Is This Guy A HOFer?

The Game · 05-03-2016, 02:09 AM

Jesus Burgos dominated the mid 60's like no other SP.
1962 ROTY
1964 AA Mike Christian Award
1966 MCA
1967 MCA
1969 MCA
7 time All Star
1970 World Champ.

I dont think I have anyone who won this many awards not in the HOF who played 10 seasons. Missed 1968 with an arm injury, oft injured
So should he go in?

He compares to Sandy Koufax in some ways.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...oufasa01.shtml

Kronos · 05-03-2016, 02:14 AM

Nope, he can go in the hall of very good before 30.

The Game · 05-03-2016, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kronos

Nope, he can go in the hall of very good before 30.

Vote please.

shipfb21 · 05-03-2016, 07:04 AM

i voted no. he did have 6 great seasons. i dont think a comparison to koufax is fair, because koufax retired while still a top player. i think the fact that jesus continued 2 play long after his prime really hurys his case. if he would have retired earlier due to injury, i would have voted yes because we would have been left wondering and predicting what his numbers would have looked like. since he remained pitching as a shell of himself, we can not just over look the 2nd half of his career. i think a better comparison would b to tim lincecum n ryan howard. both had 5-6 year runs of dominance but due to injury, the 2nd halves of theor careers have been terrible. neither one of those players sniff the hall of fame. in my opinion jesus burgos does not belong in the hall

Padreman · 05-03-2016, 08:39 AM

I was always told if you have ask or think about it then he's not a HOFmer

chucksabr · 05-03-2016, 09:42 AM

If he quit after 1970 he probably would have, since he would essentially have been Sandy Koufax.

chucksabr · 05-03-2016, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

I was always told if you have ask or think about it then he's not a HOFmer

Not everyone in the Hall has to be a slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer. There has to be a line somewhere and we'll always have to ask and think about the guys on that line.

Padreman · 05-03-2016, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chucksabr

Not everyone in the Hall has to be a slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer. There has to be a line somewhere and we'll always have to ask and think about the guys on that line.

Let's agree to disagree on this

Syd Thrift · 05-03-2016, 10:09 AM

I don't see why I'd want to discount him for trying to play for a few years instead of just hanging it up, so he gets my vote. Yeah, it's a short career, but it's a *really* good short career.

SaoMagnifico · 05-03-2016, 10:52 AM

I vote yes, since he was so dominant for 5-6 seasons, but he's more of a third- or fourth-balloter than a first-balloter, IMO.

Crimguy · 05-03-2016, 11:06 AM

162 wins doesn't do it for me.

chucksabr · 05-03-2016, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Let's agree to disagree on this

Darn, and I had a whole bunch of arguments and examples to throw at you!

The Game · 05-03-2016, 11:19 AM

I'll probably not vote for him in year 1, depends on who else is on the ballot. Here are some of the MCA winners of the 1960's. Bisuet will probably be a HOFer.

The Game · 05-03-2016, 11:24 AM

team stats

MrWideFrame · 05-03-2016, 11:59 AM

Yes, he was the most dominant pitcher of his era.

NoOne · 05-03-2016, 03:54 PM

looks like a hof to me... it's not his fault the team turned him into a reliever. either his ratings fell off a cliff, or he was a victim of circumstance of the game AI.

it's got to be relative to your league, though. e.g. i try to get the top 10% of players in the HoF. i let how the league plays out determine that line in the sand. his ERA+ is in the 150's, so i'd say he is safely in the top echelon of the league.

shipfb21 · 05-03-2016, 03:59 PM

after looking at his place in ur worlds baseball history, i change my vote. this guy is a sure fire hall of famer. hes a no doubt about it guy. showing us the career leaderboards really shines a new light on the vote. i will even go as far as saying if he wasnt injured he would have arguably been the greatest pitcher in ur world. with that said, i still put him top 3 or 5 ever in ur leagues history... previously i was looking at him relative to the mlb

deacon2817 · 05-03-2016, 04:41 PM

upon further review My vote is changing to a yes. as Shipfb21 said he is one of the best in your world. real world he is probably on the outside looking in but I think he gets in here.

