Fire The Manager Or The Superstar?

GoBucsGo · 03-26-2016, 05:57 AM

So, how do you guys handle a situation like this? I started a 2016 game with the Padres and somehow managed to get rid of all the dead weight on the team. Kemp, Ramirez, Upton, Shields, Cashner, etc.

In 2016 I also hired a new manager, Oliver Atteridge from Australia. I know it's bold and risky to hire a manager from down under with no MLB experience, but I liked what this guy had to offer.

We went 72-90 in 2016 with our depleted roster, and I went into 2017 with all the faith in the world in Oliver. Thank god I did, as we're vastly exceeding expectations and at the beginning of July we hold a 46-38 record, good for 3rd place in the new, 8 team NL West, a half game out of the final wildcard spot.

Here is where my dilemma lies. Wil Myers has turned into one of the best young players the game has to offer. 25 HR's by July 5th, while being on pace for 48 HR's and 129 RIbbies is pretty good.

I wanted to avoid arbitration and get him locked up to a long term deal to be the face of my franchise going forward, but he refuses to resign as long as my current manager is on board. What would you guys do? Stick with your guy? Or give into the selfish young superstar and fire your manager who's performing well above expectations?

kq76 · 03-26-2016, 06:05 AM

I like to do what I think I'd do in real life. I know it might sound crazy in this day and age, but if I like the job my manager is doing, I'm keeping him and trading the malcontent. If too many players have an issue with the manager, though, then I have to consider getting rid of him as obviously the players are tuning him out. It sounds like you like the job your manager is doing and Myers is the only who has a problem with him.

Matt Uk · 03-26-2016, 06:08 AM

Unless other players have a problem with your manager then I'd trade him. His report says he is a selfish player, so who's to say he's not going to like the next manager either? Also you might get more for him than down the line as perhaps this is just a flash in the pan year, probably not, but it could be.

Another thing to consider too is that if you fire your manager and hire a new one then other players may not like the new manager and you could end up with more problems.

BusterKing · 03-26-2016, 07:02 AM

Ahhh, a Patrick Roy situation. Trade the bastard. No player is bigger then the game.

Harry_BallSack · 03-26-2016, 07:04 AM

Trade the little schitt, and give him a nickname from the hometown fans that;; stick with him forever - like "Oliver's Lackey"

GoBucsGo · 03-26-2016, 07:06 AM

Thanks guys. As much as it pains me, I'll probably end up trading him at the deadline next season depending on our record.

monkeystyxx · 03-26-2016, 07:22 AM

Make sure the manager doesn't also have issues with half the team, but otherwise I'd definitely can Myers instead of Atteridge.

I mean, I doubt you're where you are purely because of Myers and it's not as if he plays in an irreplaceable position. If he was doing that at third base or shortstop it might be more difficult to decide, but a 1B? Pffft.

GoBucsGo · 03-26-2016, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeystyxx

Make sure the manager doesn't also have issues with half the team, but otherwise I'd definitely can Myers instead of Atteridge.

I mean, I doubt you're where you are purely because of Myers and it's not as if he plays in an irreplaceable position. If he was doing that at third base or shortstop it might be more difficult to decide, but a 1B? Pffft.

True, I do have Trey Mancini waiting in the wings. 4* potentil, similar hitting ratings. I guess I just got caught up in his gaudy numbers on the season.

Looking at my manager though, he seems to not get along with most of my veterans (Although Myers is the only one unwilling to resign, and isn't really a "veteran". But, this could develop into a problem in the next few years if the vets on my team don't get along with my manager. Another dilemma arises.

sprague · 03-26-2016, 07:41 AM

Since this thread has brought it up, does anyone have any idea why a manager has a good relationship with one player and not another.

Example. I was thinking of changing managers, as they had problems with a few players (not problem personality type people). So I went into available managers and checked a few. All would have poor relationships with most of the same players. Not one manager could have a good relationship with them.

So I am a bit stumped...any ideas what the secret behind it might be...if I want a manager who is liked by a few guys what it is one is looking for relationship wise...

kq76 · 03-26-2016, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprague

Since this thread has brought it up, does anyone have any idea why a manager has a good relationship with one player and not another.

Example. I was thinking of changing managers, as they had problems with a few players (not problem personality type people). So I went into available managers and checked a few. All would have poor relationships with most of the same players. Not one manager could have a good relationship with them.

So I am a bit stumped...any ideas what the secret behind it might be...if I want a manager who is liked by a few guys what it is one is looking for relationship wise...

Well, in GoBucsGo's case it sounds like his manager favours prospects over veterans. Check your manager's profile page to see what yours favours. Obviously when you're rebuilding with kids you probably want a manager who is more controlling to teach them everything they need to know, but once you have an older roster it might be time to consider a more laidback manager who lets the guys do their own thing.

