Pitcher Injuries

Thomidor · 07-10-2020, 06:47 PM

What is the deal with pitcher injuries????? I have lost over half my original pitching staff with injuries... including two pitchers in one game.. Is this a common occurrence? I find it very ridiculous that this should be the case. I know injuries occur to pitchers every year but for one club to lose 7 pitchers to injuries and I am not even half way through the season. I just don't get it.

bwiese3908 · 07-10-2020, 06:54 PM

Seriously!!!???

Thomidor · 07-10-2020, 06:58 PM

Lost my Starter in the 3rd Inning and then in the 6th lost a reliever. Starter is out 2-3 weeks and the reliever is out 4-5 months. Add to this another starter out for 3 weeks, a reliever out 2-3 months, another reliever out 4-5 months, and another reliever out 5 weeks. That's not counting the two I've sent down to AAA and one Starter is out for 5 weeks and the other Reliever 2-3 months

DJ_Jak_32 · 07-10-2020, 07:19 PM

The Yankees had an All-Star team on the IL last season.....part of the game. If you don't like how many are occurring, you can lower the frequency.

bwiese3908 · 07-10-2020, 07:20 PM

What setting do you have injuries on?

Personally, I prefer Normal OOTP Classic then i make the Position Player Fatigue High. This gives me the results that I like.

Thomidor · 07-10-2020, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bwiese3908

What setting do you have injuries on?

Personally, I prefer Normal OOTP Classic then i make the Position Player Fatigue High. This gives me the results that I like.

I have no idea! I can't find that setting.

RchW · 07-10-2020, 07:44 PM

Thomidor, relax, it's just a game.

Thomidor · 07-10-2020, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Thomidor, relax, it's just a game.

I'm relaxed. I am asking a question if this is a common thing or just happening and I am the unfortunate person that it is happening to. I have a/had people suggest editing settings in several locations and either I can not find that setting or it will not let me edit/see those setting. I am just searching for answers.

bwiese3908 · 07-10-2020, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Thomidor, relax, it's just a game.

Oops.. Meant to quote Thomidor

It is under Game settings > Players & FaceGen

Syd Thrift · 07-10-2020, 07:50 PM

Yes, it's a common thing. Your lucky is slightly bad but only slightly so. You can edit a setting to make injuries less common and realistic but that doesn't change the fact that yes, this is common.

RchW · 07-10-2020, 08:08 PM

See attached.

BirdWatcher · 07-10-2020, 08:50 PM

Yes, just to echo what so many others have said:

1) Settings. The great thing about OOTP, unlike real life, is you get to play god and can dial this way, way down (or just get rid of injuries, entirely).

2) Real life. Baseball pitchers get injured. All. The. Time. Most OOTP settings that people use don't actually reflect that well, because, well, who wants to deal with reality? But seriously: pitchers, injuries- these two were made for each other.

MizzouRah · 07-11-2020, 12:47 AM

I play on real life "high" and typically don't have all that many. I make sure not to sign fragile or wrecked players and lean towards durable as much as I can.

It's also very important to hire the best trainer you can.

BirdWatcher · 07-11-2020, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I play on real life "high" and typically don't have all that many. I make sure not to sign fragile or wrecked players and lean towards durable as much as I can.

It's also very important to hire the best trainer you can.

Yes to this and I thought about this as I was falling asleep that we probably weren't giving Thomidor the most complete answer- as of course this is a complex game (baseball and OOTP, I mean).

Thomidor- you will also want to look at the injury proneness ratings for your staff. Fragile pitchers are an invitation for disaster. (Wrecked? Well, don't even go near that.) Now having said that, not all Fragile pitchers are the same and on my team our current Captain is a fragile left-handed starting pitcher who is pretty good and who, while often being injured, is prone mostly thus far to very short-term (often day-to-day) injuries that aren't arm related. But if you are worried about injuries on your pitching staff then you would be wise to focus on finding Durable or even Iron Man pitchers.

And then there is your trainer. Get a good one. In my opinion, there are two personnel positions where you don't want to have anyone who isn't at least very good to great and those are Head Scout and Trainer. (Assuming that scouting and injuries are turned on in your league.) How is your trainer? How is he, particularly, at prevents arm injuries or heal arm injuries? (I say this not because these are more important than other aspects, but because they are most important when it comes to pitchers.)

Then there is usage. Are pitcher's being allowed to pitch into very high pitch counts on a regular basis? Not that this is necessarily a bad strategic move for your team, but it can increase the possibility of injuries. How quickly are you bringing starters back between starts? I try to never start a pitcher who isn't fully rested. It isn't necessary, but it sure helps avoid injuries, and poor starts. (Also, build depth in your starting staff and make sure you have some not horrible emergency options down at AAA because injuries will happen.)

Again, Thomidor, this is a complex game and not one that can really be just be purchased and played with any expectation of success or understanding from the start. It requires research and trial and error and has a steep learning curve. But hey, most things worthwhile don't come easy. Keep asking questions, read the manual, experiment and explore in the game without expecting perfection right away (well, ever), fail and learn from the failures, read the manual, read other threads here, perhaps especially in the New to the Game subfolder, oh, and did I say, read the manual?

(Okay, confession, I'm not a read the manual cover-to-cover kind of guy, but it is a great resource to come back to over and over and to be read in bits and pieces as needed.)

