent's motorcycle crash in which both players lied as the activities were prohibited. Neither contract was voided.

Not sure what's wanted here. The game has no void contract module hence a grievance system is moot.

Aaron Boone in the 2003 off season, after hitting the HR off Wakefield blew out his knee in a pick-up basketball game and the Yankees voided the last year of his contract....

I can see where this could be useful.

PSUColonel · 12-04-2021, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

Not advocating either way. Just noting without depth it would be fluff IMHO.

right...another half-baked feature. Hopefully they can improve on a lot of the the things they already introduced and add the depth you speak of.

RchW · 12-07-2021, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by oldfatbaldguy

That sounds like the sort of hyper-realism that has turned Football Manager into something that feels more like an actual job than a game that lets you pretend you have that actual job. I mean, I'm all for it in theory, but in practice I'm playing OOTP and I haven't touched FM in quite a while.

Exactly why I stopped playing. Too much manufactured angst.

Bobfather · 12-08-2021, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

Stuff like this, for example, would result in grievances, etc... (I'm thinking of Cespedes v boar IRL). Would that be a good system to add into OOTP? Could it be done?

Or just turn off storylines.

BIG17EASY · 12-08-2021, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobfather

Or just turn off storylines.

It's not a storyline. Just an off-field injury.

PSUColonel · 12-09-2021, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobfather

Or just turn off storylines.

See, to me, that's not an answer that improves OOTP.

tejdog1 · 12-15-2021, 02:03 PM

Well, again, if you look up the Yoenis Cespedes vs boar thing from 2019... he was doing... something... on his ranch, and fell in a hole? Or was wrestling a boar, or who the hell knows, but anyway, the end result was his 2019 salary was cut by 50% and his 2020 base was reduced from 29.5 mil to 6m with incentives.

That's what I'm going for here.

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12-15-2021, 02:03 PM	#17
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,650	Well, again, if you look up the Yoenis Cespedes vs boar thing from 2019... he was doing... something... on his ranch, and fell in a hole? Or was wrestling a boar, or who the hell knows, but anyway, the end result was his 2019 salary was cut by 50% and his 2020 base was reduced from 29.5 mil to 6m with incentives. That's what I'm going for here. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

12-03-2021, 05:51 AM	#2
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	is it in storylines already? as long as i can turn it off :P

12-03-2021, 09:25 AM	#4
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 6,746	If player personalities were fleshed out more, we had the ability to talk to players, and maybe the players had agents I could see having this. Some players coming down on the team's side with others supporting the player. Team meetings where we would explain to others on the roster, that thought it unfair to not pay the contract, why we were doing what we were doing. Without that type of depth I think it would be a little "fluff" addition with little value. If it's a story line I'll never see it, those are turned off in my game. If it's one of the off field items that come from time to time well... I may need it once every 10 seasons and the AI once per? IDK. In the end if it were added to the game I wouldn't complain but it's nothing I'd personally ask for.

12-03-2021, 02:26 PM	#7
ChrisJNelson Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 323 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	The reality is there are probably some areas like this and PEDs that MLB-licensed games wouldn't be allowed to touch.