actionjackson · 05-03-2016, 04:58 PM

A 155 ERA+ as a starting pitcher? Um yes, even though it's a very short career. He averaged 9.95 WAR over a six year span during which he led his league in WAR every year. That is pure domination.

jpeters1734 · 05-03-2016, 05:02 PM

Anytime you say dominated a decade, he gets in

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05-03-2016, 02:09 AM	#1
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	Is This Guy A HOFer? Jesus Burgos dominated the mid 60's like no other SP. 1962 ROTY 1964 AA Mike Christian Award 1966 MCA 1967 MCA 1969 MCA 7 time All Star 1970 World Champ. I dont think I have anyone who won this many awards not in the HOF who played 10 seasons. Missed 1968 with an arm injury, oft injured So should he go in? He compares to Sandy Koufax in some ways. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...oufasa01.shtml Attached Images __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong" Last edited by The Game; 05-03-2016 at 02:26 AM.

05-03-2016, 08:39 AM	#5
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05-03-2016, 09:42 AM	#6
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05-03-2016, 11:19 AM	#13
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	I'll probably not vote for him in year 1, depends on who else is on the ballot. Here are some of the MCA winners of the 1960's. Bisuet will probably be a HOFer. Attached Images __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

05-03-2016, 02:14 AM	#2
Kronos Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Northern Ky. Posts: 318	Nope, he can go in the hall of very good before 30.

05-03-2016, 07:04 AM	#4
shipfb21 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 118	i voted no. he did have 6 great seasons. i dont think a comparison to koufax is fair, because koufax retired while still a top player. i think the fact that jesus continued 2 play long after his prime really hurys his case. if he would have retired earlier due to injury, i would have voted yes because we would have been left wondering and predicting what his numbers would have looked like. since he remained pitching as a shell of himself, we can not just over look the 2nd half of his career. i think a better comparison would b to tim lincecum n ryan howard. both had 5-6 year runs of dominance but due to injury, the 2nd halves of theor careers have been terrible. neither one of those players sniff the hall of fame. in my opinion jesus burgos does not belong in the hall

05-03-2016, 10:52 AM	#10
SaoMagnifico Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 143	I vote yes, since he was so dominant for 5-6 seasons, but he's more of a third- or fourth-balloter than a first-balloter, IMO.

05-03-2016, 11:06 AM	#11
Crimguy Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cave Creek, AZ Posts: 271	162 wins doesn't do it for me.

05-03-2016, 11:24 AM	#14
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	team stats Attached Images __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

05-03-2016, 11:59 AM	#15
MrWideFrame Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 224	Yes, he was the most dominant pitcher of his era.

05-03-2016, 03:54 PM	#16
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,240	looks like a hof to me... it's not his fault the team turned him into a reliever. either his ratings fell off a cliff, or he was a victim of circumstance of the game AI. it's got to be relative to your league, though. e.g. i try to get the top 10% of players in the HoF. i let how the league plays out determine that line in the sand. his ERA+ is in the 150's, so i'd say he is safely in the top echelon of the league.

05-03-2016, 03:59 PM	#17
shipfb21 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 118	after looking at his place in ur worlds baseball history, i change my vote. this guy is a sure fire hall of famer. hes a no doubt about it guy. showing us the career leaderboards really shines a new light on the vote. i will even go as far as saying if he wasnt injured he would have arguably been the greatest pitcher in ur world. with that said, i still put him top 3 or 5 ever in ur leagues history... previously i was looking at him relative to the mlb

05-03-2016, 04:41 PM	#18
deacon2817 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Long Island N.Y. Posts: 196	upon further review My vote is changing to a yes. as Shipfb21 said he is one of the best in your world. real world he is probably on the outside looking in but I think he gets in here.

05-03-2016, 04:58 PM	#19
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,163	A 155 ERA+ as a starting pitcher? Um yes, even though it's a very short career. He averaged 9.95 WAR over a six year span during which he led his league in WAR every year. That is pure domination. Last edited by actionjackson; 05-03-2016 at 05:01 PM.

05-03-2016, 05:02 PM	#20
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