Thomidor · 07-13-2020, 10:37 AM

Thanks everyone for the responses. I am going to do a complete review of my bullpen and see what is what. I know two of my pitchers are in their mid to late 30s so that could be a contributing factor. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, was a busy weekend of fun with the family.

bertha · 07-13-2020, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Thomidor, relax, it's just a game.

agree

Syd Thrift · 07-13-2020, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomidor

Thanks everyone for the responses. I am going to do a complete review of my bullpen and see what is what. I know two of my pitchers are in their mid to late 30s so that could be a contributing factor. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, was a busy weekend of fun with the family.

You could also very well have Fragile or Wrecked pitchers. In fact, if you’ve got guys in their late 30s, it’s kind of rare to have a guy that age who isn’t at least Fragile. Those guys pretty much *will* get hurt at some time during the season. It’s not a question of if but when and how many innings you’ll be able to coax out of them before they do.

swoboda · 07-13-2020, 05:25 PM

Can you top this one
:
I made a big two for one trade to get an ace starter during the off season
Tough choice but I needed a #1 SP

Opening day of the new season, first batter......the new ace is injured and out for the next twelve months

Syd Thrift · 07-13-2020, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by swoboda

Can you top this one
:
I made a big two for one trade to get an ace starter during the off season
Tough choice but I needed a #1 SP

Opening day of the new season, first batter......the new ace is injured and out for the next twelve months

This wasn't a staff ace, but it also wasn't right at the beginning of the season, either, when the "rust" element dramatically increases injury rates... I had one team in my league trade for a decent looking #3 starter to help their pennant chances (this happened in late May) and boom, first batter he faced, he's out for 10-11 months.

Sweed · 07-13-2020, 06:52 PM

I drafted a P in the late first round, good skills but not great. Came through the minors quickly with nice development to the point of being a #2 and maybe a #1. Pitched well in ST then threw 1 pitch in his MLB debut and was done for the year.

Came back fragile, still had the same great stuff and pitches to be a good one but the stamina was wrecked. Very good setup man for me, when healthy, but oh my, what could have been?

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07-10-2020, 08:50 PM	#12
BirdWatcher Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 4,263	Yes, just to echo what so many others have said: 1) Settings. The great thing about OOTP, unlike real life, is you get to play god and can dial this way, way down (or just get rid of injuries, entirely). 2) Real life. Baseball pitchers get injured. All. The. Time. Most OOTP settings that people use don't actually reflect that well, because, well, who wants to deal with reality? But seriously: pitchers, injuries- these two were made for each other. __________________ The Denver Brewers of the W.P. Kinsella League-- The fun starts here(1965-1971: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=289570 And continues here (1972-1976): https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=300500 On we go (1977- 1979): https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=314601 For ongoing and more random updates on the WPK:https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=325147, https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=330717

07-13-2020, 10:37 AM	#15
Thomidor Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 30	Thanks everyone for the responses. I am going to do a complete review of my bullpen and see what is what. I know two of my pitchers are in their mid to late 30s so that could be a contributing factor. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, was a busy weekend of fun with the family. Last edited by Thomidor; 07-13-2020 at 10:59 AM.

07-13-2020, 05:25 PM	#18
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,230	Can you top this one : I made a big two for one trade to get an ace starter during the off season Tough choice but I needed a #1 SP Opening day of the new season, first batter......the new ace is injured and out for the next twelve months __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

07-10-2020, 06:47 PM	#1
Thomidor Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 30	Pitcher Injuries What is the deal with pitcher injuries????? I have lost over half my original pitching staff with injuries... including two pitchers in one game.. Is this a common occurrence? I find it very ridiculous that this should be the case. I know injuries occur to pitchers every year but for one club to lose 7 pitchers to injuries and I am not even half way through the season. I just don't get it.

07-10-2020, 06:54 PM	#2
bwiese3908 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 145	Seriously!!!???

07-10-2020, 06:58 PM	#3
Thomidor Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 30	Lost my Starter in the 3rd Inning and then in the 6th lost a reliever. Starter is out 2-3 weeks and the reliever is out 4-5 months. Add to this another starter out for 3 weeks, a reliever out 2-3 months, another reliever out 4-5 months, and another reliever out 5 weeks. That's not counting the two I've sent down to AAA and one Starter is out for 5 weeks and the other Reliever 2-3 months

07-10-2020, 07:19 PM	#4
DJ_Jak_32 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 261	The Yankees had an All-Star team on the IL last season.....part of the game. If you don't like how many are occurring, you can lower the frequency.

07-10-2020, 07:20 PM	#5
bwiese3908 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 145	What setting do you have injuries on? Personally, I prefer Normal OOTP Classic then i make the Position Player Fatigue High. This gives me the results that I like.

07-11-2020, 12:47 AM	#13
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,266	I play on real life "high" and typically don't have all that many. I make sure not to sign fragile or wrecked players and lean towards durable as much as I can. It's also very important to hire the best trainer you can.

07-13-2020, 06:52 PM	#20
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,036	I drafted a P in the late first round, good skills but not great. Came through the minors quickly with nice development to the point of being a #2 and maybe a #1. Pitched well in ST then threw 1 pitch in his MLB debut and was done for the year. Came back fragile, still had the same great stuff and pitches to be a good one but the stamina was wrecked. Very good setup man for me, when healthy, but oh my, what could have been?