Randomness in Historical replays?

[fredbeene]

If you do a historical WITHOUT using actual transactions and lineups, is there still randomness?

I ask because each time i have run 77 in this fashion these things occur
Rico Carty at age 38 is the cleveland catcher (he played catcher for a few games early in his career in real life)
Sal Regnal a minor leaguer who never played in majors is on the roster

Is there a way to prevent or set a % of minor leaguers who never played in majors to be allowed on major roster?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by fredbeene

If you do a historical WITHOUT using actual transactions and lineups, is there still randomness?

I ask because each time i have run 77 in this fashion these things occur
Rico Carty at age 38 is the cleveland catcher (he played catcher for a few games early in his career in real life)
Sal Regnal a minor leaguer who never played in majors is on the roster

Is there a way to prevent or set a % of minor leaguers who never played in majors to be allowed on major roster?

Set base fielding ratings on import season or 3 years and Rico Carty shouldn't have catcher ratings in 1977.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Set base fielding ratings on import season or 3 years and Rico Carty shouldn't have catcher ratings in 1977.

That's the way I'd think it's supposed to work, however, in my sim where I have the following settings...

- Player Development disabled
- Player roles / positions based on Real Life Stats
- 1 year recalc
- fielding ratings based upon current season

... I still found the following Dodger & Red Sox (just spot-checking) examples:

1) Tommy Davis was the primary backup at 1B despite not playing 1B in real life that year, or any other year prior to 1967

2) Wes Parker was the primary leftfielder in '66 despite only playing one game in LF (9 in CF) that year in real life...

3) Davey Lopes was the Dodgers' primary LF in '73 & '75 despite IRL playing just 2 games in CF in '73, and no games in the OF in '75.

4) Bill Russell was the Dodgers' starter at 2B in '75 & '78, and a platoon at 2B in '78, despite IRL not having played the position since '71, and not again until '84.

5) Carl Yastrzemski (a lefthanded thrower) was the Sox' starting 2B in '75 & '78 despite never having played the position IRL, and was the starter at 3B in '76 despite not having played that position IRL since 33 games in '73.

So I'm not sure those settings are working as intended...

[Syd Thrift]

Hmm. IME the game never rates left handed throwers at 3rd, short, or 2nd, unless they literally played games that season.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Hmm. IME the game never rates left handed throwers at 3rd, short, or 2nd, unless they literally played games that season.

Interesting.

I should add that I'm experiencing some other weird things that others can't replicate, such as the phantom real-life injuries described in this thread - https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/....php?p=4636950 - although I am playing without real life injuries... So maybe I need to re-install or something...

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by thehef

That's the way I'd think it's supposed to work, however, in my sim where I have the following settings...

- Player Development disabled
- Player roles / positions based on Real Life Stats
- 1 year recalc
- fielding ratings based upon current season

... I still found the following Dodger & Red Sox (just spot-checking) examples:

1) Tommy Davis was the primary backup at 1B despite not playing 1B in real life that year, or any other year prior to 1967

2) Wes Parker was the primary leftfielder in '66 despite only playing one game in LF (9 in CF) that year in real life...

3) Davey Lopes was the Dodgers' primary LF in '73 & '75 despite IRL playing just 2 games in CF in '73, and no games in the OF in '75.

4) Bill Russell was the Dodgers' starter at 2B in '75 & '78, and a platoon at 2B in '78, despite IRL not having played the position since '71, and not again until '84.

5) Carl Yastrzemski (a lefthanded thrower) was the Sox' starting 2B in '75 & '78 despite never having played the position IRL, and was the starter at 3B in '76 despite not having played that position IRL since 33 games in '73.

So I'm not sure those settings are working as intended...

Wow, I've never seen this kind of stuff occur. I can't stomach that kind of stuff, so I really hope I never see it in one of my games.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Wow, I've never seen this kind of stuff occur. I can't stomach that kind of stuff, so I really hope I never see it in one of my games.

Right? Very frustrating...

I'm also now finding that it appears the ratings or recalc or whatever are off by a year. Just a few examples:

IRL, Bill Buckner, Bill Russell, and Joe Ferguson each had a dreadful 1975 season (mostly due to injuries, but that's not relevant). Jimmy Wynn also experienced dropoff from his excellent '74 season, and Steve Yeager dipped significantly, too. In all of these guys' cases, their sim '73 season looked like their real life '74 season, their sim 74 season looked more like their real life '75 season, and so forth.