Caporegime · 03-26-2016, 08:56 AM

I would sh*tcan the manager. Unless the guy's a tactical uber-genius, you can always replace him with some other cabbage head. Young superstars, however, are NOT so easy to replace.

psd · 03-26-2016, 09:18 AM

Trade the malcontent & send the very important message to your team that like him or not, the MANAGER is in charge of the team, not an entitled, whiny player no matter how good he is. You don't have to like him, but you will respect him. ( With a nod to Tony Soprano. Not the same quote, but close.)

tejdog1 · 03-26-2016, 09:58 AM

Wait, WHAT THE HELL? Where has THAT screen been hiding? Is that new for '17?

03-26-2016, 05:57 AM	#1
GoBucsGo Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 278 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	Fire The Manager Or The Superstar? So, how do you guys handle a situation like this? I started a 2016 game with the Padres and somehow managed to get rid of all the dead weight on the team. Kemp, Ramirez, Upton, Shields, Cashner, etc. In 2016 I also hired a new manager, Oliver Atteridge from Australia. I know it's bold and risky to hire a manager from down under with no MLB experience, but I liked what this guy had to offer. We went 72-90 in 2016 with our depleted roster, and I went into 2017 with all the faith in the world in Oliver. Thank god I did, as we're vastly exceeding expectations and at the beginning of July we hold a 46-38 record, good for 3rd place in the new, 8 team NL West, a half game out of the final wildcard spot. Here is where my dilemma lies. Wil Myers has turned into one of the best young players the game has to offer. 25 HR's by July 5th, while being on pace for 48 HR's and 129 RIbbies is pretty good. I wanted to avoid arbitration and get him locked up to a long term deal to be the face of my franchise going forward, but he refuses to resign as long as my current manager is on board. What would you guys do? Stick with your guy? Or give into the selfish young superstar and fire your manager who's performing well above expectations? Attached Images

03-26-2016, 06:05 AM	#2
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,089	I like to do what I think I'd do in real life. I know it might sound crazy in this day and age, but if I like the job my manager is doing, I'm keeping him and trading the malcontent. If too many players have an issue with the manager, though, then I have to consider getting rid of him as obviously the players are tuning him out. It sounds like you like the job your manager is doing and Myers is the only who has a problem with him. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

03-26-2016, 07:04 AM	#5
Harry_BallSack Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Was NJ, Then FL, Then IL, Then VA, Now Natick, MA ! Posts: 241	Trade the little schitt, and give him a nickname from the hometown fans that;; stick with him forever - like "Oliver's Lackey" __________________ Playing Sim ball since Microleague Baseball on my C64 in Highschool, Then Front Page Sports (some Earl Weaver on the Amiga in there as well) and finally made the shift to OOTP around version 2. Been here ever since The Original Atlantic City Gambler and Daytona Beach Fatboy Owner.

03-26-2016, 08:56 AM	#11
Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,713	I would shtcan the manager. Unless the guy's a tactical uber-genius, you can always replace him with some other cabbage head. Young superstars, however, are NOT so easy to replace. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else."* - Lawrence Peter Berra

03-26-2016, 09:18 AM	#12
psd Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: UConn Territory Posts: 464	Trade the malcontent & send the very important message to your team that like him or not, the MANAGER is in charge of the team, not an entitled, whiny player no matter how good he is. You don't have to like him, but you will respect him. ( With a nod to Tony Soprano. Not the same quote, but close.) Last edited by psd; 03-26-2016 at 09:22 AM.

03-26-2016, 06:08 AM	#3
Matt Uk Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK Posts: 450	Unless other players have a problem with your manager then I'd trade him. His report says he is a selfish player, so who's to say he's not going to like the next manager either? Also you might get more for him than down the line as perhaps this is just a flash in the pan year, probably not, but it could be. Another thing to consider too is that if you fire your manager and hire a new one then other players may not like the new manager and you could end up with more problems.

03-26-2016, 07:02 AM	#4
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,436	Ahhh, a Patrick Roy situation. Trade the bastard. No player is bigger then the game.

03-26-2016, 07:06 AM	#6
GoBucsGo Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 278 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	Thanks guys. As much as it pains me, I'll probably end up trading him at the deadline next season depending on our record.

03-26-2016, 07:22 AM	#7
monkeystyxx Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 293	Make sure the manager doesn't also have issues with half the team, but otherwise I'd definitely can Myers instead of Atteridge. I mean, I doubt you're where you are purely because of Myers and it's not as if he plays in an irreplaceable position. If he was doing that at third base or shortstop it might be more difficult to decide, but a 1B? Pffft.

03-26-2016, 07:41 AM	#9
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,949	Since this thread has brought it up, does anyone have any idea why a manager has a good relationship with one player and not another. Example. I was thinking of changing managers, as they had problems with a few players (not problem personality type people). So I went into available managers and checked a few. All would have poor relationships with most of the same players. Not one manager could have a good relationship with them. So I am a bit stumped...any ideas what the secret behind it might be...if I want a manager who is liked by a few guys what it is one is looking for relationship wise...

03-26-2016, 09:58 AM	#13
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,654	Wait, WHAT THE HELL? Where has THAT screen been hiding? Is that new for '17? __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade