Question about drug suspensions when used

Clovidequano Dovatha · 06-11-2018, 12:35 PM

When it comes to OOTP Baseball, are the lengths of related suspensions always as they now are for MLB, at least in terms of historical simulations, if not also fictional ones, or can they be shorter, based on the current season for a particular saved game/dynasty at any time, and depending on the number of known career drug-related suspensions for applicable players? Am currently unsure if they can be modified in 18 without having to edit players' profiles while in Commissioner Mode at this point. Still don't have 19, so don't know about that yet either. Please advise. Thank you. CD out.

darkcloud4579 · 06-11-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

When it comes to OOTP Baseball, are the lengths of related suspensions always as they now are for MLB, at least in terms of historical simulations, if not also fictional ones, or can they be shorter, based on the current season for a particular saved game/dynasty at any time, and depending on the number of known career drug-related suspensions for applicable players? Am currently unsure if they can be modified in 18 without having to edit players' profiles while in Commissioner Mode at this point. Still don't have 19, so don't know about that yet either. Please advise. Thank you. CD out.

Ever since OOTP got the MLB license, drug suspensions are not in the game anymore. Suspensions for fights and so forth are in the game, yes you could edit a suspension by using commish mode to edit the player. Also, there was never a mention of drug suspensions inside of a player's bio back when that was still in the game anyway so you'd never know unless you were paying close attention. (That was the only value of it for me, I wanted to see if it influenced how I voted for guys who were HOF eligible in my leagues.)

The game never tracked them, the answer to your question is no. The game doesn't track career suspensions.

Clovidequano Dovatha · 06-11-2018, 01:53 PM

That statement is incorrect, in relation to certain simulations, darkcloud, for I have definitely seen boxes that can be checked to enable certain kinds of suspensions. And I have seen news for at least one player in some league or dynasty related to that sort of thing before editing out said suspension or suspensions and deleting messages as needed and appropriate, if such was not expected to be possible, et cetera. Can anyone from OOTP, preferably, better answer my earlier question or questions here, please? Thank you. CD out.

Bluenoser · 06-11-2018, 02:58 PM

darkcloud is correct - there have been no drug suspensions in OOTP since they acquired the license with MLB/MLBPA - they are not permitted because of the license.

If you have seen instances of drug suspensions, please post screen shots.

There is only one option for Suspension in game setup - enabled or disabled. There are no options for different types of suspensions. The only other option you have is adjusting frequency when they are enabled.

Clovidequano Dovatha · 06-11-2018, 03:13 PM

Okay, if and when I happen to see them in the future, I shall do so, if I can remember to do so then. There have been shorter suspensions in real life, of course, before they chose to make such things longer, for sure. Just thinking that for historical simulations, at least, they should be length-variable, if users so choose, where possible. Not supporting unethical/illegal/unneeded drug use, mind you. But to be more historically realistic/accurate, those kinds of suspensions could perhaps be length-variable and all, at times, for OOTP. That is all. CD out.

SirMichaelJordan · 06-11-2018, 06:13 PM

I thought they were removed from MLB structure leagues but were there for fictional games?

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mitchkenn · 06-11-2018, 06:31 PM

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I thought they were removed from MLB structure leagues but were there for fictional games?

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i thought so as well, but i've gone 23 years into a fictional league in OOTP 19 now and haven't seen a drug suspension yet, though i constantly see fight suspensions and suspensions due to arguing with umps.

RchW · 06-11-2018, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

I thought they were removed from MLB structure leagues but were there for fictional games?

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Not in mine.

ohiodevil · 06-11-2018, 07:36 PM

Definitely removed in 19 (screen looks the same for a Fictional and Quickstart setup).......I did some searching in the forums and it looks like the last version that had the drug suspension option was 17, but that was only for Fictional games. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ug+suspensions

RchW · 06-11-2018, 09:23 PM

Yep I just confirmed the above.