These results are all with the following settings:

- Player Development disabled
- Player roles / positions based on Real Life Stats
- 1 year recalc
- fielding ratings based upon current season

Additional examples:

- IRL, Brady Anderson hit his 50 HR's in 1996. In my sim, he hit 45 HR's in 1995 (and 17 in '96).
- IRL, Joe Charboneau's lone good year was in 1980, when he hit .289 w 23 HR's and 87 RBI. In the sim: His lone good year was in 1979: .302/26/86
- IRL, Fred Lynn had his MVP/ROY year in '75, dipped a bit in '76, and saw his avg drop significantly but HR numbers go back up in '77. In the sim, his breakout year was in '74, the dip in '75, and the avg drop & HR increase in '76...

Lots of examples like this...

Anybody else seeing anything like this?

[pstrickert]

Nope. Not that I'm aware of. And I do a lot of testing with precisely the same settings you just listed.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

Nope. Not that I'm aware of. And I do a lot of testing with precisely the same settings you just listed.

That's not the only weird thing I'm seeing. Recommendation?

[pstrickert]

I'm at a loss.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by thehef

Right? Very frustrating...

I'm also now finding that it appears the ratings or recalc or whatever are off by a year. Just a few examples:

IRL, Bill Buckner, Bill Russell, and Joe Ferguson each had a dreadful 1975 season (mostly due to injuries, but that's not relevant). Jimmy Wynn also experienced dropoff from his excellent '74 season, and Steve Yeager dipped significantly, too. In all of these guys' cases, their sim '73 season looked like their real life '74 season, their sim 74 season looked more like their real life '75 season, and so forth.

These results are all with the following settings:

- Player Development disabled
- Player roles / positions based on Real Life Stats
- 1 year recalc
- fielding ratings based upon current season

Additional examples:

- IRL, Brady Anderson hit his 50 HR's in 1996. In my sim, he hit 45 HR's in 1995 (and 17 in '96).
- IRL, Joe Charboneau's lone good year was in 1980, when he hit .289 w 23 HR's and 87 RBI. In the sim: His lone good year was in 1979: .302/26/86
- IRL, Fred Lynn had his MVP/ROY year in '75, dipped a bit in '76, and saw his avg drop significantly but HR numbers go back up in '77. In the sim, his breakout year was in '74, the dip in '75, and the avg drop & HR increase in '76...

Lots of examples like this...

Anybody else seeing anything like this?

Have you posted this in the bug section? What you're describing is really messed up.

[Reed]

Probably a stupid question but are you sure autocalc is set to the right year?

[fredbeene]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Wow, I've never seen this kind of stuff occur. I can't stomach that kind of stuff, so I really hope I never see it in one of my games.

And then back to part of my orginal question, RANDOMNESS.
OK you want Rico Carty to play C at 38 years old after not playing for their for 15 year....nice random decision.

But since it always occurs then there really is not the randomness to the AI managers/gms that i would have expected (???)

[thehef]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Have you posted this in the bug section? What you're describing is really messed up.

No, not yet. I was first trying to find out if anybody else was experiencing this issue (and the issue with the phantom "255 day(s)" injuries, linked to a few posts above). I'm also not clear if it's a bug if I'm the only one experiencing it. But I guess I'll post both of these... I'm also considering just doing an uninstall/reinstall.

Originally Posted by Reed

Probably a stupid question but are you sure autocalc is set to the right year?

Well, to my knowledge, there's nowhere to set the specific year, but the choices are 1-yr, 3-yr, and 5-yr. None of those - especially 1-yr that I typically use - should give the results I'm getting. I mean, I'm quite certain that I'm using these settings:

- Player Development disabled
- Player roles / positions based on Real Life Stats
- 1 year recalc
- fielding ratings based upon current season

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by thehef

No, not yet. I was first trying to find out if anybody else was experiencing this issue (and the issue with the phantom "255 day(s)" injuries, linked to a few posts above). I'm also not clear if it's a bug if I'm the only one experiencing it. But I guess I'll post both of these... I'm also considering just doing an uninstall/reinstall.



Well, to my knowledge, there's nowhere to set the specific year, but the choices are 1-yr, 3-yr, and 5-yr. None of those - especially 1-yr that I typically use - should give the results I'm getting. I mean, I'm quite certain that I'm using these settings:

- Player Development disabled
- Player roles / positions based on Real Life Stats
- 1 year recalc
- fielding ratings based upon current season

Easy to check on what recalc you're using. Go to historical menu of your league and it should clearly say 1 year, 3 year or 5. 3 is the default.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Easy to check on what recalc you're using. Go to historical menu of your league and it should clearly say 1 year, 3 year or 5. 3 is the default.

Right. Already done did that a few times. Confirmed that I'm using 1-year. But thanks for following up!

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by thehef

Right. Already done did that a few times. Confirmed that I'm using 1-year. But thanks for following up!

Okay, I'm definitely not seeing the Fred Lynn issue. In fact, I created 1974 two separate times and Lynn is just a bit player all of 74. He then explodes on the scene in 1975. I also created 1973 and fast simmed to the end of 75. Again Lynn is just a role player in 74 and stud in 75.


Now I think I may have an answer to your 255 issue. I too was seeing the 255 issue. In fact, in one of the leagues, Dick Sharon was on the IL for San Diego in 1975. He never once came off the IL in OOTP. I real life he played for the Padres that season. He then retires at the end of 75 as he did in real life

So I created 1974 again using real transactions. This time after selecting real transactions from the Historical Wizard, I went down and selected the Advanced option. From the Advanced options I chose the historical menu and from there I unchecked the box for "use real IL transactions." I then created my league. Doing this I no longer seen any 255 guys. The only guys I seen on the injured list were guys that missed the season in real life.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Okay, I'm definitely not seeing the Fred Lynn issue. In fact, I created 1974 two separate times and Lynn is just a bit player all of 74. He then explodes on the scene in 1975. I also created 1973 and fast simmed to the end of 75. Again Lynn is just a role player in 74 and stud in 75.


Now I think I may have an answer to your 255 issue. I too was seeing the 255 issue. In fact, in one of the leagues, Dick Sharon was on the IL for San Diego in 1975. He never once came off the IL in OOTP. I real life he played for the Padres that season. He then retires at the end of 75 as he did in real life

So I created 1974 again using real transactions. This time after selecting real transactions from the Historical Wizard, I went down and selected the Advanced option. From the Advanced options I chose the historical menu and from there I unchecked the box for "use real IL transactions." I then created my league. Doing this I no longer seen any 255 guys. The only guys I seen on the injured list were guys that missed the season in real life.

Yep, and I saw your message (thanks!). Here's the issue:

- The way it's supposed to work is that if you enable historical txns and historical injuries, you will get the historical injuries and they will be indicated on your injured list as the player being out for "255 day(s)." And if you enable historical txns and disable historical injuries, you won't get any of the 255-ers.

- What I am seeing is that if I enable historical txns and disable historical injures, I still get players appearing on the injured list with 255 day(s). However, these do not correspond with real-life injuries. Some sort of bug, I guess.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by thehef

Yep, and I saw your message (thanks!). Here's the issue:

- The way it's supposed to work is that if you enable historical txns and historical injuries, you will get the historical injuries and they will be indicated on your injured list as the player being out for "255 day(s)." And if you enable historical txns and disable historical injuries, you won't get any of the 255-ers.

- What I am seeing is that if I enable historical txns and disable historical injures, I still get players appearing on the injured list with 255 day(s). However, these do not correspond with real-life injuries. Some sort of bug, I guess.

I agree and I was seeing this as well. As I said in the post above in regards to Dick Sharon. If I create the league and after it's created I turn off Maintain historical IL, the 255 problem occurs.

But, if I use the Advanced option and turn off "maintain historical IL" before my league is created, I don't get any of the 255 guys. It appears to me that there could be a bug in regards to turning off real life IL after a league is already created, so you have to turn it off during creation. I hope I'm making sense.

[Reed]

Originally Posted by Reed

Probably a stupid question but are you sure autocalc is set to the right year?

On the stats & AI tab where the modifiers are at. Do those league totals for ABs, hits, HRs, etc., match the real life totals? If not, prior to season start you can select the year above and the right totals should pop up.