Clovidequano Dovatha · 06-17-2018, 09:03 PM

As I said, if and when I might see them again in my games, as I have at least once before, though not currently sure if I deleted the related dynasty or dynasties' saved games/backups, I'll try to remember to get screenshots related to them. I may or may not have such shots now, but not sure. I'll have to do some digging, at least, to be sure. But I DO know for a fact that I saw at least one instance of that sort of thing, before editing the related things out through Commissioner Mode, most definitely.

Thank you for your time and attention here, then, everyone. CD out.

ohiodevil · 06-17-2018, 09:30 PM

Definitely was not in a recent version then.....but ok

Clovidequano Dovatha · 06-17-2018, 09:57 PM

Only have had 18, to date, but I DO know I've most definitely seen that sort of thing before, even if I can't currently recall what league or leagues that it or they might have been for, past or present, of mine. CD out.

Clovidequano Dovatha · 06-17-2018, 10:05 PM

I think it might have been for at least one version of a dynasty I deleted, but not sure, a dynasty I called Pit to Palace Dynasty or Pit to Palace Dynasty 001, if memory serves. If so, I seem to have also deleted any number of screenshots related to that dynasty or those dynasties, unfortunately. But if I DO happen to ever see such a thing again, and can remember to do so well enough, I'll try to get shots and post them here. CD out.

saturn2187 · 06-21-2018, 11:10 PM

Evidence that drug suspensions exist in 18 (even with MLB license):

Further Clarification: This league was a "Real" league, not fictional , upon launch. Obviously fictional now in 2029.

ohiodevil · 06-22-2018, 12:34 AM

Could you post the entire screen? This is the Players & Facegen tab in game settings for 18 and as you can see, no Drug Suspension option. (This was using the quickstart)

ohiodevil · 06-22-2018, 12:42 AM

Found it! According the the below thread if you have any teams in your league named after real MLB teams during creation, the option is disabled. Found this thread from a few years ago

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=258154

darkcloud4579 · 06-23-2018, 01:36 PM

This is a great find, I did wonder what happened. That's an interesting thing and I think it's sort of funny that the devs haven't officially addressed it, because it's not a big deal (like, we understand why MLB wouldn't want that in the licensed game or even MLBPA) but...at least don't make us have to "guess" why the feature exists vs. doesn't.

06-11-2018, 12:35 PM	#1
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 7,181	Question about drug suspensions when used When it comes to OOTP Baseball, are the lengths of related suspensions always as they now are for MLB, at least in terms of historical simulations, if not also fictional ones, or can they be shorter, based on the current season for a particular saved game/dynasty at any time, and depending on the number of known career drug-related suspensions for applicable players? Am currently unsure if they can be modified in 18 without having to edit players' profiles while in Commissioner Mode at this point. Still don't have 19, so don't know about that yet either. Please advise. Thank you. CD out.

06-11-2018, 07:36 PM	#9
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,442	Definitely removed in 19 (screen looks the same for a Fictional and Quickstart setup).......I did some searching in the forums and it looks like the last version that had the drug suspension option was 17, but that was only for Fictional games. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ug+suspensions Attached Images Last edited by ohiodevil; 06-11-2018 at 07:39 PM.

06-11-2018, 09:23 PM	#10
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Yep I just confirmed the above. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

06-21-2018, 11:10 PM	#15
saturn2187 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 532	Evidence that drug suspensions exist in 18 (even with MLB license): Further Clarification: This league was a "Real" league, not fictional , upon launch. Obviously fictional now in 2029. Last edited by saturn2187; 06-21-2018 at 11:12 PM.

06-22-2018, 12:34 AM	#16
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,442	Could you post the entire screen? This is the Players & Facegen tab in game settings for 18 and as you can see, no Drug Suspension option. (This was using the quickstart) Attached Images Last edited by ohiodevil; 06-22-2018 at 12:43 AM.

06-11-2018, 01:53 PM	#3
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 7,181	That statement is incorrect, in relation to certain simulations, darkcloud, for I have definitely seen boxes that can be checked to enable certain kinds of suspensions. And I have seen news for at least one player in some league or dynasty related to that sort of thing before editing out said suspension or suspensions and deleting messages as needed and appropriate, if such was not expected to be possible, et cetera. Can anyone from OOTP, preferably, better answer my earlier question or questions here, please? Thank you. CD out.

06-11-2018, 02:58 PM	#4
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,494	darkcloud is correct - there have been no drug suspensions in OOTP since they acquired the license with MLB/MLBPA - they are not permitted because of the license. If you have seen instances of drug suspensions, please post screen shots. There is only one option for Suspension in game setup - enabled or disabled. There are no options for different types of suspensions. The only other option you have is adjusting frequency when they are enabled.

06-11-2018, 03:13 PM	#5
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 7,181	Okay, if and when I happen to see them in the future, I shall do so, if I can remember to do so then. There have been shorter suspensions in real life, of course, before they chose to make such things longer, for sure. Just thinking that for historical simulations, at least, they should be length-variable, if users so choose, where possible. Not supporting unethical/illegal/unneeded drug use, mind you. But to be more historically realistic/accurate, those kinds of suspensions could perhaps be length-variable and all, at times, for OOTP. That is all. CD out.

06-11-2018, 06:13 PM	#6
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,716	I thought they were removed from MLB structure leagues but were there for fictional games? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

06-17-2018, 09:03 PM	#11
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 7,181	As I said, if and when I might see them again in my games, as I have at least once before, though not currently sure if I deleted the related dynasty or dynasties' saved games/backups, I'll try to remember to get screenshots related to them. I may or may not have such shots now, but not sure. I'll have to do some digging, at least, to be sure. But I DO know for a fact that I saw at least one instance of that sort of thing, before editing the related things out through Commissioner Mode, most definitely. Thank you for your time and attention here, then, everyone. CD out.

06-17-2018, 09:30 PM	#12
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,442	Definitely was not in a recent version then.....but ok

06-17-2018, 09:57 PM	#13
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 7,181	Only have had 18, to date, but I DO know I've most definitely seen that sort of thing before, even if I can't currently recall what league or leagues that it or they might have been for, past or present, of mine. CD out.

06-17-2018, 10:05 PM	#14
Clovidequano Dovatha Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Somewhere in the United States of America on God's Earth Posts: 7,181	I think it might have been for at least one version of a dynasty I deleted, but not sure, a dynasty I called Pit to Palace Dynasty or Pit to Palace Dynasty 001, if memory serves. If so, I seem to have also deleted any number of screenshots related to that dynasty or those dynasties, unfortunately. But if I DO happen to ever see such a thing again, and can remember to do so well enough, I'll try to get shots and post them here. CD out.

06-22-2018, 12:42 AM	#17
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,442	Found it! According the the below thread if you have any teams in your league named after real MLB teams during creation, the option is disabled. Found this thread from a few years ago http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=258154 Attached Images Last edited by ohiodevil; 06-22-2018 at 12:47 AM.

06-23-2018, 01:36 PM	#18
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,712	This is a great find, I did wonder what happened. That's an interesting thing and I think it's sort of funny that the devs haven't officially addressed it, because it's not a big deal (like, we understand why MLB wouldn't want that in the licensed game or even MLBPA) but...at least don't make us have to "guess" why the feature exists vs. doesn't. __________________ ------ My Mods OOTP Advanced Stats & DFS Suite Managerial Strategy Pack Competitive Balance Tax Calculator Major League Women's Baseball (OOTP24) quickstart Indian Premier League \| 300+ years of baseball quickstart \| Expatriate League quickstart \| Off-Field Injuries Update \| Women's Name File for OOTP \| ---- Dynasty classics: Centurion comes to OOTP5 \| DC Moneyball Dynasty (2004)